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 Aircon Discussion v2, Continuing on from previous AC topics

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post Oct 28 2014, 01:28 PM

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Any brand will cause problems if you don't know how to use it.
But certain brands last longer and some are not. Service centers, electrical shops opinion will be more accurate than forum's review.
In general, non inverter last longer than inverter models since the components used different. Non inverter in general using thermostate to control outdoor unit's cut in/out while inverter is using sensors, IC to control.
If you want an air cond to be "noisy", off all the features and set to the lowest temperature, fan speed at max.
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post Oct 28 2014, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(niloc @ Oct 28 2014, 01:44 PM)
@supersound is expert at aircon I assume biggrin.gif

Hmm.. electrical shop opinions, sometimes I feel that they are talking a lot of BS.. they don't really know what they are talking about. Not all, but some of them.

Anyway, so you are suggesting that it is better to get non-inverter than an inverter because it will last longer?
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Up to you, this is my personal view.
You need to go to the right shop only to get a more objective review. HN, SenQ are the wrong place sweat.gif
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post Oct 28 2014, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Oct 28 2014, 02:35 PM)
from my experience with inverter vs. non-inverter models under constant on conditions (24/7, set to 28/27 degrees only, non-full load, regularly cleaned, no chemical wash, dismantling only rarely if at all) i can say that after a few years - no matter which model you use - non-inverter units start to give issues at the outside compressor due to the constand on/off. cheap units tend to last maybe 2 yrs and then the bearing rattles. same goes for the inside blower fan. better brands (carrier, panasonic, etc.) tend to just have the outside compressor problem, the blower fan and stuff seems to last and stays quiet. also the outside compressor casing rusts, the cheaper the faster.
i never had any other major issues with any aircon i used like this, no controller board spoil etc.

inverter: running 24/7 now for up to 7 years: issues (all panasonic) none besides the 2 HB horizontal flap motor died on me (flap falls instead moving up / down so i set it not to move). no getting noisy, nothing. outside also nothing besides a bit of rust near the connecting pipes at the casing. makes sense, no on-off all the time makes them last actually longer a bit.
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Cut in/out too often will result to capacitor fail on non inverter. But mine only fail after 7 years thumbup.gif
I have no money to on 24/7 as my lung condition are very bad.
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post Oct 29 2014, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(scdvom @ Oct 29 2014, 08:21 AM)
I see. But I thought air cond only comes with 1 air filter? if the air filter get stuck with dust, even the blowing air from the air cond without ionizer also dirty right?
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When the filter get stuck with dust, you need to clean it, like 1 month it stuck 50% then every 2 weeks you need to clean it.
Till today I never trust that air cond with fancy functions can make us healthier, best is still eat healthily, do regular exercise(or sexercise brows.gif ), drink more water and use less air cond.
When air is too dry(since another air cond function is to remove moisture content in your room), this can make our body dry also. When this happens, our lung will start to produce sputum to keep air passage wet which later develope cough.
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post Oct 29 2014, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 29 2014, 08:48 AM)
For newbie only
How do you choose an the right Air-Con for your home!

1. Please visit here nearness of you, such as jusco or any aircon shops for asking specs or visit thier website online for checking the right specs.
2. Please look at the smaller input watts : such as 800w (8000BTU / 800w = 10 EER) at least go for 11 EER for more energy saving.
3. Choose your specs " Inverter or Non-Inverter.
4. Don't get brushing from salesman for Non-Inverter last more longer or Inverter Gas more expansive for future top up.. (Answer: Wrong)
Inverter unit last more longer runs or more durable for breakdown, even Gas R410a would be going to cheaper in future..if your aircon gas leaks :
meant that installation no up to qauilfied of installation experience, meant the gas leakage would be in the short of within 2 weeks time only.
5. Good in workmanship : meant even usage up to 10 yrs you still don't worried for gas top up else, just do the monthly filter clean out
mantain like new for last longer.
6. Nowadays if your aircon can be last up to 10 yrs = the condition also need to be replacement new unit already,
higher maintenance would be coming up on after 5 yrs and above : such as compressor mounting, fan motor magnet, blower noisy, casing getting rust
or dusts blocked over an aluminium coil fins else, (apply additional filter can be save up your trouble or money for call for service).
7. Pana, Mit Mr Slim, MHI, Daikin, Hitachi, York, Sharp, LG, Samsung all you can decided, for those brands have thier Pro and Cons. 

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your statements some are flaw :
6. all are condition based, like location of the outdoor unit, if always exposed to rain water and direct sunlight or near to sea, sure rust faster. Mine till now never rust and electric bill still remain the same. So please stop mislead people.
1. this is not the right place as most of the promoters know nuts.
2. again, don't mislead people with such numbers. A person shall choose his right air cond based on room size, wall condition before looking at those numbers. Power consumption will be important.
4. Inverter do last long, but not the sensors and the electronics inside.
5. By setting the coldest temperature with highest fan speed all the time, the gas will be missing over the time. But if use it gently, it will last long, so don't mislead people.
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post Oct 29 2014, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(scdvom @ Oct 29 2014, 09:15 AM)
Sexercise haha....After all, ionizer is not a point to concern for the air cond unit? Alright!!! But I really need a long last model. Will turning on my cond for more than 12 hours per day. For long term running, those services / parts repair; inverter or non inverter can save more cost?
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12 hours? Get inverter, for me that are using only 4-5 hours a day, I need 5-6 years to get back the savings from inverter.
The best way is do not use econavi, just use the normal function will do.
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post Oct 29 2014, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Oct 29 2014, 09:45 AM)
how about fridge with ion, vitamin, crisper, anti smell? for fridge I follow you using Sanyo since it's part of panasonic. choose the brand manufacturer that produce jet pump since the compressor are similar.
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I don't bother much with those fancy functions. Since my food are fresh most of the time.
Even my basic Panasonic fridge can keep stuffs up to 1 week without problem.
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post Oct 29 2014, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(scdvom @ Oct 29 2014, 09:55 AM)
Aiksss....thinking of to get the York. Is all the model from York will turn noisy after the cleaning of internal blower?
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York is a known brand for noisy, good for office usage but not for sleeping whistling.gif
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post Oct 29 2014, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Oct 29 2014, 10:00 AM)
samsung is too cheap..price will be same like china brand. we are afraid of cheap pricing ma..better the most expensive ME, Pana and Daikin ma.
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Trust me, don't take Samsung, is like VW, veryworrysome whistling.gif
With this type of weather, air cond fail you are in trouble.
Mitsubishi are "popular" due to they sponsor SG's government a lot.
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post Oct 29 2014, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(scdvom @ Oct 29 2014, 10:58 AM)
@supersound you sell air cond units?
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I don't sell, standing as user's point of view.
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post Oct 29 2014, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Oct 29 2014, 12:18 PM)
but I don't like pana.. not cold enough for me just fan windy blower.
kimsim, is this ME easy to clean? because not all ME easy to clean right?
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Not cold can be due to some factors, room size, wall material, house direction all come in to play.
All the blower unit's filter can be DIY, just open the cover, remove the filter, wash with water and kalas.
My Panasonic also not cold on certain time doh.gif
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post Oct 29 2014, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 29 2014, 12:30 PM)
Not cold really is Pana issue, compressor supports not up to spec.
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Again, do not use baseless and subjective review to mislead people.
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post Oct 29 2014, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Oct 29 2014, 12:43 PM)
but supersound said MHI not good meh.
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I think I never say that before.
What I don't like is tech support are lesser compare to Panasonic.
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post Oct 29 2014, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 29 2014, 12:37 PM)
Cause mine last time is face the same issue. Never baseless at all.

Deluxe non-inverter model Leh, what I paid for Rm1099 without install and after installed getting disappointed result of won't cool and must be used 2nd fan level to be noisy.

Still recalled that model called AC Robot
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Yup, you are right. On hot sunny day, I'll set 26°C on my friend's Mitusbishi air cond and tell him why it can't cool the room fast?
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post Oct 29 2014, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 29 2014, 01:03 PM)
From 26C to 25C inverter really can tell the different for instantly feels.

If non-inverter on 26C really cannot sleep already, just feels hot or warm
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Do you know why I always says you like to use baseless and subjective review? Because you never try to understand what I said and try to act stupid doh.gif
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post Oct 29 2014, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 29 2014, 01:13 PM)
You really dunno as a user needed, as a user for sure choose for better cooling and quiet to suit their room for better sleep.

You knew what? 

Ppls buying Aircon used for what purpose? Getting cold down the room right..
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In some sense you are right, but with wrong configuration it won't give the best result.
If I want to shine a brand with your baseless and subjective review, I'll do the "objective" measures on night time after raining. This can come out result A that can impress others.
But if I want to bash a brand(like what you like to do most of the time), I'll do it on hot afternoon and choose the hottest room, do the "objective" measures and come out result B to mislead people.
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post Oct 30 2014, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(KHOdin @ Oct 30 2014, 10:07 AM)
i saw some aircon have auto cleaning function
does this mean i dont have the take the filter off and clean myself ?
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Yes, you may do so.
Just later when it fails, don't ask for help whistling.gif
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post Oct 30 2014, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(KHOdin @ Oct 30 2014, 02:12 PM)
means no ?  rclxub.gif
btw should i get a unit with ionizer ?
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You need to remove and clean the filter once a month, then you no need to do major service every year thumbup.gif
As for ionizer or not, most are coming as a package. I don't bother much on this, making your room clean will still the important part.
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post Oct 30 2014, 03:58 PM

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Just did a DIY cleaning of my air cond(already 1.5 years never send for service).
This is the photo after cleaning, before the cleaning, all the fins are full of dust sweat.gif
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post Oct 30 2014, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 30 2014, 04:40 PM)
Time to used additional filter from Daiso thumbup.gif
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Nope, it will reduce the inlet flow and causing noisy blower.

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