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 Aircon Discussion v2, Continuing on from previous AC topics

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post Nov 12 2014, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Nov 12 2014, 11:40 AM)
what do u mean controller wire no need bro ?
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Normal wiring is live, neutral, earth. How to get wire no. 4?
This wire is serve as "signal" to the outdoor unit.
So you no need to worry on this at any 1 time, just do the normal wiring and if require the 4th wire, the air cond man can just lay another wire, it won't cost much.
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post Nov 17 2014, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Nov 17 2014, 07:56 PM)
Aircond is counting like that? No matter i'm on Fan 1 , Fan 2 , Fan 3 ? I remember someone told me that set aircond more than 24C then will save electric  , i didn't use those fancy function , my aircond setting is Fan speed 2 at 25C , so my aircond won't act On/Off i think
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Nope, blower won't consume much power, but the compressor unit does.
So blower on only may consume certain wattage, while compressor and blower running will consume the rated power.
Even running with blower only, it still consume more power than ceiling fan.
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post Nov 20 2014, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(ayako_o @ Nov 20 2014, 10:48 AM)
Any sifu here can enlighten me either the black wire is sufficient for a 2 HP Daikin non-inverter air-con?
My AC guy did this but my main con ( I engaged them differently) tell me that this black wire is not sufficient for a 2HP air-con. It might get melt in the future.
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Too small, can't, can't comment.
And depend greatly on the air cond you bought.
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post Nov 20 2014, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(ayako_o @ Nov 20 2014, 03:08 PM)
I assume the grey 1 will be the power supply, and the black wire I have no idea what's inside. My main con suggest me to get a 3 x 2.5mm wire instead of 1 x 3 core wire. He was talking on the black wire.
Let me get an image of the wire head and update here. Appreciate reply from you guys.

*another question: how to make sure the wire is certified by SIRIM and not some low grade wire from china? Just to double check. This AC contractor giving me too much prob and I started to lose faith on them.

Thanks to all the sifus  notworthy.gif
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More cores are actually better than single core, less lost.
You can ask wireman to do the wiring, air cond man install the air cond. This is usually to do task.
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post Nov 21 2014, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(ayako_o @ Nov 21 2014, 10:58 AM)
My wires look like this
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and this taken inside the room
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Ya currently the wiremen pull a 20Amp wire for AC ppl, then the rest is taken care by the AC guy.
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Looks quite decent, what's the HP for it?
Usually wireman will lay the main wire from distribution box to the place you will be installing air cond, then the air cond man may lay wire from blower unit(taking from main) to the outdoor unit.
And you not yet paint the walls, right? If yes, then you need to redo the concealing part again. The proper way is using PVC pipe to make those parts can be removed during service, not messy.
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post Nov 24 2014, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(boxer07 @ Nov 24 2014, 03:19 PM)
i plan to install 4 aircon for my unit . 1 of my contractor told me single phrase only recommend to install max 2 unit 1.5hp air con ...

got such thing?
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If follow the "book", yes.
But if you don't turn them on all the time then no.
With 3 phase, it is for better low balancing. You may get 5-10% of savings.
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post Nov 27 2014, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(aztechx @ Nov 26 2014, 07:49 PM)
Guys, below is the photo of my condo unit and im planning to install and aircond in the hall

my mistake was not preparing the aircond point before installing the plaster ceiling which is a major headache now

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Red is where i would like to place my aircond
Blue is my mainbox

I cant put the aircond at the balcony door due to my plan to raise up the curtain all the way to the ceiling.

My question is:
1) is it possible to put my aircond there?
2) Will there be any permanent damage to my plaster ceiling after they hack it to place the cables?
3) can the air cond wiring go through that beam in the middle?
4) How much will it roughly cost for the wiring works?

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1. anywhere is possible.
2. there will be damage if they hack there, else, nothing will happen.
3. not advisable as far as possible.
4. depending on the length, works to do the job.

Anyway, your plaster ceiling are really good, on heat retention.
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post Nov 30 2014, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(aviecena2020 @ Nov 29 2014, 11:56 PM)
My bedroom size is about 14'x18'
What is recommended HP?

thinking to buy inverter tyupe either samsung,Panasonic(Econavi) or Mitsubishi( Mr Slim)
Mitsubishi is the most expensive

If i choose 1.5HP, will it be any issue?
--> eg: extra current usage to cool down the room especially inverter type
I understand that 1.5hp might not sufficient to cool down the whole room
My thinking is as long as bed area is cool, it is ok for me

Attached is my bedroom plan drawing
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Move your bed to center, facing wall better. Air cond just get Pana or Mitsubishi, skip the Samsung.
Getting 1.5HP are ok for your room. Cool down faster which indirectly save your bill.
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post Nov 30 2014, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(aviecena2020 @ Nov 30 2014, 12:25 PM)
Face wall means that bed head facing air cond wall is it?
My concern on HP1.5 is that even though bed area already cool but compressor still work hard to cool the entire room.
On other words, it can't reach desired/setting temperature
Thus extra work out for compressor lead to extra current usage even though i choose inverter type
Would like to know whether my concern is correct?

HP2.0 too expensive though
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Nope, facing next to your sliding door.
Mine are about 12*22 1.5HP also can make me freeze thumbup.gif
So no problem.

QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Nov 30 2014, 02:06 PM)
Why no samsung =( , i got 4pcs ac for my whole house
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First, no reliable and I'm anti Kimchi whistling.gif
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post Nov 30 2014, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Nov 30 2014, 04:05 PM)
will die after 3 year?
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Something like that whistling.gif
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post Dec 2 2014, 07:54 AM

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QUOTE(jackieloo111 @ Dec 1 2014, 10:14 PM)
I'm using panasonic all across my house. And I kinda agree with you. I've got two 1 hp and one 2 hp. Not having wind slowness problem but keep needing to service sad.gif I dunno whether its because not installed properly (the air cond contractor told me the initial installation was not proper and the water kept flowing back and causing freeze). Thing is i have fixed that problem but it seems the damage is permanent...it just doesn't function well now
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Need regular service because of the outlet pipe's orientation?
Please be more sepcific, with photos would be good. My Pana already 2 years never service after I found a way to "service" it.
You need to clean the cooling fins every now and then.

QUOTE(aviecena2020 @ Dec 1 2014, 11:40 PM)
what is the different between mitsu electric and heavy industries?
which one better?
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The price and reliability.
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post Dec 2 2014, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Dec 1 2014, 12:17 AM)
Samsung very noisy one la the outdoor
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If you whack 24/7, not just noisy, it gives you high vibration as package till you can feel it at night.
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post Dec 2 2014, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Dec 2 2014, 09:32 AM)
prob is inverter got 1/2hp? my room is only 10*10 liao. small room 1pk is a waste of electricity
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You only need inverter when your usage are > 5 hours a day.
But for long hours usage, you need to calculate the additional cost also, like medication cost.

QUOTE(miss mandy @ Dec 2 2014, 09:43 AM)
which is the most accurate aircon HP calculator?
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No right or wrong on this. All are giving general guideline only.
I'll consider the bricks and paint used on your wall, height from ground to ceiling, cabinets in the room. Total surface area matters.
Not to mention if you design your plaster ceiling that will retain heat.
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post Dec 2 2014, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(aviecena2020 @ Dec 2 2014, 03:21 PM)
So which one is cheaper and which one is more reliability?
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Sure industrial grade.
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post Dec 2 2014, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Dec 2 2014, 10:36 PM)
Do you knew why ppls who invest Aircon for improve their sleeping as well, do you know that?

Very simple one day we works hard but for our sleep at night is really most most improved than you works hard.

From 5-8 hours per days at night for sleep with Aircon even your dream also turn become more sleep drame Leh..

Believed me.. Fast going to install next month you would realise your life got Aircon is really like a boss..

Later you much thanks me.

Wall/ceiling fan is already out dated in 2014 today..
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Only OKKUs will say fan outdated.
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post Dec 2 2014, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(aviecena2020 @ Dec 2 2014, 11:48 PM)
Sorry, Industries is more cheaper or more reliable?
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More expensive and reliable.
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QUOTE(lazzy_dogg @ Dec 2 2014, 11:32 PM)
Pana cooling fins dirty up easily.... How to clean it? I tried using paint brush but still cannot take out the dirt
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Looks like your house are dust collector, using lots of cotton in the room?
My bed room also the same but my hall's never clean before(after 1.5 years) and still clean.
If you want to keep the maintenance fee low, you can DIY cleaning the fin with vacuum cleaner.
Need to remove 2 screws then the whole cover, follow by vacuum the fins slowly.
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post Dec 3 2014, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Dec 3 2014, 12:19 AM)
really meh? somehow I do realize your post make me remembering myself now very sleepy whole day liao.
Is it because aircon or lack of exercise? because when I sleep in hotel or when I am in Singapore sleep on aircon walau sleep only 4 hrs but more energetic than I sleep 8-9 hrs like now.. I have already bought new spring bed still same liao even with new spring bed after alarm tend to sleep again because feel too cozy. I am a dilemma now. someone can verify that kimsim's statement is valid?

thank you thank  you for make me to fork out more money on aircon liao  notworthy.gif
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For long term, natural air still the best.
Some says using air cond are good, indeed it is good as it is creating more business opportunity especially on medical line. Not to mention ensuring TNB making billions every year.
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post Dec 3 2014, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Dec 3 2014, 10:57 AM)
But aircon creates dry air.it's good for my allergic than humid air. People using aircon live longer.eg: singaporean and japanese
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Allergic must know the main reason and cost first. Humid air is not the main reason, unless your environment are surrounded by waste gas, then you are right.
Like in Seremban, people that staying places nearby to industrial area do have such problem.
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post Dec 3 2014, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Dec 3 2014, 11:06 AM)
Allergic from child and had asthma. Lucky ate bat and swimming so become better. Just every morning got humid in my nose
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Child allergic are due to mother simply eat rubbish during pregnancy, which causes baby's organ not strong enough.
I only feed my wife with fish and natural food, 0 rubbish from fast food chain stores, 0 chemical processed Omega, DHA milk.


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