can someone please explain what exactly are the differences between the illegear z5 and the acer aspire v15 nitro black edition ?
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=73976060

they seem to be priced similarly, and both their specs seem roughly the same and quite impressive at that price point.

i know more about the nitro, but not so much about illegear.



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Apr 17 2015, 02:43 PM

Z5 (gtx860m):
- sub-woofer
- best cooling among all gtx860m laptops (69 degree C max after 2hours+ of COD AW, BF4 gaming, personal experience)
- 4gb vram
- more expensive (if you include OS + 1TB HDD)
- 8gb ram only (the first version of acer v nitro is with 12gb ram)

The new variant (gtx960m) is also about the same.

This post has been edited by miong93: Apr 17 2015, 03:06 PM

i'm not sure if my acer comes with woofer or not but i like the audio quality so far. z5 could possibly be better though not sure.

i think goldfries did a benchmark, and he found the temp to be below 70 ish C. so i think this area is more or less same, though i heard z5 has 3 heatpipes ? rather than 2 that acer has.

my acer model uses 860m 2gb. but the more expensive rm4.1k model has 4gb vram 860m, not to mention 16gb ddr3 ram.



I'm curious though how much is the Z5 with the specs you mentioned ? with OS + SSD, with OS + SSD + 1tb HD, no OS + the other HDD options mentioned.

because i'm wondering whether the Z5 is a strong contender in the Rm 3xxx price bracket that i see the Acer V15 Nitro Black Edition dominates, or whether it's only for RM 4.1k + bracket where Acer Aspire nitro v15 nitro black edition VN7-591G-72K6 is currently at (this is the newer variant with the specs closest to the Z5 i mentioned)

I think the Z5 definitely has a slightly better gpu (for the basic version of course. the higher variants is totally different story), but whether it comes with SSD+HDD combo at same price point as the Nitro is what i don't know, so trying to investigate


*update
This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Apr 17 2015, 03:53 PM

how big is acer nitro battery?
z5 is 8 cell battery right?

hi Mingxun,

Yes its a 8 cell battery.

This post has been edited by Adil@ILLEGEAR: Apr 17 2015, 03:52 PM

yeah but that is in the RM 4xxx bracket so definitely both are out of my budget xd.

I bought a few days ago the Acer Aspire v15 nitro vn7-591g-744n (black edition) for Rm 3700 with the following specs

regarding the battery, it's integrated into the laptop. My old laptop can easily pop out battery by pressing the button (was an asus laptop). Sadly the acer does not have this convenience. So letting better charge 100% wears it down faster. And taking out plug until it drains to plug it back in at 10% is annoying to do. But honestly if the battery died i wouldn't care. I use my laptop plugged in anyway.

On the spec sheet on my laptop box it says the batter is a 3 cell li-ion battery thats all i know I doubt the battery is the strong point anyway for this Acer laptop, but for those of us who use the power plug it wasn't really an issue to begin with.

is the Z5 batter easily removable ?



just wondered if the Illegear Z5 has something better at this price point or not, or whether it's only competing directly in the Rm4k bracket against the Nitro's V15 black edition's higher spec offering

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Apr 17 2015, 03:52 PM

thx

acer v nitro only got 3 cell? then it got how long battery life? battery is important man if plugged in why not get desktop?

double post lel

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Apr 17 2015, 04:07 PM

i got both

i think even starbuck got power outlet.

i guess depends on the user whether they are very mobile (no power outlets normally available) or not (like me just plug in). So buy accordingly

Actually, Li Ion battery prefers to be charged as soon as possible and doesn't really do well with deep discharged and charges as it would spoil it much faster. Now a days the problem to battery spoil is the heat that it is exposed to.

so is the best option to take out battery and just use power plug ? (for those of us not really mobile and always near to a power oulet). this doesn't seem to be an option for the acer.

So better just leave the power plug in and let it 100% rather than discharge to 10% then plug in again ? Thx for the tip

haha charger very heavy one mah, i play dota 2 outside with battery and go back hostel only charge.

All the reading and research points to temperature and man handling the battery or basically having a bad battery (Li Ion case). Like exploding Iphones Samsungs etc (Might have started fan wars..... ). As far as i know Li Ion requires a circuit to avoid it being over charged and discharged until too low (Cant seem to find better words to describe.... ). Don't think having it plug in all the time is a problem unless you are gaming and that will amp up the heat which will reduce the battery life span. Other than that, it is up to you whether to take it out or not.

Benchmark is not actual gaming experience. Well Acer V Nitro gaming temperature is about 70-85 degree C. You can search through Acer V Nitro thread and have a look there. Most Acer user is getting that temperature. The 69 degree maximum I get is from actual gaming. I find it the best compared to others gtx860m laptops. So far I still can't find any laptop to top it up yet.

Acer V Nitro is targeting budget range, even though Z5 and Acer is using the same gpu and cpu, you can't really compare it together. Spec and price ratio wise, Acer definitely win over Z5 But when it comes to after sales service, ILLEGEAR will win in this round. Last time I got my Z5 with 1TB 7200rpm HDD + AC wifi card + IPS screen < RM4k. I purchased a DOS version as I already have windows key.

FYI, Acer doesn't comes with SSD by default. It does comes with SSHD (1TB 5400rpm HDD + 8gb cache). I found it useless to have an SSHD cause once I got SSD, it will be totally useless (not to mention it is slower compared to 7200rpm)
Z5 is using mSata interface for SSD while Acer V Nitro is using m2 interface. m2 SSD cost way more than mSata SSD. Performance wise it is about the same (except m2 PCIE interface)

During that time (gtx860m era), Acer is more preferred because it is way cheaper. Z5 is also in RM3k range, but it is more expensive. Both have pros and cons, just a matter how you feel for it.

P.S: Even tho I prefer Acer V Nitro, but I still think Z5 is better than Acer V Nitro. Thermal management is a big issue for me, which in this case Z5 is better.
P.S.S: I also tried Far Cry 4 with medium settings 1080p (yes, i get pathetic fps, but I want the eye candy ) After 2 hours++ of playing, the machine still doesn't hit 70 degree.

To be honest, there is no need to worry about battery life in this case. The machine is built with mechanism to stop the charging when it is above certain percentage. Some time you can't see the changes of UI but I think it had stopped charging. A lot of laptop is using integrated battery to reduce spaces. Ultrabook, most gaming laptop, convention laptop is approaching this way (except high end model and business grade)
Even you leave your battery out for few months without using it, it will die eventually.

Of course, it will discharged due to internal resistance and leakage. I'm just trying to change people view about Li Ion batteries as compared to the old nickel based battery. Hopefully, i didn't offend anyone....

oh wait your right. reading closer

http://www.goldfries.com/hardware-reviews/...ebook-review/2/



https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=71739114


So if your saying illgear can 71 degrees celcius under the same conditions, then that is definitely impressive. But that said even goldfries said he didn't notice any issues so does it matter much ? i wonder if changing the thermal paste is a must or not.




i'm deeply offended morpheus


J/k lelz I get to learn new things. As long at the end of the day we learn something new, it's all good



didn't know this. guess we are screwed one way or another



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Apr 17 2015, 04:36 PM

Those temperature is way too high for me. Personally, if the temperature of cpu / gpu heat up to 90 degree, even though you can't feel the temperature by your hand, I think it will still reduce your component lifespan. Your laptop won't last long if it is very hot for long term. Diablo 3 is not really a high demanding game. I can max everything in ultra and play it in 1080p and still manage to get pass 60fps mark. You should try play games like Watch Dogs, Far Crys or Crysis. Those are high demanding game which require a lot of gpu power.
You can try to reapply a different thermal paste, but you need to ask your service center whether it is allowed or not. Since changing stuff which is not by the factory or manufacturer may void your warranty.

May I know how to off the screen without sleep/hibernate the laptop? Can't find the shortcut key.. XD

This post has been edited by bananalow: Apr 17 2015, 04:40 PM

Fn + 0
Arvinaaaaa I think you should sticky the shortcut/marco key in the first page so every Z5 user can refer to it

This post has been edited by miong93: Apr 17 2015, 04:44 PM