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 Aircon Discussion v2, Continuing on from previous AC topics

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post Jan 6 2015, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(SimpleGuy16 @ Jan 6 2015, 10:25 PM)
For my conclusion by asking aircond expert...

Best cooling - hitachi but expansive sparepart
Best energy saving - panasonic but cover will turn yellowish after some time
Best design - samsung

Any comment??
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Pana previous model not as cold in my passed exprience, 2015 much better conpressor and scoll type.

Hitachi not durable than others model and spare parts also much expansive.

Samsung should be quite nicer with transparent case and temp indicated also cheaper.
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post Jan 6 2015, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 6 2015, 09:58 PM)
For home use can look with ME ceiling type or Pana or Daikin York smile.gif)
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ME stand for?

Panasonic and Daikin?

I'm for home use. Put at my living room.

Any recommended model and price?
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post Jan 6 2015, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(zero721 @ Jan 6 2015, 10:39 PM)
ME stand for?

Panasonic and Daikin?

I'm for home use. Put at my living room.

Any recommended model and price?
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ME = Mitsubishi Electric

For home...go for Panasonic cassette inverter...save energy but make sure don't under power it.
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post Jan 6 2015, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(YJYYEE @ Jan 6 2015, 11:23 PM)
ME = Mitsubishi Electric

For home...go for Panasonic cassette inverter...save energy but make sure don't under power it.
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I see. What you mean by under power?
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post Jan 6 2015, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(zero721 @ Jan 6 2015, 11:30 PM)
I see. What you mean by under power?
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Means your aircond hp not big enough too cool down the whole space...then inverter or not will make no difference in energy saving

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post Jan 6 2015, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(YJYYEE @ Jan 6 2015, 11:31 PM)
Means your aircond hp not big enough too cool down the whole space...then inverter or not will make no difference in energy saving
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I see. My living room is around 20ft. Is 2.5hp enough?
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post Jan 7 2015, 02:26 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 6 2015, 10:31 PM)
Pana previous model not as cold in my passed exprience, 2015 much better conpressor and scoll type.

Hitachi not durable than others model and spare parts also much expansive.

Samsung should be quite nicer with transparent case and temp indicated also cheaper.
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for me now just down to only 2 brands,pana and samsung...

pana have better energy saving upto 65% based on paper la but normal design
samsung have better design but dont know about energy saving wise and cooling... rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(SimpleGuy16 @ Jan 7 2015, 02:26 AM)
for me now just down to only 2 brands,pana and samsung...

pana have better energy saving upto 65% based on paper la but normal design
samsung have better design but dont know about energy saving wise and cooling... rclxub.gif
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Hitachi inverter 1hp more expansive but does not mean 10k btu more power saving.

In my previous experience for hitachi inverter have to set for 24c enquvalant to ME 1hp inverter for 25C that amount of cooling definitely win to hitachi inverter 1hp.

Cooling temperature to control electric input watts.
More 1 degree = use more 10% of current.

But I dunno Pana how cold it had.
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post Jan 7 2015, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(YJYYEE @ Jan 6 2015, 08:28 PM)
York...now rebranded as Daikin... rclxms.gif ...they are pioneer in large scale air cond...but if home usage, get panasonic inverter type would save more electric
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Why would York allow GA to re-brand its technology as Daikin hmm.gif
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jan 7 2015, 08:36 AM)
Why would York allow GA to re-brand its technology as Daikin  hmm.gif
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From york had thier 1st inverter model, I think is around 3 yrs back.

For that 1st is already consider were used Daikin technology and design.

That is why Daikin malaysia today bought over york.

Does not meant york will lost money, but York has thier bigger plant in malaysia and also oversea network markets.

Daikin wanted York technology or share resources has many bigger company will do.
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post Jan 7 2015, 09:41 AM

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1 Question is regarding Panasonic Air Cond Spec which Some of the spec written that refrigerant type is R410A like below :
Panasonic CS-S10RKH :
http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...s-s10rkh-1.html

Which some non-inverter series like Panasonic CS-C9PKH(http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-appliances/air-conditioner/single-split-air-conditioner/cs-c9pkh.html) did not mention about the refrigerant type.

However both of the " Refrigerant Pipe Diameter " was same, so I just wondering both type this model is that running R410A?

Hope some1 can answer my question which now I confusing. Thanks a lot.
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QUOTE(huade @ Jan 7 2015, 09:41 AM)
1 Question is regarding Panasonic Air Cond Spec which Some of the spec written that refrigerant type is R410A like below :
Panasonic CS-S10RKH :
http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...s-s10rkh-1.html

Which some non-inverter series like Panasonic CS-C9PKH(http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-appliances/air-conditioner/single-split-air-conditioner/cs-c9pkh.html) did not mention about the refrigerant type.

However both of the " Refrigerant Pipe Diameter " was same, so I just wondering both type this model is that running R410A?

Hope some1 can answer my question which now I confusing. Thanks a lot.
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Got specs n read from the specs for copper pipe size were 6.35mm & 9.5mm diameter for 1hp.

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post Jan 7 2015, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 7 2015, 09:47 AM)
Got specs n read from the specs for copper pipe size were 6.35mm & 9.5mm diameter for 1hp.

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Because I saw some low spec Panasonic non-inveter also using the same pipe like below the spec :
http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...c9qkh.html.html

In this case it means both inveter or not is using same pipe no matter the refrigerant is R410A or R22? Is this statement true? blink.gif
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QUOTE(huade @ Jan 7 2015, 12:50 PM)
Because I saw some low spec Panasonic non-inveter also using the same pipe like below the spec :
http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...c9qkh.html.html

In this case it means both inveter or not is using same pipe no matter the refrigerant is R410A or R22? Is this statement true?  blink.gif
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Both are the same piping, even wires, but once is already installed for R22 gas unit is better don't mixed with new unit come with R410a gas mix together would create some noise or slower boot up time.

That's why those ppl go with non-inverter but packaged in R410a gas for future able to use with inverter R410a unit..

Recent pana & yorkdaikin also offer for R410a - non-inverter model.

More benefit for more cooler and power saving as well. icon_rolleyes.gif thumbup.gif
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post Jan 7 2015, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 7 2015, 01:21 PM)
Both are the same piping, even wires, but once is already installed for R22 gas unit is better don't mixed with new unit come with R410a gas mix together would create some noise or slower boot up time.

That's why those ppl go with non-inverter but packaged in R410a gas for future able to use with inverter R410a unit..

Recent pana & yorkdaikin also offer for R410a - non-inverter model.

More benefit for more cooler and power saving as well.  icon_rolleyes.gif  thumbup.gif
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Do you means that I can even install inveter 1.0 HP R410 in normal pipe as well?
Because I saw that only 1.5HP inveter will required thicker pipe only.
1.0 HP inveter all using same piping like non-inveter model. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(huade @ Jan 7 2015, 01:36 PM)
Do you means that I can even install inveter 1.0 HP R410 in normal pipe as well?
Because I saw that only 1.5HP inveter will required thicker pipe only.
1.0 HP inveter all using same piping like non-inveter model.  rclxub.gif
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Ya all are the same size, you need to compare price from Aircon man installer.

If topup thicken one for how much per meter.

Not sure in m'sia they do for you, since they would try to find out which suitable copper pipes are the cheaper in markets but able to support R410a gas then go for it.

1.5hp if require same size of copper pipe you able to install as well.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 7 2015, 01:45 PM)
Ya all are the same size, you need to compare price from Aircon man installer.

If topup thicken one for how much per meter.

Not sure in m'sia they do for you, since they would try to find out which suitable copper pipes are the cheaper in markets but able to support R410a gas then go for it.

1.5hp if require same size of copper pipe you able to install as well.
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Thanks much ya laugh.gif
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post Jan 8 2015, 03:47 PM

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Found Pana 2015 model RM1600, Samsung RM1340 and Sharp RM1360. All inverter 1HP with installation. Which one gives the best value? On paper specs show that the Pana consumes the least electricity tho
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QUOTE(spikey2506 @ Jan 8 2015, 03:47 PM)
Found Pana 2015 model RM1600, Samsung RM1340 and Sharp RM1360. All inverter 1HP with installation. Which one gives the best value? On paper specs show that the Pana consumes the least electricity tho
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Pana this time used latest scroll compressor and much lower noise improved and faster reached.

All you can check from thier latest specs.

You have ask supersound brother.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 8 2015, 03:50 PM)
Pana this time used latest scroll compressor and much lower noise improved and faster reached.

All you can check from thier latest specs.

You have ask supersound brother.
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Thanks. In the end bought Pana for peace of mind.

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