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 illegear z5 discussion thread, anything and everything about the beast

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miong93
post Apr 14 2015, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud2322 @ Apr 14 2015, 02:57 PM)
I compared between afternshock and illegear before purchasing.. 5k I could get a gtx 970m 15.6" laptop with Illegear, if about the same package with aftershock its about 10% more expensive.

But if we compare S-15 and S5 then s-15 from aftershock is slightly cheaper.
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Isn't S15 is also using gtx970m ? hmm.gif

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post Apr 14 2015, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud2322 @ Apr 14 2015, 06:47 PM)
Yeap, that's why I compare them since they are in the same range.. Playing GTA v right now with 60fps on my z5 smile.gif gpu at 65C

But 3gb ram of GPU is not enough to play gta v at it's max performance. yawn.gif
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Your gpu is gtx970m right ? No choice though, cause 6gb vram gtx970m variant can't fit into Z5.

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post Apr 16 2015, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(christ14 @ Apr 16 2015, 07:12 PM)
can know  more regarding the paste? 1.5 years under heavy load 80%> of the time or how is the lifespan of the thermal paste measured?

i mean is therre any indicator like getting more hot than usual or unbearable to some point??
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I think when you realize you Z5 is not as cool as before then you should perform dust cleaning, then if it is still about the same, time to reapply thermal paste.
Normally my friend reapply the paste every 6 months. He is a hardcore gamer. So you may take longer tho.
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post Apr 16 2015, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(soong96 @ Apr 16 2015, 09:51 PM)
May I ask what is the four small screws in the z5 box for??
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Spare screw I believe. In you lose any screw when you open your back cover
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post Apr 17 2015, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(christ14 @ Apr 16 2015, 10:27 PM)
is it??

this info changes how i will store the beast in the bag then
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QUOTE(christ14 @ Apr 17 2015, 01:21 PM)
i got proposal

why not this group make a whatsapp/telegram/wechat/or whatever apps. can communicate easier tongue.gif
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I think we just need to be careful when we're removing the back cover. Same as for every other laptop. Because it may break if we apply force in the wrong way.
I suggest remain in this thread is enough. If it is a whatsapp group it will be very noisy. Just stick to it so next time people can find resource much faster than a whatsapp group smile.gif

QUOTE(fr3eze @ Apr 16 2015, 11:00 PM)
anyone using Illegear professional color calibration? I applied the custom profile after using the original color profile for a week and found the custom profile give me a warmer color tone.

Btw, I got the infamous BSOD within 1st month, while leisurely watching youtube on chrome.
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The color is warmer, same as mine too. I didn't use their color calibration, I prefer mine better. haha
For the BSOD, can you tell us what is your BSOD error code ?

QUOTE(angel-girl @ Apr 17 2015, 10:02 AM)
eh just realised moderator deleted the *ehem* GTA links  brows.gif
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post Apr 17 2015, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 17 2015, 02:42 PM)
can someone please explain what exactly are the differences between the illegear z5 and the acer aspire v15 nitro black edition ?
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=73976060

they seem to be priced similarly, and both their specs seem roughly the same and quite impressive at that price point.

i know more about the nitro, but not so much about illegear.
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Z5 (gtx860m):
- sub-woofer
- best cooling among all gtx860m laptops (69 degree C max after 2hours+ of COD AW, BF4 gaming, personal experience)
- 4gb vram
- more expensive (if you include OS + 1TB HDD)
- 8gb ram only (the first version of acer v nitro is with 12gb ram)

The new variant (gtx960m) is also about the same.

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post Apr 17 2015, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 17 2015, 03:19 PM)
i'm not sure if my acer comes with woofer or not but i like the audio quality so far. z5 could possibly be better though not sure.

i think goldfries did a benchmark, and he found the temp to be below 70 ish C. so i think this area is more or less same, though i heard z5 has 3 heatpipes ? rather than 2 that acer has.

my acer model uses 860m 2gb. but the more expensive rm4.1k model has 4gb vram 860m, not to mention 16gb ddr3 ram.
I'm curious though how much is the Z5 with the specs you mentioned ? with OS + SSD, with OS + SSD + 1tb HD, no OS + the other HDD options mentioned.

because i'm wondering whether the Z5 is a strong contender in the Rm 3xxx price bracket that i see the Acer V15 Nitro Black Edition dominates, or whether it's only for RM 4.1k + bracket  where Acer Aspire nitro v15 nitro black edition VN7-591G-72K6  is currently at (this is the newer variant with the specs closest to the Z5 i mentioned) hmm.gif

I think the Z5 definitely has a slightly better gpu (for the basic version of course. the higher variants is totally different story), but whether it comes with SSD+HDD combo at same price point as the Nitro is what i don't know, so trying to investigate  smile.gif
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Benchmark is not actual gaming experience. Well Acer V Nitro gaming temperature is about 70-85 degree C. You can search through Acer V Nitro thread and have a look there. Most Acer user is getting that temperature. The 69 degree maximum I get is from actual gaming. I find it the best compared to others gtx860m laptops. So far I still can't find any laptop to top it up yet.

Acer V Nitro is targeting budget range, even though Z5 and Acer is using the same gpu and cpu, you can't really compare it together. Spec and price ratio wise, Acer definitely win over Z5 smile.gif But when it comes to after sales service, ILLEGEAR will win in this round. Last time I got my Z5 with 1TB 7200rpm HDD + AC wifi card + IPS screen < RM4k. I purchased a DOS version as I already have windows key.

FYI, Acer doesn't comes with SSD by default. It does comes with SSHD (1TB 5400rpm HDD + 8gb cache). I found it useless to have an SSHD cause once I got SSD, it will be totally useless (not to mention it is slower compared to 7200rpm)
Z5 is using mSata interface for SSD while Acer V Nitro is using m2 interface. m2 SSD cost way more than mSata SSD. Performance wise it is about the same (except m2 PCIE interface)

During that time (gtx860m era), Acer is more preferred because it is way cheaper. Z5 is also in RM3k range, but it is more expensive. Both have pros and cons, just a matter how you feel for it.

P.S: Even tho I prefer Acer V Nitro, but I still think Z5 is better than Acer V Nitro. Thermal management is a big issue for me, which in this case Z5 is better.
P.S.S: I also tried Far Cry 4 with medium settings 1080p (yes, i get pathetic fps, but I want the eye candy sweat.gif) After 2 hours++ of playing, the machine still doesn't hit 70 degree.
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post Apr 17 2015, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Apr 17 2015, 04:14 PM)
All the reading and research points to temperature and man handling the battery or basically having a bad battery (Li Ion case). Like exploding Iphones Samsungs etc (Might have started fan wars..... sweat.gif ). As far as i know Li Ion requires a circuit to avoid it being over charged and discharged until too low (Cant seem to find better words to describe....  sweat.gif ). Don't think having it plug in all the time is a problem unless you are gaming and that will amp up the heat which will reduce the battery life span. Other than that, it is up to you whether to take it out or not.
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To be honest, there is no need to worry about battery life in this case. The machine is built with mechanism to stop the charging when it is above certain percentage. Some time you can't see the changes of UI but I think it had stopped charging. A lot of laptop is using integrated battery to reduce spaces. Ultrabook, most gaming laptop, convention laptop is approaching this way (except high end model and business grade)
Even you leave your battery out for few months without using it, it will die eventually.
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post Apr 17 2015, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 17 2015, 04:30 PM)
oh wait your right. reading closer

http://www.goldfries.com/hardware-reviews/...ebook-review/2/
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=71739114
So if your saying illgear can 71 degrees celcius under the same conditions, then that is definitely impressive. But that said even goldfries said he didn't notice any issues  hmm.gif  so does it matter much ? i wonder if changing the thermal paste is a must or not.
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i'm deeply offended morpheus  vmad.gif
J/k lelz  biggrin.gif  I get to learn new things. As long at the end of the day we learn something new, it's all good  nod.gif
didn't know this. guess we are screwed one way or another  sweat.gif
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Those temperature is way too high for me. Personally, if the temperature of cpu / gpu heat up to 90 degree, even though you can't feel the temperature by your hand, I think it will still reduce your component lifespan. Your laptop won't last long if it is very hot for long term. Diablo 3 is not really a high demanding game. I can max everything in ultra and play it in 1080p and still manage to get pass 60fps mark. You should try play games like Watch Dogs, Far Crys or Crysis. Those are high demanding game which require a lot of gpu power.
You can try to reapply a different thermal paste, but you need to ask your service center whether it is allowed or not. Since changing stuff which is not by the factory or manufacturer may void your warranty.
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post Apr 17 2015, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(bananalow @ Apr 17 2015, 04:40 PM)
May I know how to off the screen without sleep/hibernate the laptop? Can't find the shortcut key.. XD
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Fn + 0 brows.gif
Arvinaaaaa I think you should sticky the shortcut/marco key in the first page so every Z5 user can refer to it biggrin.gif

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post Apr 17 2015, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Apr 17 2015, 04:46 PM)
WAIT WHAT?!?!?! YOU ARE ABLE TO DO THIS!?!?!?!?!!? FML!!!!! cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Wait.. what ? you dono ? hahaha
Well since we Z5 user doesn't have a very good fancy UI control center to manage all fan, screen settings stuff, we get a macro key to utilize those settings smile.gif
FN + 0 => Dim Screen
FN + 1 => Max fan speed
FN + 9 => On/Off Intel Turbo Boost
FN + Esc => On/Off touch pad
Others fn keys is pretty much self explanatory from the keyboard itself.

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post Apr 17 2015, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 17 2015, 04:55 PM)
unlike the acer, can the FN key also turn off the keyboard lighting ?  hmm.gif
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Z5 got 2 marco to switch off the backlid.
- FN + spacebar => Adjust brightness of keyboard backlid light (Off / Normal / Brightest)
- There is a button beside the M1,M2,M3,M4 macro keys, pressing that button will turn off the backlid of the macro keys
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post Apr 17 2015, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(randytsx @ Apr 17 2015, 05:26 PM)
Speaking of "User Defined Key", Fn + 8 doesn't seem to do anything, so why is it that M2 is set to Fn + 8 by default?
It's flimsy but any pane that can be removed easily is a good pane!
Btw, there's an option to "Enable USB charging" in the BIOS setup. What does that mean and how do I make use of that?
Fn + 0 to toggle the screen on and off. Or, if you have the "User Defined Key" installed, by its default configuration, it's set to M4 which is just a shortcut for Fn + 0.
Fn + F4 to dim screen. Fn + 0 to toggle on/off.

I wonder what does Fn + 8 do?
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I think it just simply put a default macro for you. I set speaker volume UP and DOWN, brightness UP and DOWN for those 4 macro key. As I'm using these 4 very frequently. It is up to user to set what they want. No need to be so specific sweat.gif
I apologize for not being clear. It should be On/Off display instead of Dim.

QUOTE(fr3eze @ Apr 17 2015, 05:28 PM)
ya and IMO i think the original profile looks more accurate than the calibrated profile. Luckily i got the calibration as freebies else would cry  sweat.gif
I dint take note of the BSOD code btw, restarted straight way.
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Download BlueScreenView. It will give the details of the BSOD you encountered. (subjected to it has a dump file generated)

QUOTE(angel-girl @ Apr 17 2015, 05:44 PM)
already installed.it comes with the cd isnt it?
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There is an updated version. Pm Prince J to ask for the download link smile.gif
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post Apr 17 2015, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(christ14 @ Apr 17 2015, 06:02 PM)
is there indication the intel boost is on or off? cuz sometime i mis press and not so sure after that
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If you didn't do anything to the BIOS, it will be switched on by default once you turn on your laptop. And if you installed the driver correctly, after your windows is completely booted up, when you toggle the Intel Turbo Boost, it will display a UI to tell you it is currently On or Off. But sadly no straight forward indicator. So no choice but to press FN+9 again to see it is on or off.
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post Apr 18 2015, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(Cloud2322 @ Apr 18 2015, 02:05 AM)
urm.. my mSATA crucial m550 256 is constantly at 65-70C.. If game its around 73C..

Is this consider normal? and is there anyway I can reduce the heat? Prince J Please help me
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May I know which slot you installed your SSD ?

QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 18 2015, 02:13 AM)
i thought ssd is suppose to be low power. so how exactly it get that hot ?  hmm.gif
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SSD will be cooler, only when you doesn't put it near any component which will generate much heat. I think he is still using HDD and add in SSD.
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post Apr 18 2015, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(Eyuna3 @ Apr 18 2015, 11:49 AM)
Mine one same like brian and get frm illegear.
Normally the temperature will be 50-56, during gaming can up to 65-71
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Wow.. I didn't know it will be that temperature. You guys still using the HDD right ? HDD + SSD combo.
How much is your HDD temperature ?
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post Apr 18 2015, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 18 2015, 01:06 PM)
rm 4399 does that come with a ssd ?  hmm.gif
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That is the price they estimated for the S5 series on previous year, 2014.
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post Apr 18 2015, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(Eyuna3 @ Apr 18 2015, 01:55 PM)
Temperature of HHD is around 40-56
FYI I'm using HHD plus SSD combo
And referring to crucial official website. For those Temperature more than 60 is not good
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Yea. For me SSD which goes beyond 60 is not good. It should be around 30-50 or probably lower. I think maybe it is due to the closeness of the SSD and HDD ? hmm.gif
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post Apr 18 2015, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud2322 @ Apr 18 2015, 10:20 PM)
Have anyone face the issue of sudden disconnection from wifi and unable to connect back? RealTek wifi card
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I think most of us are using the AC card
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post Apr 18 2015, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(xarive @ Apr 18 2015, 11:13 PM)
Anyone have other touchpad driver? Alps driver feels like stuttering while scrolling or it's just me being too sensitive?
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The default driver which comes with the CD works fine for me. Very smooth, no shuttering issue. Try reinstalling the driver ?

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