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 Aircon Discussion v2, Continuing on from previous AC topics

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post Dec 10 2014, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Dec 10 2014, 02:48 AM)
Triangle user here also. They know this and has provided a solution: Turn off the display.

Press (2nd F) + (good' sleep) <--writing below this latter button is labeled "Display Off"
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tongue.gif no wonder there are display off wording but cant use... need to press the (2nd F) izzit.

I didn't read well the manual.

Thanks man rclxms.gif


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post Dec 10 2014, 10:03 AM

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Sharp vs electrolux? Which would you go for? For non frequent / heavy user.
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post Dec 10 2014, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(chewykel @ Dec 10 2014, 10:03 AM)
Sharp vs electrolux? Which would you go for? For non frequent / heavy user.
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Sharp
Electrolux is not advisable as they outsourced the production to 3rd party.

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post Dec 10 2014, 07:46 PM

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Hi, want to ask sifu here.
for ME 2hp inverter and 2.5hp standard, how does the power cord run? is it the same as 1hp, to indoor unit 1st then outdoor or need to get wireman to extend wire to outdoor before reconnect back to indoor unit? tq
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post Dec 10 2014, 08:32 PM

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Panasonic just released the 2015 models today...

http://www.pmpressroom.com/products/Aircon...Release_ENG.pdf
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post Dec 10 2014, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(laith @ Dec 10 2014, 10:35 AM)
Is there a way to check the electric goods' energy rating by online, like sample as below?
I have visited the www.st.gov.my, but there's no search function on this.

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I don't give a damn on this rating, if want to compare the rating in proper manner, do look at the sticker on the air conds you want to compare.
Usually Panasonic's rating are more accurate comparing to other brands.
You need to consider all the factors before concluding that 5 star.
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post Dec 10 2014, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Dec 10 2014, 11:29 PM)
I don't give a damn on this rating, if want to compare the rating in proper manner, do look at the sticker on the air conds you want to compare.
Usually Panasonic's rating are more accurate comparing to other brands.
You need to consider all the factors before concluding that 5 star.
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Sure but not really accurated on cooling system like adjust to 24c and feel like 25.5c at all...
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post Dec 10 2014, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Dec 10 2014, 11:34 PM)
Sure but not really accurated on cooling system like adjust to 24c and feel like 25.5c at all...
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Oh yah, forgot to mention, Kimchi brands are quite blur on stating the power whistling.gif
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post Dec 10 2014, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Dec 10 2014, 11:36 PM)
Oh yah, forgot to mention, Kimchi brands are quite blur on stating the power whistling.gif
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Lol...
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post Dec 11 2014, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(laith @ Dec 11 2014, 11:07 AM)
In your opinion, is Kimchi product that bad?  hmm.gif
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wrt air conds, kimchi brands need more generous ventilation clearance for their compressor. The back if against the wall must have at least 12" from wall whereas most sushi brands can tolerate 4". Otherwise, they do ok. Can download a manual and compare.
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post Dec 11 2014, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(laith @ Dec 11 2014, 11:07 AM)
In your opinion, is Kimchi product that bad?  hmm.gif
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Well, the seller that selling electric appliances also never bother to hard sell me any of the Kimchi brands, but he will ask me to choose the Japs brands.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Dec 11 2014, 01:53 PM)
Well, the seller that selling electric appliances also never bother to hard sell me any of the Kimchi brands, but he will ask me to choose the Japs brands.
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Actually never wrong with kimchi thing, just sushi has been over a history in everywhere, even parts may easy to get.


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post Dec 11 2014, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Dec 11 2014, 02:07 PM)
Actually never wrong with kimchi thing, just sushi has been over a history in everywhere, even parts may easy to get.
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A known seller and installer's mouth are the most honest.
And with repairer to verify.
The most easiest parts to get is Daikin, follow by Japs brand. Kimchi is hard to get.
You have money and time to waste, but I don't have.
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post Dec 11 2014, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Dec 11 2014, 02:12 PM)
A known seller and installer's mouth are the most honest.
And with repairer to verify.
The most easiest parts to get is Daikin, follow by Japs brand. Kimchi is hard to get.
You have money and time to waste, but I don't have.
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Is depend on Aircon hardware shop .

Not lah most easier for york lah
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post Dec 11 2014, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(laith @ Dec 11 2014, 02:58 PM)
Valuable info indeed. Thanks guys.
Recently i see some shops are selling kimchi's inverter 1.0hp for lower than RM1K, looks like a great buy.
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I can sell an 1HP air cond for rm700, but installation must be done by my installer and the charges are rm400.
Another seller is selling the same air cond for rm1050 but with installations.
Which you will choose?
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post Dec 11 2014, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(laith @ Dec 11 2014, 04:10 PM)
Which shop sells an inverter air cond 1HP at RM700?
Which installer charges the installation for RM400?
i would like to know about it.
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Just example. When the shop are offering cheaper price than others, usually the installation cost will be higher, this is how they make money. In Seremban there's 1 shop doing this.
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post Dec 11 2014, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(laith @ Dec 11 2014, 04:39 PM)
What a "great" example. I thought i manage to get such a great deal.
I got the unit online, then engage my regular installer to do the installation separately.
Lower cost. So far so good. Touch wood.
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Good for you then.
I just want to point out that you need to ask properly before buying. 10 years back there's no such online buying and I got cheated. I planned to buy 3 air conds but at the end I buy 1 online and that's rm50 more expensive than other shops that giving the price directly.
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post Dec 11 2014, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(laith @ Dec 11 2014, 02:58 PM)
Recently i see some shops are selling kimchi's inverter 1.0hp for lower than RM1K, looks like a great buy.
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Triangle or non-triangle? Could be old inventory to clear esp non-triangle. If they are fit for purpose and you are aware of their limitations and their maintenance cost (like filter replacement if any) like what I mention above and take steps to mitigate them worth the risk to try.

For me, I would record down the model, check for reviews online, inquire about spare parts (cost of filters which needs m month or n years to replace and PCB) and weigh the turnaround wrt to sushi kimchi support in the area. If acceptable, check manual for any special installation requirements* and then get an installer to do as instructed in the manual.

* at least three I can think of:
1. Generous clearance for ventilation like 300mm(12") from back of wall or from the ceiling if under the roof or balcony esp. If that can be met, no reason why it can't be used.
2. Loop the refrigerant pipes one round behind the compressor to avoid excessive vibration etc. (Samsung or LG manuals have these illustration very prominent across their different models)
3. Data/signal wiring to prepare beforehand for indoor to outdoor unit. Samsung seems to use two in addition to default three (LNE=live neutral earth). So MCB---LNE---indoor/blower---LNE+2data---outdoor/compressor (confirm w manual specific to model)

Plus one crucial thing that only a minority does here (but mandatory all across in SG): use Smartco Paircoil or Inaba Denko Paircoil pipes. kimsim, you might want to take a picture of the piping insulation sleeves and show here of your AC installation.

This post has been edited by halcyon27: Dec 11 2014, 06:53 PM
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post Dec 11 2014, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Dec 11 2014, 05:39 PM)
Triangle or non-triangle? Could be old inventory to clear esp non-triangle. If they are fit for purpose and you are aware of their limitations and their maintenance cost (like filter replacement if any) like what I mention above and take steps to mitigate them worth the risk to try.

For me, I would record down the model, check for reviews online, inquire about spare parts (cost of filters which needs m month or n years to replace and PCB) and weigh the turnaround wrt to sushi support in the area. If acceptable, check manual for any special installation requirements* and then get an installer to do as instructed in the manual.

* at least three I can think of:
1. Generous clearance for ventilation like 300mm(12") from back of wall or from the ceiling if under the roof or balcony esp. If that can be met, no reason why it can't be used.
2. Loop the refrigerant pipes one round behind the compressor to avoid excessive vibration etc. (Samsung or LG manuals have these illustration very prominent across their different models)
3. Data/signal wiring to prepare beforehand for indoor to outdoor unit. Samsung seems to use two in addition to default three (LNE=live neutral earth).  So MCB---LNE---indoor/blower---LNE+2data---outdoor/compressor (confirm w manual specific to model)

Plus one crucial thing that only a minority does here (but mandatory all across in SG): use Smartco Paircoil or Inaba Denko Paircoil pipes. kimsim, you might want to take a picture of the piping insulation sleeves and show here of your AC installation.
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Mine insulation quite simple just like m'sia, I know in m'sia still combine into 1 of insulation.

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IN SG was each pipe got thier insulation
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post Dec 11 2014, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Dec 11 2014, 06:41 PM)
Mine insulation quite simple just like m'sia, I know in m'sia still combine into 1 of insulation.

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IN SG was each pipe got thier insulation
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Doesn't matter of the brand so long as it's done right - ea pipe with their own insulation. Armacell is excellent but it's very hard to find here compared to Smartco and Inaba Denko.

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