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post Dec 2 2014, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Dec 2 2014, 09:58 AM)
Hi all, it's been sometimes I never comment anything here. Today I come to ask about below abit.

Stress & self control.
Its all about myself, I will try to shorten the questionissue.

Everytime when I had some stress on my working issue, I feel so stress because I feel unsatisfied with someone at work and I can't do anything to make it better but only option is endure else quit the job once and for all.

Lucky me, I still have third option which is pray, ask and have faith. Every time I pray after stressed or before, holy spirit always remind me not to worry, endure and I'm not alone.

Worst part happened, I not able to control myself calmly when the stressed hit on me. Sometimes I might slap my dog, little chicks when they don't behave, ok on this part truly not their problems because they are animals and problems belongs to me. I might raise my voice with other and the way I talked was harsh.

Today happened again, I started to feel some fear feelings inside me. Just because I had some new instructions from company and some worker did not attend the work, here come my stress again.

Reason sharing this, wants to let anyone that having same problems like me. Please do not hesitate to ask for help from God, friends or family before u done anything bad and hard to come back when decision made at the wrong timing. I CAN CONFIRM, doing the same things like me are wrong and making decisions at stress time are NOT the good time and always wil fall into something u do not wants it.

Any advice so I can handle it better?
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Hi Drake, long time no see.

Are you the manager or just colleagues of this someone at work?
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post Dec 2 2014, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 2 2014, 11:55 AM)
Hi Drake, long time no see.

Are you the manager or just colleagues of this someone at work?
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Hi UW, long time no see.

I'm the Great General Manager aka "one leg kick" of this company. For ur info, this is some china man company (related to family members), so everything trying so hard to follow system but in this end no one will follow because they think the company don't have them will not survive which is "partially" true.

I can't mention the nature of business but surely it's not illegal work. Those work man are Islander aka solomon islander, company had use their work force because they are local and they have tribe power to control area so company can run businesses within it.

I do believe someday might have other to replace them and it's my only hope now. It's quite challenging at this time and I can't give them harsh word else they will do something I do not wants.

That's why endure is my only choice at the moment. Unless u guys got something better, at least a little better and I do appreciate it. haha..
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post Dec 2 2014, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 2 2014, 11:05 AM)
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If you believe God is in control, that all things are possible for Him, there are always other ways to do things without resorting to what is sinful.
(Remember the song, God will make a way, when there seem to be no way?)

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The idea when i say GOD's in control, it's not about telling GOD sorry i cannot bribe because it's sin, but to acknowledge that HS can give you permission in case we have to bribe to make sure our project completed.

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 2 2014, 11:05 AM)

If you say Bribery is no longer wrong, then by the same logic, I can also say lying, murdering is not wrong either. Our Christian fundamental collapse.

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finally... somebody gets the whole context biggrin.gif ... your logic above and my logic above are 100% identical.

you bribe, government catch you, go to jail. government is ordained by GOD.
you lying, you lost your reputation. i personally don't want to befriended somebody who cheated me.
you murder, you go to jail, people will try to murder you back.

bible said everything will be shaken and only GOD cannot be shaken right ?
its obvious that our christian fundamental also will be shaken, cuz only GOD is not shaken.

People are driven to have relationship to GOD, instead of feel save on the Christian fundamentals. Many Churches cannot solve world problem right ? because their mindset is still bound about "christian fundamental", instead of coming into GOD's presence and do HIS father will.

i don't know how to write properly, but in short

When only GOD cannot be shaken, HIS word, power of dunamis, will protect HIS people to do anything necessary to acomplish not Christian fundamental, but to accomplish what HE wants. Not christian fundamental.
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post Dec 2 2014, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Dec 2 2014, 12:48 PM)
Hi UW, long time no see.

I'm the Great General Manager aka "one leg kick" of this company. For ur info, this is some china man company (related to family members), so everything trying so hard to follow system but in this end no one will follow because they think the company don't have them will not survive which is "partially"  true.

I can't mention the nature of business but surely it's not illegal work. Those work man are Islander aka solomon islander, company had use their work force because they are local and they have tribe power to control area so company can run businesses within it.

I do believe someday might have other to replace them and it's my only hope now. It's quite challenging at this time and I can't give them harsh word else they will do something I do not wants.

That's why endure is my only choice at the moment. Unless u guys got something better, at least a little better and I do appreciate it.  haha..
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What I do is, I always pray for my work place even though it's in a church. Everyday I pray for God's favor, blessing and protection.
Different day, different challenges but I pray everyday, 99.5% without fail throughout the year.

I live by the virtue of faith in God, that He will help me in my life and even work place.

I don't pray only when there's a problem, I prefer to get ready ahead before anything.

It has work for me, I'm sure it can for you too, You can try it.

I think the way to change people is to first connect with them, motivate them and give them hope, rather than intimidating.
Sometime we need to enforce authority & discipline if necessary.
Causing worker to constantly fear the manager will cause them to hate you in the long run.

I think you already know all these anyway.

That's just my opinion from manager POV.


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post Dec 2 2014, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 2 2014, 02:05 PM)
What I do is, I always pray for my work place even though it's in a church. Everyday I pray for God's favor, blessing and protection.
Different day, different challenges but I pray everyday, 99.5% without fail throughout the year.

I live by the virtue of faith in God,  that He will help me in my life and even work place.

I don't pray only when there's a problem, I prefer to get ready ahead before anything.

It has work for me, I'm sure it can for you too, You can try it.

I think the way to change people is to first connect with them, motivate them and give them hope, rather than intimidating.
Sometime we need to enforce authority & discipline if necessary.
Causing worker to constantly fear the manager  will cause them to hate you in the long run.

I think you already know all these anyway.

That's just my opinion from manager POV.
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This is good as long as you feel good from the placebo effects. But if it is a serious problem or sickness, dont rely on it. I explained about placebo effects in a thread in RWI in case you are interested to know more.
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post Dec 2 2014, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 2 2014, 02:05 PM)
What I do is, I always pray for my work place even though it's in a church. Everyday I pray for God's favor, blessing and protection.
Different day, different challenges but I pray everyday, 99.5% without fail throughout the year.

I live by the virtue of faith in God,  that He will help me in my life and even work place.

I don't pray only when there's a problem, I prefer to get ready ahead before anything.

It has work for me, I'm sure it can for you too, You can try it.

I think the way to change people is to first connect with them, motivate them and give them hope, rather than intimidating.
Sometime we need to enforce authority & discipline if necessary.
Causing worker to constantly fear the manager  will cause them to hate you in the long run.

I think you already know all these anyway.

That's just my opinion from manager POV.
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This is good as long as you feel good from the placebo effects. But if it is a serious problem or sickness, dont rely on it. I explained about placebo effects in a thread in RWI in case you are interested to know more.
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post Dec 2 2014, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 2 2014, 12:55 PM)
The idea when i say GOD's in control, it's not about telling GOD sorry i cannot bribe because it's sin, but to acknowledge that HS can give you permission in case we have to bribe to make sure our project completed.
finally... somebody gets the whole context biggrin.gif ... your logic above and my logic above are 100% identical.

you bribe, government catch you, go to jail. government is ordained by GOD.
you lying, you lost your reputation. i personally don't want to befriended somebody who cheated me.
you murder, you go to jail, people will try to murder you back.

bible said everything will be shaken and only GOD cannot be shaken right ?
its obvious that our christian fundamental also will be shaken, cuz only GOD is not shaken.

People are driven to have relationship to GOD, instead of feel save on the Christian fundamentals. Many Churches cannot solve world problem right ? because their mindset is still bound about "christian fundamental", instead of coming into GOD's presence and do HIS father will.

i don't know how to write properly, but in short

When only GOD cannot be shaken, HIS word, power of dunamis, will protect HIS people to do anything necessary to acomplish not Christian fundamental, but to accomplish what HE wants. Not christian fundamental.
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Bro, all that you've said about asking God permission to do something sinful to achieve whatever end, is not taught in the Bible.
The Bible is Christian fundamental.

You keep using 2 phrases:

1. All things permissible
2. Everything will be shaken.

But do you understand the meaning behind it?
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post Dec 2 2014, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Dec 2 2014, 10:12 AM)
It appears that you have made your choice. No, you're not stuck, just need more people to talk to you about this, or more importantly, to God about this.

The choice I've made was that I started using lies as paintings, as an artist would do in order to tell the truth. While there are also many truths that can be told, the LIE people tell themselves is that they cannot take it.

There are many people here would like to help you, anna, but remember to try to seek wisdom as a whole.

To sum it up, I am not telling you to go tell lies.

I'm telling you if you cannot tell a lie, you will eventually stop. This is the main reason why I've stopped being a salesperson, and went on with other jobs instead. However, by having the experience on how to lie to people, I've discovered the truth about people as well.

And henceforth, I am beginning to accept LIES as a part of my reality and life, and I am learning how to be able to tell from good to bad, from lies to the truth. This does not means I like to lie, but the truth is that many expect you to lie. If the truth is that one desires lies, than it may no longer be the truth if you were to reveal the truth to these people. They snap. The lies...have become their truth of life. This may means that you may not be allowed to completely honest to people you aren't close with, but seek wisdom among all of these. And yes, talk to God.

But hey, I stopped being a salesperson because of the very same question I had.

"Your father said artists use lies to tell the truth. But because you believed in it, you find something true about yourself."

Even right now I am not being completely honest with you, anna. I cannot, because you must first understand the "lies" are no necessarily "false".
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I don't see how that it must be "resorting to lies" as the only way to close a deal.

I think telling the truth is just as compelling because generally I feel people wants to know about the truth as much before buying a product.

Sometime it's alright to say No, this product can't do this or that or it doesn't have such functions.
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post Dec 2 2014, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 2 2014, 02:05 PM)
What I do is, I always pray for my work place even though it's in a church. Everyday I pray for God's favor, blessing and protection.
Different day, different challenges but I pray everyday, 99.5% without fail throughout the year.

I live by the virtue of faith in God,  that He will help me in my life and even work place.

I don't pray only when there's a problem, I prefer to get ready ahead before anything.

It has work for me, I'm sure it can for you too, You can try it.

I think the way to change people is to first connect with them, motivate them and give them hope, rather than intimidating.
Sometime we need to enforce authority & discipline if necessary.
Causing worker to constantly fear the manager  will cause them to hate you in the long run.

I think you already know all these anyway.

That's just my opinion from manager POV.
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Even u think I knows it but it did not appears in my mind or my to do list these days. Must be missing somewhere in my brain. Lucky u remind me, ur advice are simple and effective. Only needs to do it. Looks simple and always hardest to complete the simplest things when we think it's simple. I will put ur replies in my notes and auto reminder every morning wake up to do.

I must do it else I will end up the same problem appears and same old solution yet not effective enough. At least the advice u shared to me is good and I agree to it.
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post Dec 2 2014, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 2 2014, 11:05 AM)
I don't think the Holy Spirit will ever lead a believer to do something that is of sin, even though the intention is to save another person's life.

If you believe God is in control, that all things are possible for Him, there are always other ways to do things without resorting to what is sinful.
(Remember the song, God will make a way, when there seem to be no way?)

God could have moved that officer (doesn't matter how stubborn, remember Pharaoh vs Moses?) without the need for that Pastor Bill to resort to bribe, Am I not right?
Unless you're telling me, God cannot move him and money is the only solution, then by that logic, God is not in control. Try and think about it.

I don't find any scriptural evidence that tells us, the HS will guide us to do something that is sinful. Not one.

Our Christian fundamental must be established in the core of the word of God, the Bible.
If God contradicts himself, He is no longer truth. It will be meaningless to say Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

If you quote that to unbelievers and they see you doing something sinful and you tell them because of grace, you can do anything (everything is permissible), even saying the HS advise you so,
it will be quite easy for them to say you're a hypocrite and so is God.

Where then is your justification? Because you must remember, all things is permissible for a non believers too. What difference is there between you as a believer and a non believers?

Just a tip, Do you know when the Bible says: Everything is permissible, it basically means, as a Christian you still have freewill to act and to think. You  can still kill a person as a Christian, but do you think that is right? If you say Bribery is no longer wrong, then by the same logic, I can also say lying, murdering is not wrong either. Our Christian fundamental collapse.
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Thanks UW and pehkay for posting this, it's a very important thing to remember. Temptation to take the easy way out is always there. Sometimes we're not always successful.
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post Dec 2 2014, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 2 2014, 03:36 PM)
Bro, all that you've said about asking God permission to do something sinful to achieve whatever end, is not taught in the Bible.
The Bible is Christian fundamental.

You keep using 2 phrases:

1. All things permissible
2. Everything will be shaken.

But do you understand the meaning behind it?
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if you talking about "context is the king" forget it UW, my king is not context, but HS voice. As simple as that.

Both things are written in the bible right ? so why should i feel condemned ?

I know my wive voice. As you don't know my wive, it's obvious you don't know her voice.

i know GOD's voice. Do you know GOD's voice ?

If you know GOD's voice but you don't do it... because it's bribing to save the child example... who will justify your act later on ? GOD's grace of course biggrin.gif...

But the opportunity to please GOD by doing things that are necessary are for those whose mindset are like... mine.

We both win in GOD's eye, only i have do to the "dirty job" that no full time minister want to do it. It's fine. Glory always to GOD.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 2 2014, 11:35 AM)
That's just an excuse to avoid answering you. But you can be graceful, not everyone have the answers to every question no matter how old they are.
That's why for leaders it's quite imperative to be prepared in season and out of season.
Come to Calvary Dec 25 9am, we have Christmas musical.
Life and death is in the hands of Almighty God.

I believe, God has made it quite clear, children and believers, they belong to God and thus they also inherit God's Kingdom.
If it's time to go, it's time to go. Though painful, but Heaven is still much better place than this fallen world.

And even God has exhorted to us many times, we don't belong this world any longer, we are to be foreigners if not alien to it's corrupted way of life/culture.
Many times, even as Christian, we easily forget this truth.

Being Human, we all have the tendency to panic. But as child of God, we all have access to the power and grace of God for the impossible.

What is my point? We don't have to worry about this world, the future or situations. We have God. When the time of our need comes, whatever happens, God is not far away.
When we have God, all things are possible. Broken bones, bodily injury can heal, so will broken heart. Death is just a doorstep away to heaven. Every close doors, God will open if it's the right one.  That is the meaning that God is in control.

Think about this verse in James 1:13-14 (NIV)

13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.
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Oh, so I have to be graceful among this elders la? Haiyo, but I'm the curious type. I don't take "No" for an answer. tongue.gif

What about this verse?

1 Corinthians 10:13

No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.


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post Dec 2 2014, 09:59 PM

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Anyone has a listing of upcoming Christmas' concerts for the various churches in Klang Valley?
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i regularly browse this website to get some updates:
http://christianitymalaysia.com/

hopefully beneficial.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Dec 2 2014, 09:47 PM)
Oh, so I have to be graceful among this elders la? Haiyo, but I'm the curious type. I don't take "No" for an answer.  tongue.gif

What about this verse?

1 Corinthians 10:13

No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
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wazzup tina, what kind of temptation you have know brows.gif brows.gif ... you wanna punch somebody cuz he's starring at you brows.gif brows.gif

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post Dec 2 2014, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 2 2014, 10:01 PM)
wazzup tina, what kind of temptation you have know  brows.gif  brows.gif ... you wanna punch somebody cuz he's starring at you  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Wazzup Mr Bribery.

I have a new hot neighbour. Just moved in. drool.gif

How do I control my temptation? Besides praying and fasting..


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post Dec 2 2014, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Dec 2 2014, 10:12 AM)
It appears that you have made your choice. No, you're not stuck, just need more people to talk to you about this, or more importantly, to God about this.

The choice I've made was that I started using lies as paintings, as an artist would do in order to tell the truth. While there are also many truths that can be told, the LIE people tell themselves is that they cannot take it.

There are many people here would like to help you, anna, but remember to try to seek wisdom as a whole.

To sum it up, I am not telling you to go tell lies.

I'm telling you if you cannot tell a lie, you will eventually stop. This is the main reason why I've stopped being a salesperson, and went on with other jobs instead. However, by having the experience on how to lie to people, I've discovered the truth about people as well.

And henceforth, I am beginning to accept LIES as a part of my reality and life, and I am learning how to be able to tell from good to bad, from lies to the truth. This does not means I like to lie, but the truth is that many expect you to lie. If the truth is that one desires lies, than it may no longer be the truth if you were to reveal the truth to these people. They snap. The lies...have become their truth of life. This may means that you may not be allowed to completely honest to people you aren't close with, but seek wisdom among all of these. And yes, talk to God.

But hey, I stopped being a salesperson because of the very same question I had.

"Your father said artists use lies to tell the truth. But because you believed in it, you find something true about yourself."

Even right now I am not being completely honest with you, anna. I cannot, because you must first understand the "lies" are no necessarily "false".
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Hi deadlock, are you comfortable with charismatic / pentecostal approach to build spiritual life ? it's called speaking in tongue fyi biggrin.gif

it's one of the approach, in addition to regular bible reading, prayer and fasting.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Dec 2 2014, 10:05 PM)
Wazzup Mr Bribery.

I have a new hot neighbour. Just moved in.  drool.gif

How do I control my temptation? Besides praying and fasting..
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usually a girl didn't say "hot neighbour"... are you sure you are not using your dupe account hahaha brows.gif
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Dec 2 2014, 10:05 PM)
Wazzup Mr Bribery.

I have a new hot neighbour. Just moved in.  drool.gif

How do I control my temptation? Besides praying and fasting..
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Just to be clear, you are a girl, right?

What sort of temptation are you facing? I have hot neighbours but I don't have a problem of temptation. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Dec 2 2014, 10:08 PM)
usually a girl didn't say "hot neighbour"... are you sure you are not using your dupe account hahaha  brows.gif
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What's wrong with "hot"? sad.gif
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Dec 2 2014, 10:09 PM)
What's wrong with "hot"?  sad.gif
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i think it's cultural acceptance issues... ok general fahmy ? brows.gif

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