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post Oct 22 2014, 10:46 PM, updated 11y ago

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Just read this article on some car manufacturers recalling their vehicles due to faulty Takata airbags in the US. Toyota recalled 247,000 vehicles in the United States.

The Takata airbags when deployed, are launching metal shrapnel at occupants. Some scary shit.

It seems that certain models from Toyota, Honda, Mazda, BMW, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Chrysler, Ford and General Motors are installed with Takata airbags. Does anybody have any idea which model are installed with Takata airbags, and whether the Malaysian models come with these Takata airbags as well?


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post Oct 22 2014, 11:13 PM

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US agency warns car owners to get air bags fixed

DETROIT (AP) -- A potential safety crisis over defective air bags widened Monday as the U.S. government issued an urgent plea to more than 4.7 million people to get their cars fixed.

The inflator mechanisms in the air bags can rupture, causing metal fragments to fly out when the bags are deployed in crashes.

Safety advocates say at least four people have died from the problem and there have been multiple injuries. They also say more than 20 million vehicles in the U.S. are equipped with the faulty air bags.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration warned people whose cars have been recalled during the past two years for faulty air bag inflators to take them to dealers right away. The inflators are made by Takata Corp., a Tokyo-based supplier of seat belts, air bags, steering wheels and other auto parts. So far, automakers have recalled about 12 million vehicles worldwide because of the problem.

"This message comes with urgency," NHTSA said in a statement. The agency has been investigating the problem since June, and has cited reports of six inflators rupturing, causing three injuries.

The warning covers cars made by Toyota, Honda, Mazda, BMW, Nissan, General Motors and Ford. Passenger or driver air bags or both could be affected depending on the vehicle.

Toyota issued the latest recall Monday, covering passenger air bags in 247,000 older model vehicles including the Lexus SC, Corolla, Matrix, Sequoia and Tundra.

Like many of the other recalls, the Toyota recall covers vehicles in South Florida, along the Gulf Coast, in Puerto Rico, Hawaii, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, Saipan and American Samoa — all areas that have high absolute humidity. Toyota, in documents posted on the NHTSA website, said the company and Takata are still trying to pinpoint the cause of the rupture and to gauge the influence of high absolute humidity.

Absolute humidity is a measurement of water vapor in the air, while relative humidity, which is commonly used in weather reports, measures air moisture content relative to the air temperature.

Toyota has been testing the air bags, and it found an unusually high incidence of inflator failures along the coasts, according to spokesman John Hanson. The investigation continues and the recall could be expanded to more areas, Hanson said.

Toyota says it knows of no crashes or injuries from the cars it has recalled.

Neither Toyota nor NHTSA could say exactly how far inland the recall area goes or what states it covers.

NHTSA urged people to check if their car has been recalled by going to https://vinrcl.safercar.gov/vin/and typing in their vehicle identification number.

Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the nonprofit Center for Auto Safety, estimated there are 20 million to 25 million cars in the U.S. alone that are equipped with the faulty air bags.

Toyota said repairs will be done for free and notices will go into the mail starting around Oct. 25, according to documents. People who live in areas that are outside of the recall zone who are afraid of driving their cars should contact their dealerships, Hanson said.

Last week, two U.S. senators questioned why the safety agency is allowing the recalls to be done on a regional basis because cars could be driven to, or people could move to the high-humidity states.

They also cited the May 27, 2009, death of 18-year-old Ashley Parham of Oklahoma City. She was driving a 2001 Honda Accord across a high school parking lot in Midwest City, Oklahoma, when it hit another car. The air bag inflated and sent shards of metal into her neck, causing her death.

"Based on NHTSA's open investigation, the agency will take appropriate action, including expanding the scope of the recall if warranted," an agency statement said.

Takata has said it recognizes the critical role that government plays in public safety, and it is supporting safety regulators. [Source]
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post Oct 22 2014, 11:49 PM

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Yikes. Sounds like Final Destination if the Takata air bags are deployed. Metal shrapnel and pieces of loose metal bars come flying to you in all directions. Might as well they don't deploy.
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post Oct 23 2014, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(Dwango @ Oct 22 2014, 11:49 PM)
Yikes. Sounds like Final Destination if the Takata air bags are deployed. Metal shrapnel and pieces of loose metal bars come flying to you in all directions. Might as well they don't deploy.
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post Oct 23 2014, 07:19 AM

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The killer metal shrapnel are not outside material but from inside the vehicle. Parts of the airbag or the car that pierce through the airbags when the airbags are deployed. It is scary to imagine that the airbags which are supposed to be a saving device is going to kill you by launching shrapnel onto your face and neck. Might as well take the airbags out if that's the case.

I wonder if the car models over here in Malaysia are affected as in the USA. Apparently very quiet here. Though when accidents happen the authorities here won't probably go into detail like CSI and just regard mishaps as sudden death due to negligence, and that the airbags failed to protect the occupant in extreme situations even though they are deployed.
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post Oct 23 2014, 08:29 AM

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Looks like many models are affected, though they are older models year 2000-2006. Apparently even though there are recalls in the US, defective airbags are still in use in the US. Looks like people are expecting for the airbags to stay in their respective compartments for life, not expecting the airbags to deploy. If that's the case, might be better to produce cars without air bags at all.

Car models affected:-

BMW: 2000–2006 3-series sedan and wagon; 2000–2006 3-series coupe and convertible
Chrysler: 2006 Dodge Charger (additional models unknown as of now)
Ford: 2004 Ranger, 2005–2006 GT, 2005–2007 Mustang
General Motors: 2003–2005 Pontiac Vibe, 2013–2014 Cruze (different Takata module, similar problem)
Honda/Acura: 2001–2007 Accord, 2001–2005 Civic, 2002–2006 CR-V, 2003–2011 Element, 2002–2004 Odyssey, 2002–2007 Pilot, 2006 Ridgeline; 2002–2003 CL and TL, 2005 RL, 2003–2006 MDX
Mazda: 2003–2007 Mazda 6, 2006–2007 Mazdaspeed 6, 2004 MPV, 2004–2008 RX-8
Nissan/Infiniti: 2001–2003 vehicles (complete model list and most years unknown)
Subaru: 2003–2004 Baja, Legacy, Outback; 2004 Impreza
Toyota/Lexus: 2003–2005 Corolla, Matrix, Sequoia, Tundra; 2003–2005 SC430



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Stephanie Erdman's life changed forever in September of last year.

The Florida woman was involved in a collision in a Honda Civic.
The airbag exploded and sent shrapnel into her face.

Two people have died -- an 18 year old in Oklahoma and a mother of three in Virginia -- when the airbags did not perform as designed.

A coroner's report in California links a third death.

A government database shows more than 100 people have reported being hurt. All from airbags manufactured by the Takata Corporation of Japan.

"This is one of the deadliest defects that we have ever seen," says Ditlow. "Yet 10 years later we are just beginning to get to the bottom of it."

Documents filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, or NHTSA, show Honda, the biggest buyer of Takata airbags, first learned about an exploding airbag in 2004. They recalled about 4,000 cars in 2008. The recalls have now reached 11 million vehicles.

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Suppose to help saved life end up takes life.
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post Oct 23 2014, 08:45 AM

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Proton not on the list. Proton FTW!!!

Anyway, i think this news was quiet awhile ago.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Oct 23 2014, 09:01 AM
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post Oct 23 2014, 09:06 AM

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Damn man, lucky my car model is not in the list. Many Honda models and also Mazda 6. Only older models. THe new models should be ok.
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post Oct 23 2014, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 23 2014, 08:45 AM)
Proton not on the list. Proton FTW!!!

Anyway, i think this news was quiet awhile ago.
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post Oct 23 2014, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(foohoa @ Oct 23 2014, 09:06 AM)
syukur kancil tiada airbag
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My old Savvy also dun have...must be in high demand now after this news...damn...
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QUOTE(ryder_78 @ Oct 23 2014, 09:06 AM)
Damn man, lucky my car model is not in the list. Many Honda models and also Mazda 6. Only older models. THe new models should be ok.
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Mine in the list sweat.gif .....Anyone interested to buy a 2005 Honda Civic ?
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post Oct 23 2014, 09:55 AM

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for previous thread started on this June 2014, here is the link

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3267999/


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post Oct 23 2014, 09:58 AM

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Looks like what prevent you from being killed is actually killing you...
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"If you want people to drive more safely you have to get rid of seatbelts, airbags and all the other things that make things safer for the driver, and replace them with a six inch spike on the steering wheel pointing towards the driver's chest. Now that would make you drive f***ing carefully, wouldn't it!"


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QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 23 2014, 09:09 AM)
My old Savvy also dun have...must be in high demand now after this news...damn...
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are you nuts??? what logic is that... jus buy whatever car that has the killer airbag after pressing the price down and throw the airbag away la...
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QUOTE(nm7 @ Oct 23 2014, 11:52 AM)
are you nuts??? what logic is that... jus buy whatever car that has the killer airbag after pressing the price down and throw the airbag away la...
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Betul jugak....shocking.gif..must start business to remove Airbags!!! brows.gif
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 23 2014, 12:04 PM)
Betul jugak....shocking.gif..must start business to remove Airbags!!!  brows.gif
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tats more like it... me first line up got discount or not...

and do you bypass srs warning lights cause i have been trying to swap for an omp steering for the longest time possible buy can't figure out how to bypass that damn blinking srs light if i disconnect my airbag...

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post Oct 23 2014, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(nm7 @ Oct 23 2014, 12:08 PM)
tats more like it... me first line up got discount or not...

and do you bypass srs warning lights cause i have been trying to swap for an omp steering for the longest time possible buy can't figure out how to bypass that damn blinking srs light if i disconnect my airbag...
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Use a black marker pen and draw it over. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Oct 23 2014, 12:39 PM)
Use a black marker pen and draw it over. tongue.gif
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that's genius... plain genius....
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QUOTE(nm7 @ Oct 23 2014, 12:08 PM)
tats more like it... me first line up got discount or not...

and do you bypass srs warning lights cause i have been trying to swap for an omp steering for the longest time possible buy can't figure out how to bypass that damn blinking srs light if i disconnect my airbag...
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My method very simple.
1) Put brick on accelerator
2) Crash car
3) Airbag deployed
4) Cut Airbag with scissors.

Kaw-tim. Give you 70% discount for being first customer. Mali mali.
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 23 2014, 01:11 PM)
My method very simple.
1) Put brick on accelerator
2) Crash car
3) Airbag deployed
4) Cut Airbag with scissors.

Kaw-tim. Give you 70% discount for being first customer. Mali mali.
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that is so many steps... can't you just smack the front bumper with your man bag or something like that?


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post Oct 23 2014, 03:50 PM

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It does sound and look a lot like the Final Destination series. Just a weird thought that the device that's meant to save lives are now killing lives by launching pieces of metal shrapnel onto the occupants when the airbags are deployed. It's better that the airbags fail to deploy in the event of an accident in this case, though I understand that in most accidents airbags usually don't deploy either due to defective airbags or the angle of collision that does not trigger the airbag activation.
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post Oct 23 2014, 04:40 PM

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hence airbags are overrated after all
syukur Vios top spec only offer 2 airbags

lesser airbags, lesser problems
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post Oct 23 2014, 04:42 PM

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So what's next? Lesser people buy Iriz because got 6 airbags?



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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Oct 23 2014, 04:42 PM)
So what's next? Lesser people buy Iriz because got 6 airbags?
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metal fly everywhere like fragmental grenade when deployed biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ Oct 23 2014, 08:29 AM)
Looks like many models are affected, though they are older models year 2000-2006. Apparently even though there are recalls in the US, defective airbags are still in use in the US. Looks like people are expecting for the airbags to stay in their respective compartments for life, not expecting the airbags to deploy. If that's the case, might be better to produce cars without air bags at all.

Car models affected:-

BMW: 2000–2006 3-series sedan and wagon; 2000–2006 3-series coupe and convertible
Chrysler: 2006 Dodge Charger (additional models unknown as of now)
Ford: 2004 Ranger, 2005–2006 GT, 2005–2007 Mustang
General Motors: 2003–2005 Pontiac Vibe, 2013–2014 Cruze (different Takata module, similar problem)
Honda/Acura: 2001–2007 Accord, 2001–2005 Civic, 2002–2006 CR-V, 2003–2011 Element, 2002–2004 Odyssey, 2002–2007 Pilot, 2006 Ridgeline; 2002–2003 CL and TL, 2005 RL, 2003–2006 MDX
Mazda: 2003–2007 Mazda 6, 2006–2007 Mazdaspeed 6, 2004 MPV, 2004–2008 RX-8
Nissan/Infiniti: 2001–2003 vehicles (complete model list and most years unknown)
Subaru: 2003–2004 Baja, Legacy, Outback; 2004 Impreza
Toyota/Lexus: 2003–2005 Corolla, Matrix, Sequoia, Tundra; 2003–2005 SC430
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Stephanie Erdman's life changed forever in September of last year.

The Florida woman was involved in a collision in a Honda Civic.
The airbag exploded and sent shrapnel into her face.

Two people have died -- an 18 year old in Oklahoma and a mother of three in Virginia -- when the airbags did not perform as designed.

A coroner's report in California links a third death.

A government database shows more than 100 people have reported being hurt. All from airbags manufactured by the Takata Corporation of Japan.

"This is one of the deadliest defects that we have ever seen," says Ditlow. "Yet 10 years later we are just beginning to get to the bottom of it."

Documents filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, or NHTSA, show Honda, the biggest buyer of Takata airbags, first learned about an exploding airbag in 2004. They recalled about 4,000 cars in 2008. The recalls have now reached 11 million vehicles.
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Keep in mind that there are, like, 10 victims of this? Versus thousands of lives that were saved by an airbag. So in the end it's still better to have airbags, even though there might be an occasional freak accident where you'd wish you didn't have one.

Airbags also don't deploy when you don't wear seatbelts, which is good, because then airbags are indeed very dangerous.
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Oct 23 2014, 04:42 PM)
So what's next? Lesser people buy Iriz because got 6 airbags?
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how sure are we proton use Takata? hmm.gif
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post Oct 24 2014, 04:57 PM

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Audi also recalling..

http://paultan.org/2014/10/24/audi-a4-reca...s-airbag-issue/
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QUOTE(fix24311 @ Oct 23 2014, 11:01 PM)
how sure are we proton use Takata? hmm.gif
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not sure... but this being malaysia.. we are going to assume it just is...

so, 6 months down the road... news will appear that a car load full of people got into an accident and all passengers including driver all got their head decapitated by metal shrapnel flying out from the 6 airbags...

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QUOTE(nm7 @ Oct 24 2014, 05:33 PM)
not sure... but this being malaysia.. we are going to assume it just is...

so, 6 months down the road... news will appear that a car load full of people got into an accident and all passengers including driver all got their head decapitated by metal shrapnel flying out from the 6 airbags...
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i think can safely say proton didn't use takata (on Preve at least) because all of the accidents involving Preve, the airbag really did deployed but the driver and passengers are safe without serious injuries
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QUOTE(fix24311 @ Oct 24 2014, 05:39 PM)
i think can safely say proton didn't use takata (on Preve at least) because all of the accidents involving Preve, the airbag really did deployed but the driver and passengers are safe without serious injuries
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i was jus being sarcastic...
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Last time I got into an accident with my proton Suprima S hit the front car (Vios). The Vios driver suddenly brake because there was some idiot crossing over the road.
For the first time, the front panel 2 air bags deployed and save my head from hitting the steering. There was no shrapnel nor anything dangerous. So no, proton do not use Takata. smile.gif
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post Oct 25 2014, 08:36 PM

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Proton airbags are supplied by Autoliv-Hiratako
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http://online.wsj.com/articles/audi-recall...-fix-1414071876

not related to Takata.
get facts right first before posting
not all eggs come from same basket.

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QUOTE(nm7 @ Oct 24 2014, 05:33 PM)
not sure... but this being malaysia.. we are going to assume it just is...

so, 6 months down the road... news will appear that a car load full of people got into an accident and all passengers including driver all got their head decapitated by metal shrapnel flying out from the 6 airbags...
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You seem to like to exaggerate a lot of things in your post to make them look funny. In actual fact your jokes aren't too funny. The head won't get decapitated by metal flying metal shrapnels. They will just get embedded on the outer flesh of the face.
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QUOTE(StormFox @ Oct 25 2014, 09:59 PM)
http://online.wsj.com/articles/audi-recall...-fix-1414071876

not related to Takata.
get facts right first before posting
not all eggs come from same basket.
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I have never said it is related to Takata. Read my comment in paultan
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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ Oct 26 2014, 09:54 AM)
You seem to like to exaggerate a lot of things in your post to make them look funny. In actual fact your jokes aren't too funny. The head won't get decapitated by metal flying metal shrapnels. They will just get embedded on the outer flesh of the face.
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i think anyone with more than 2 brain cells knows that would not happen... so, why do i need to state the obvious?

this is not parliament lar... we don't need to be in round table discussions in full drawn serious faces...

as for the funny bit... i never tried to claim i was funny in any way... i was just trying out the annoying bit...
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QUOTE(nm7 @ Oct 27 2014, 09:13 AM)
i think anyone with more than 2 brain cells knows that would not happen... so, why do i need to state the obvious?

this is not parliament lar... we don't need to be in round table discussions in full drawn serious faces...

as for the funny bit... i never tried to claim i was funny in any way... i was just trying out the annoying bit...
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Okay, if that is what you believe.
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Dont u guys worry.. Umw will announce not affected malaysian car.. As usual

As for anti proton fans.. U guys dun have to worry as well.. Cause everyone doubt proton airbag will ever deploy also.. (chabutz)

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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ Oct 27 2014, 09:39 AM)
Okay, if that is what you believe.
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you are either implying that there are more stupid people around or i am lying to myself?
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Oct 27 2014, 09:50 AM)
Dont u guys worry.. Umw will announce not affected malaysian car.. As usual

As for anti proton fans.. U guys dun have to worry as well.. Cause everyone doubt proton airbag will ever deploy also.. (chabutz)
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ei... dun try to be funny la... nanti volkswagen rage...
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QUOTE(Megaboyz @ Oct 25 2014, 04:40 PM)
Last time I got into an accident with my proton Suprima S hit the front car (Vios). The Vios driver suddenly brake because there was some idiot crossing over the road.
For the first time, the front panel 2 air bags deployed and save my head from hitting the steering. There was no shrapnel nor anything dangerous. So no, proton do not use Takata. smile.gif
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You make it sounded like Suprima deployed the front 2 air bags automatically before the collision happened. Never know Suprima got head-on collision prevention (literally head-on collision). tongue.gif


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QUOTE(StormFox @ Oct 25 2014, 09:59 PM)
not related to Takata.
get facts right first before posting
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QUOTE(nm7 @ Oct 27 2014, 09:59 AM)
ei... dun try to be funny la... nanti volkswagen rage...
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I didnt mention vw worrrr...
Vw dsg n engine no problem jo maa... Announce jo.. Must be those butthurt owner nagging now (chabutz)
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Oct 27 2014, 10:03 AM)
I didnt mention vw worrrr...
Vw dsg n engine no problem jo maa... Announce jo.. Must be those butthurt owner nagging now (chabutz)
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i tarak tau la... the world is getting complicated and very hard to understand the mindset of people..
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Oct 27 2014, 10:03 AM)
I didnt mention vw worrrr...
Vw dsg n engine no problem jo maa... Announce jo.. Must be those butthurt owner nagging now (chabutz)
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Even if got problem, you can order the parts cheaply available from ebay, aliexpress or taobao as claimed by someone, so is no problem already. Problem solved.



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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Oct 27 2014, 10:34 AM)
Even if got problem, you can order the parts cheaply available from ebay, aliexpress or taobao as claimed by someone, so is no problem already. Problem solved.
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Good good.. Guess i will be visiting vw showroom soon!
Anything issue can resolve cheaply!! Good...
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http://paultan.org/2013/04/11/toyota-safet...ll-camry-altis/

http://paultan.org/2014/06/24/honda-malays...r-airbag-fault/

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post Oct 27 2014, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Oct 27 2014, 09:50 AM)
Dont u guys worry.. Umw will announce not affected malaysian car.. As usual

As for anti proton fans.. U guys dun have to worry as well.. Cause everyone doubt proton airbag will ever deploy also.. (chabutz)
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but some soh hai go and mod his car from 2 airbags to 7 airbags wor....
mai higher risk lo icon_question.gif sweat.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Oct 27 2014, 11:39 AM)
but some soh hai go and mod his car from 2 airbags to 7 airbags wor....
mai higher risk lo icon_question.gif  sweat.gif  doh.gif
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post Oct 27 2014, 11:46 AM

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no wonder my colleague said if carsh in i40 going to die due to crush by its 9 airbags laugh.gif
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you are either implying that there are more stupid people around or i am lying to myself?
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I wouldn't use the word "Stupid". I would say naive and gullible. In other context, some people would be so gullible that they would regard some posted drivel as authentic useful advice.
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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ Oct 27 2014, 12:09 PM)
I wouldn't use the word "Stupid". I would say naive and gullible. In other context, some people would be so gullible that they would regard some posted drivel as authentic useful advice.
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In this day and age of marketing and advertising... everyone is naive and gullible.. else, why do you think there is so many complaints about everything...

you still gonna call them that word at the end of the day anyway...
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Oct 27 2014, 09:50 AM)
Dont u guys worry.. Umw will announce not affected malaysian car.. As usual

As for anti proton fans.. U guys dun have to worry as well.. Cause everyone doubt proton airbag will ever deploy also.. (chabutz)
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That applies more to Honta than Toyota. Korean makes not there coz it uses Korean or European airbags, not Japanese. Honta City many airbags while Cerato only 2. So Honta City anyone? As mentioned, the car's frame itself is more important and airbag is there to assist.

Never rely on airbags too much, forgot to wear seatbelt or faulty seatbelt could also get killed by airbag. I prefer cars with 2 airbags enough oledi. I don't want to have that many bombs in my car as airbag is deployed with explosive device blowing air inflating the airbag in just seconds. That kind of force could kill without the airbag straining the passenger limiting from going further front during collision.
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i am still scratching my head over what is just read....
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i am still scratching my head over what is just read....
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Better switch to electric vehicles.

When driving internal combustion engine cars, there is a metal block a few feet from your balls with thousands of explosions happening in it every minute icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Oct 27 2014, 10:34 AM)
Even if got problem, you can order the parts cheaply available from ebay, aliexpress or taobao as claimed by someone, so is no problem already. Problem solved.
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Lelong.com got? Or lowyat.net garage sales??
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Oct 30 2014, 11:14 PM)
That applies more to Honta than Toyota. Korean makes not there coz it uses Korean or European airbags, not Japanese. Honta City many airbags while Cerato only 2. So Honta City anyone? As mentioned, the car's frame itself is more important and airbag is there to assist.

Never rely on airbags too much, forgot to wear seatbelt or faulty seatbelt could also get killed by airbag. I prefer cars with 2 airbags enough oledi. I don't want to have that many bombs in my car as airbag is deployed with explosive device blowing air inflating the airbag in just seconds. That kind of force could kill without the airbag straining the passenger limiting from going further front during collision.
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QUOTE(dares @ Oct 31 2014, 03:52 AM)
When driving internal combustion engine cars, there is a metal block a few feet from your balls with thousands of explosions happening in it every minute  icon_question.gif
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All hail Professor Jay!!!
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i am still scratching my head over what is just read....
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U must be new to prof jay.. Most of us got used to it..
Hi prof!
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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ Oct 23 2014, 08:29 AM)
Looks like many models are affected, though they are older models year 2000-2006. Apparently even though there are recalls in the US, defective airbags are still in use in the US. Looks like people are expecting for the airbags to stay in their respective compartments for life, not expecting the airbags to deploy. If that's the case, might be better to produce cars without air bags at all.

Car models affected:-

BMW: 2000–2006 3-series sedan and wagon; 2000–2006 3-series coupe and convertible
Chrysler: 2006 Dodge Charger (additional models unknown as of now)
Ford: 2004 Ranger, 2005–2006 GT, 2005–2007 Mustang
General Motors: 2003–2005 Pontiac Vibe, 2013–2014 Cruze (different Takata module, similar problem)
Honda/Acura: 2001–2007 Accord, 2001–2005 Civic, 2002–2006 CR-V, 2003–2011 Element, 2002–2004 Odyssey, 2002–2007 Pilot, 2006 Ridgeline; 2002–2003 CL and TL, 2005 RL, 2003–2006 MDX
Mazda: 2003–2007 Mazda 6, 2006–2007 Mazdaspeed 6, 2004 MPV, 2004–2008 RX-8
Nissan/Infiniti: 2001–2003 vehicles (complete model list and most years unknown)
Subaru: 2003–2004 Baja, Legacy, Outback; 2004 Impreza
Toyota/Lexus: 2003–2005 Corolla, Matrix, Sequoia, Tundra; 2003–2005 SC430
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Stephanie Erdman's life changed forever in September of last year.

The Florida woman was involved in a collision in a Honda Civic.
The airbag exploded and sent shrapnel into her face.

Two people have died -- an 18 year old in Oklahoma and a mother of three in Virginia -- when the airbags did not perform as designed.

A coroner's report in California links a third death.

A government database shows more than 100 people have reported being hurt. All from airbags manufactured by the Takata Corporation of Japan.

"This is one of the deadliest defects that we have ever seen," says Ditlow. "Yet 10 years later we are just beginning to get to the bottom of it."

Documents filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, or NHTSA, show Honda, the biggest buyer of Takata airbags, first learned about an exploding airbag in 2004. They recalled about 4,000 cars in 2008. The recalls have now reached 11 million vehicles.
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Can anyone please let me know whether Honda City 2006 model is affected? It is not in the list but maybe Honda City is marketed under another name in the US? Anyone knows? notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(highcourt @ Oct 31 2014, 08:24 AM)
Can anyone please let me know whether Honda City 2006 model is affected? It is not in the list but maybe Honda City is marketed under another name in the US? Anyone knows?  notworthy.gif
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Honda city not sold in US la... but city share many parts with Jazz/Fit.
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QUOTE(dares @ Oct 31 2014, 03:52 AM)
Better switch to electric vehicles.

When driving internal combustion engine cars, there is a metal block a few feet from your balls with thousands of explosions happening in it every minute  icon_question.gif
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Then say electric shocks and battery explosion have much higher chance than say, airbag 'explosion'.

internal combustion engine... is just combustion, not explosion. Otherwise it would be called internal explosion engine.

But then our professor might say once the valve lift, combustion becomes explosion, thus more power.


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Anyway, with such defect, do those car suddenly become Euro NCAP negative star?



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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Oct 31 2014, 08:54 AM)
Then say electric shocks and battery explosion have much higher chance than say, airbag 'explosion'.

internal combustion engine... is just combustion, not explosion. Otherwise it would be called internal explosion engine.

But then our professor might say once the valve lift, combustion becomes explosion, thus more power.
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I thought there was a couple of case Tesla S caught fire and burnt.

Btw, saw a charging station for Nissan Leaf in IPC/Ikea there in the carpark.

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 31 2014, 09:25 AM)
I thought there was a  couple of case Tesla S caught fire and burnt.

Btw, saw a charging station for Nissan Leaf in IPC/Ikea there in the carpark.
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Isit from thailand?? Else fake geh.. Prof only ptefer broucher from thailand
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U must be new to prof jay.. Most of us got used to it..
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I so stupid kenot understand also can become professor ah?
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Anyway, with such defect, do those car suddenly become Euro NCAP negative star?
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Positive stars...and maximum five stars

p/s: the New Car Accident Policy NCAP...guarantee to accident
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I so stupid kenot understand also can become professor ah?
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its not stupid ... its think out of the box ..
newton was being laugh before he succeed..
same as Einstein .. prof jay have good future geh ..

He is the one and only person whom can find the holy grail of anti roll bars which weights 50kg.
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Oct 31 2014, 09:55 AM)
its not stupid ... its think out of the box ..
newton was being laugh before he succeed..
same as Einstein .. prof jay have good future geh ..

He is the one and only person whom can find the holy grail of anti roll bars which weights 50kg.
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You mean he might be our saviour and prevent armageddon?

God bless professor...
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You mean he might be our saviour and prevent armageddon?

God bless professor...
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in a way yes ...

he speak the truth nothing but the truth and only the truth..

and he have some frens behind that can give him all the information he want... rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Oct 31 2014, 10:11 AM)
in a way yes ...

he speak the truth nothing but the truth and only the truth..

and he have some frens behind that can give him all the information he want...  rclxm9.gif
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My gawd... We are so lucky to have professor...
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Oct 31 2014, 08:54 AM)
internal combustion engine... is just combustion, not explosion. Otherwise it would be called internal explosion engine.

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Same la

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/explosion?s=t

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explosion
[ik-sploh-zhuh n]

noun
1.
an act or instance of exploding; a violent expansion or bursting with noise, as of gunpowder or a boiler (opposed to implosion ).
2.
the noise itself:
The loud explosion woke them.
3.
a violent outburst, as of laughter or anger.
4.
a sudden, rapid, or great increase:
a population explosion.
5.
the burning of the mixture of fuel and air in an internal-combustion engine.
6.
Phonetics, plosion.
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Oct 31 2014, 09:55 AM)

He is the one and only person whom can find the holy grail of anti roll bars which weights 50kg.
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I thought it was invented by him ? hmm.gif
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I thought it was invented by him ?  hmm.gif
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No worzz he says his engineer fren told him geh

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Oct 31 2014, 08:54 AM)
Then say electric shocks and battery explosion have much higher chance than say, airbag 'explosion'.

internal combustion engine... is just combustion, not explosion. Otherwise it would be called internal explosion engine.

But then our professor might say once the valve lift, combustion becomes explosion, thus more power.
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same la bro
just that inside engine that explosion is under controlled
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QUOTE(nm7 @ Oct 31 2014, 09:51 AM)
I so stupid kenot understand also can become professor ah?
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Brochure & assumption knowledge > experience
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Oct 31 2014, 09:25 AM)
I thought there was a  couple of case Tesla S caught fire and burnt.

Btw, saw a charging station for Nissan Leaf in IPC/Ikea there in the carpark.
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It is possible. However those cars were involved in an accident or pierced by some heavy metal piece from below (the ride height is quite low on the highway to make it more slippery, but that means stuff on the road is more likely to hit it). The Tesla is armoured from below to protect the battery, so imagine this had happened to a normal car! They did thicken the armour and won't lower the car as much anymore (issued a software update). The fire is also rather slow, not an explosion. You'll have plenty of time getting out of the car if it does indeed happen.

Also petrol cars are much more likely to start a fire, but it happens so often that it's not news. Unlike it is some super car.

It's much more likely to die from alcohol or cigarettes than from terrorism, but people are motr scared of terrorism because that's what is on the news.

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QUOTE(dares @ Oct 31 2014, 03:52 AM)
Better switch to electric vehicles.

When driving internal combustion engine cars, there is a metal block a few feet from your balls with thousands of explosions happening in it every minute  icon_question.gif
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The worst explosion involving car engines due to never changed engine oil only punched a hole through the engine block. Even that doesn't damage anything else apart from the engine block.

Instead, you use electric vehicles with larger batteries, the risk is much higher than you driving petrol/diesel powered combustion engines. There was an old case where standard 12v car battery exploded due to overcharge. Imagine you sitting on large battery on the floor of your car's chassis crossmember, an explosion would be deadlier.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Nov 1 2014, 01:06 AM)
It is possible. However those cars were involved in an accident or pierced by some heavy metal piece from below (the ride height is quite low on the highway to make it more slippery, but that means stuff on the road is more likely to hit it). The Tesla is armoured from below to protect the battery, so imagine this had happened to a normal car! They did thicken the armour and won't lower the car as much anymore (issued a software update). The fire is also rather slow, not an explosion. You'll have plenty of time getting out of the car if it does indeed happen.

Also petrol cars are much more likely to start a fire, but it happens so often that it's not news. Unlike it is some super car.

It's much more likely to die from alcohol or cigarettes than from terrorism, but people are motr scared of terrorism because that's what is on the news.
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Cars that caught fire either:
1) the wiring has been messed with especially Ah Beng who modified their car to have powerful audio hi-fi system.
2) the car engine's fuel supply line & electrical wiring design are badly located like old BMW that has the fuel supply line passing over the dynamo, when there's leakage, the fuel drops directly on the alternator that a single spark could cause fire. In old Merc C-Class, the insulation soft padding was badly fitted being too close to the engine hot exhaust that it risk catching fire easily as the heat causing it to burn. The padding is light blue in colour separating the engine compartment from passenger compartment.
3) Japanese, Korean cars rarely to never catch fire in accident compared to conti in the old days. If the conti has realised this and changed their mindset to care more on failsafe common sense instead of focus solely on performance, they would have fix this issue.

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Nov 1 2014, 10:53 PM)
Instead, you use electric vehicles with larger batteries, the risk is much higher than you driving petrol/diesel powered combustion engines.
actually it's not really one large battery... it's a collection of linked up batteries that forms the battery system of an electric vehicle...

so, chain reaction?
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Nov 1 2014, 11:00 PM)
3) Japanese, Korean cars rarely to never catch fire in accident compared to conti in the old days.
yeah.. you're so right..
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in the old days, they don't catch fire...that, or this is actually not made by japanese...
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QUOTE(nm7 @ Nov 2 2014, 05:11 PM)
yeah.. you're so right..
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in the old days, they don't catch fire...that, or this is actually not made by japanese...
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Woi.. Boh tak chek ah? Prof say 1 u dare say 2?
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Woi.. Boh tak chek ah? Prof say 1 u dare say 2?
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yeah.. you're so right..
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in the old days, they don't catch fire...that, or this is actually not made by japanese...
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You see this VW on fire. Wait, or is it a peugeot? hmm.gif

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You see this VW on fire. Wait, or is it a peugeot?  hmm.gif

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Looks like a saab to me
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You see this VW on fire. Wait, or is it a peugeot?  hmm.gif

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I donno isit a vw or peugeot.. But this car standard as high as an bentley.. Or even higher
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You see this VW on fire. Wait, or is it a peugeot?  hmm.gif

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Sai proton saga convert to like that lo... Should have buy the real thing. Go buy a proton and convert doh.gif
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You see this VW on fire. Wait, or is it a peugeot?  hmm.gif

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Hmm... hmm.gif

This one purposely set on fire to halau nyamuk in the hutan area there right ?
After one month burning still going strong... the versatility of that car never cease to amaze our Malaysian
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Hmm...  hmm.gif

This one purposely set on fire to halau nyamuk in the hutan area there right ? 
After one month burning still going strong... the versatility of that car never cease to amaze our Malaysian
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tats y god car status...
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tats y god car status...
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No where near prof forte thou.. At 1600 rpm his 1.6L is getting 90% of the torque that his engine can produce jo..
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No where near prof forte thou.. At 1600 rpm his 1.6L is getting 90% of the torque that his engine can produce jo..
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No where near prof forte thou.. At 1600 rpm his 1.6L is getting 90% of the torque that his engine can produce jo..
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my gawd!!! does it produce flat torque all the way?
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need to activate boost punya, press button and boost kicks in.
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like vtec just kicked in yo?
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like vtec just kicked in yo?
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no no, vtec need high rpm, this one is press button, like NOS
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no no, vtec need high rpm, this one is press button, like NOS
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NOS???

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tat jus bcome my new favorite demotivational poster replacing this
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in the old days, they don't catch fire...that, or this is actually not made by japanese...
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that's a track car you posted. I am referring common saloon car on the road, stock non-defective everything ori and without modified wiring. Check my list, modified cars especially with tampered wiring not included in safe zone.
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Statistically it is very likely for a petrol car to catch fire, compared to very unlikely for an electric car.

Also Toyota recently had a recall due to a faulty power window switch. It could start a fire.
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that's a track car you posted. I am referring common saloon car on the road, stock non-defective everything ori and without modified wiring. Check my list, modified cars especially with tampered wiring not included in safe zone.
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cars that goes to a racing circuit doesn't mean it's necessarily a track car...it can still be driven on the common roads without much intervention from the law...
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cars that goes to a racing circuit doesn't mean it's necessarily a track car...it can still be driven on the common roads without much intervention from the law...
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Why argue with prof?
Next he will ask u.. How u know it is not modify?


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Why argue with prof?
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okokokok... saya sudah insaf... sorry prof...

i will go perform seppuku now...
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I really don't understand how some people here just change the subject of the issue. This is Sushi Takata car-airbag quality issue why brought as if the airbag that causing the issue. Still blindly support the brand? Just look at today the result of crash test of several sushi brand, from 0 star to 3 star only.
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Nov 13 2014, 02:56 PM)
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...a-widens-recall

Malaysian driver in 5th air bag-linked fatality, Honda widens recall

Published: 13 November 2014

Honda Motor Co said today that a driver in Malaysia had died after a July accident involving an air bag supplied by Takata Corp, and widened its recall for the defective air bags by another 170,000 vehicles.

In the fatal accident, involving a 2003 Honda City model, the air bag inflator ruptured and sent shrapnel into the vehicle, some of which struck the driver, Honda said, adding it was not clear whether the woman driver was killed by the air bag explosion or another cause, citing a local police report.

Honda did not give the woman's name or age.

Before Thursday's disclosure, Takata's air bags had been linked to at least four deaths in the United States, all in Honda vehicles. All of those victims were hit by shrapnel ejected by the air bag.

Honda said the Takata air bag inflator that failed in the Malaysia accident had been made at the supplier's now-shuttered plant in La Grange, Georgia.

Honda said it was recalling five models as part of a widening campaign, including the Fit and Civic. None of the affected models were sold in North America.

The expanded recall covers air bag inflators made at Takata's Georgia plant between November 2001 and November 2003, Honda said.

Defective Takata air bags remain the target of a U.S. safety investigation over the risk they could explode with dangerous force in an accident and shoot metal shards into the vehicle. More than 17 million vehicles have been recalled globally for flawed Takata air bags since 2008. – Reuters, November 13, 2014.
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http://paultan.org/2014/11/13/honda-malays...-takata-airbag/

"If you own any of the cars affected, it is imperative to send them in to be repaired as soon as possible, and to stay away from the front passenger seat until the issue has been resolved."

rclxms.gif rclxms.gif best advice of the day.
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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Nov 13 2014, 06:51 PM)
http://paultan.org/2014/11/13/honda-malays...-takata-airbag/

"If you own any of the cars affected, it is imperative to send them in to be repaired as soon as possible, and to stay away from the front passenger seat until the issue has been resolved."

rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif best advice of the day.
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Front passenger can opt to seat at rear.
How about the driver? icon_question.gif
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Front passenger can opt to seat at rear.
How about the driver? icon_question.gif
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Driver can seat at the rear and drive with foot.
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Full face helmet also can! icon_idea.gif

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Full face helmet also can! icon_idea.gif

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this mask does not protect neck and chest, should get an iron man suit instead
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Ini macam can ah
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dat is wicked....
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just now news got mentioned carmakers going for recall ,right?


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Here, you might want to read this.

https://my.news.yahoo.com/honda-reports-exp...2--finance.html

It has reached here, claiming 1 local woman's life. Still no recall? Anyone still want to buy Honta? New ones got more airbags since they have thin frames with less protection that would cave in easily upon impact. As told many times, passive safety is top priority followed by active safety which is secondary. Not supposed to depend on active safety alone.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Nov 15 2014, 12:52 AM)
Here, you might want to read this.

It has reached here, claiming 1 local woman's life. Still no recall? Anyone still want to buy Honta?
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let the koreans takeover then high competition that will benefit the awaiting customers flex.gif
Then just hope for a better comeback biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(wayfeel @ Nov 15 2014, 01:17 AM)
I hope honda sales will freefall. let ppl buy become cheap cheap biggrin.gif
let the koreans takeover then high competition that will benefit the awaiting customers  flex.gif
Then just hope for a better comeback  biggrin.gif

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Any links where I can see the photo of victims? There are 139 injury cases so far with 5 fatalities. How come can't find much info on google? Got cover up or something blocking our access?
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Nov 15 2014, 06:45 PM)
Any links where I can see the photo of victims? There are 139 injury cases so far with 5 fatalities. How come can't find much info on google? Got cover up or something blocking our access?
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I will give u ur favourite quote...

Go google urself la!
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Any links where I can see the photo of victims? There are 139 injury cases so far with 5 fatalities. How come can't find much info on google? Got cover up or something blocking our access?
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U need to redirect with google dns... Malaysia gahmen is hiding somethin
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Nov 15 2014, 12:52 AM)
Here, you might want to read this.

https://my.news.yahoo.com/honda-reports-exp...2--finance.html

It has reached here, claiming 1 local woman's life. Still no recall? Anyone still want to buy Honta? New ones got more airbags since they have thin frames with less protection that would cave in easily upon impact. As told many times, passive safety is top priority followed by active safety which is secondary. Not supposed to depend on active safety alone.
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honda malaysia website already listed a recall for identified cars...
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The other thread tutup jo..

I really want to know from prof jay and friends, whether is Nissan cheating saying that GTR using dual clutch but actually is single clutch sequencial gearbox (F1 technology) or is F1 cheating whereby they are actually using dual clutch system in F1 racing..
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Honda air bag victim was in final week of pregnancy
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...ek-of-pregnancy
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Nov 16 2014, 09:33 AM)
The other thread tutup jo..

I really want to know from prof jay and friends, whether is Nissan cheating saying that GTR using dual clutch but actually is single clutch sequencial gearbox (F1 technology) or is F1 cheating whereby they are actually using dual clutch system in F1 racing..
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shhhhiiiiaaaaatttt... this is bigger than spygate man..

then CBA-R35 owners can swap for this already...
http://www.ricardo.com/en-GB/Our-Markets/H...sions/Products/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R#F...ld_Championship

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QUOTE(nm7 @ Nov 16 2014, 11:38 AM)
shhhhiiiiaaaaatttt... this is bigger than spygate man..

then CBA-R35 owners can swap for this already...
http://www.ricardo.com/en-GB/Our-Markets/H...sions/Products/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R#F...ld_Championship
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Swap apa!! Prof jay said is F1 technology.. So we need to know nissan or F1 cheating now
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And plodua also installed takata into its cars? Plotom? Haiyadai?
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Swap apa!! Prof jay said is F1 technology.. So we need to know nissan or F1 cheating now
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Yea....f@k i am so stupid...prof make me look like a total n00b..
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QUOTE(nm7 @ Nov 16 2014, 11:38 AM)
shhhhiiiiaaaaatttt... this is bigger than spygate man..

then CBA-R35 owners can swap for this already...
http://www.ricardo.com/en-GB/Our-Markets/H...sions/Products/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R#F...ld_Championship
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You put anything unusual in your car, when it gets faulty, there won't be anyone could repair. You'll end up buying brand new having to pay for shipping, high tax and GST. Don't expect the price to be cheap, when it reaches here, it would be double especially this gearbox is not manufactured in Japan but Europe some more. Tax is charge on total sums of price of goods + shipping fee. If Honta City CVT gearbox in 2008 costs RM17k plus labour & fitting close to RM20k. Next year onwards you expect even higher with double tax.

This GTR racing gearbox, how much would it be? RM40-60k nett? Don't forget the technical labour charge and cost of replacing the gearbox of old with new one. No trade in nor discount, you can take home the faulty old gearbox & paying lorry fees if you think they are making money out of it. Most would leave the old gearbox behind as there's no use of it unless you want to sell at kedai besi buruk.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Nov 29 2014, 11:52 PM)
You put anything unusual in your car, when it gets faulty, there won't be anyone could repair. You'll end up buying brand new having to pay for shipping, high tax and GST. Don't expect the price to be cheap, when it reaches here, it would be double especially this  gearbox is not manufactured in Japan but Europe some more. Tax is charge on total sums of price of goods + shipping fee. If Honta City CVT gearbox in 2008 costs RM17k plus labour & fitting close to RM20k. Next year onwards you expect even higher with double tax.

This GTR racing gearbox, how much would it be? RM40-60k nett? Don't forget the technical labour charge and cost of replacing the gearbox of old with new one. No trade in nor discount, you can take home the faulty old gearbox & paying lorry fees if you think they are making money out of it. Most would leave the old gearbox behind as there's no use of it unless you want to sell at kedai besi buruk.
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Hey prof.. You are back!!!

No we are not interested in the cost of the GTR gearbox..
All the while the debate was about GTR using F1 gearbox technology as claim by you and your fellow engineer friends.. We are more interested to know is that Nissan lieing to us or F1 lieing.. Everyone knows it will cost a boom for the GTR gearbox.. We need to know who is lieing now..

Thanks..

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Hey prof.. You are back!!!

No we are not interested in the cost of the GTR gearbox..
All the while the debate was about GTR using F1 gearbox technology as claim by you and your fellow engineer friends.. We are more interested to know is that Nissan lieing to us or F1 lieing.. Everyone knows it will cost a boom for the GTR gearbox.. We need to know who is lieing now..

Thanks..
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The point here is, the GTR is not using normal gearbox used in common cars. Not even in super sports car. Imagine the Fatlady with CVT also can end up with no gearbox after its reel dislocated, now GTR wanted to give 1st of its kind only gearbox, expect the same fate then.

When comes to car ownership, people is more concern on whether they could afford to maintain and own the car be it rich or poor. Even if the person is rich, when he gets bored, he would want to sell off the GTR 1 day and say the gearbox damage, would you buy it second hand from him? FYI, bank loan does not lend you cash for repair mostly and nowadays, they are quite strict that they wanted to check the car condition also. Puspakom won't let you pass if the car can't even move.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Nov 30 2014, 05:15 PM)
The point here is, the GTR is not using normal gearbox used in common cars. Not even in super sports car. Imagine the Fatlady with CVT also can end up with no gearbox after its reel dislocated, now GTR wanted to give 1st of its kind only gearbox, expect the same fate then.

When comes to car ownership, people is more concern on whether they could afford to maintain and own the car be it rich or poor. Even if the person is rich, when he gets bored, he would want to sell off the GTR 1 day and say the gearbox damage, would you buy it second hand from him? FYI, bank loan does not lend you cash for repair mostly and nowadays, they are quite strict that they wanted to check the car condition also. Puspakom won't let you pass if the car can't even move.
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Wah like that also can turn ur theory from F1 gearbox to the cost... Kudos.. I think u become salesman sure very successfull.. Dead bite till alive

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https://my.news.yahoo.com/pregnant-woman-de...-231913568.html

Pregnant woman’s death a ‘wake-up call’ to Malaysia’s auto safety problems
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Welhelmo Rodriguez Caido Jr, 41, blurted out the warning as he was riding in the passenger seat of a Honda City driven by his wife, whom he endearingly called Mummy. A moment later, as they entered an intersection in the town of Sibu on July 27, a collision with an oncoming car set off the air bag with such force it knocked Caido out.

On the driver’s side, the inflator inside the air bag, made by Takata Corp (7312), malfunctioned and ruptured, firing a one-inch-wide shard of metal into the neck of his wife, Law Suk Leh.


Law, 43, and eight-and-a-half months pregnant, died on the way to the hospital, becoming the first reported casualty outside the US in the deepening air-bag crisis gripping the auto industry. In the US, Takata air bags, used by carmakers including Toyota Motor Corp (7203), Honda Motor Co and General Motors Co, have been tied to four deaths and at least 139 injuries, according to government reports, lawsuits and automaker disclosures.

“Takata deeply regrets the injuries and fatalities that have occurred in accidents involving ruptured air-bag inflators,” chairman Shigehisa Takada said in a statement. Hideyuki Matsumoto, a spokesman for Takata, declined to comment specifically on the Malaysian accident.

Safety regulations

The Malaysia crash graphically illustrates how the globalisation of the car industry also means the globalisation of auto safety problems. And unlike the US, with its network of federal and state safety agencies, recall notices and lawyers willing to pursue cases against manufacturers, drivers are at risk in Asian countries where auto safety regulations lag and authorities wash their hands of any duty to alert drivers of potentially lethal defects.

“The incident is probably a wake-up call for Malaysia and other Asian countries,” said Jochen Siebert, managing director at JSC Automotive Consulting, which advises carmakers. “People in Malaysia and other Asian countries will now ask Honda about whether their cars are affected. This will force governments to speed to the process of formalisation of regulation of safety in cars.”

Caido’s second-hand 2003 Honda wasn’t among the more than 13 million vehicles recalled worldwide because of defective Takata air bags. Honda called back another 170,000 vehicles last month after investigating the Malaysia death, Kosuke Kachi, a Tokyo-based spokesman, said by phone. Owners of affected cars were notified by mail and phone calls, and the company posted the information on its websites.
Recall Warnings

In the US, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has issued several warnings on the matter and pushed carmakers to hasten their recalls. Takata rejected its demand to expand the safety campaign nationwide, NHTSA said in a statement. The agency said it would review the air-bag maker’s response and determine the next steps.

Even so, NHTSA is still being accused by members of Congress for not doing enough. Lawmakers are questioning Tokyo-based Takata through hearings reminiscent of the scrutiny faced by GM this year over faulty ignition switches and Toyota for unintended acceleration in 2009-2010. The media report on the issue as front-page news.

The Malaysian police are leaving it up to Honda and Takata to inform the public of their faulty air bags and aren’t planning any public service campaigns to spread the message wider, said Mohd Fuad Abdul Latiff, Malaysia’s federal traffic police chief.

‘Responsibility ends’

“Our responsibility ends there,” Mohd Fuad said. Prosecutors will now pick up the case. The transport ministry did not reply to an e-mail seeking comment.

Honda didn’t disclose the Malaysia accident until November 13, though it learned in August of the incident that resulted in the deaths of Law and her unborn child. Honda, Japan’s third-largest carmaker, would disclose about two weeks later that it had underreported injuries and deaths from vehicle defects 1,729 times in the US over 11 years, eight of those cases involving ruptures of Takata air-bag inflator.

“We apologise to the people who died in Honda cars equipped with Takata-made air bags as well as their families, and we want to send our sincere condolence,” said Atsushi Ohara, a spokesman for Honda. “We will exert every effort to replace the parts for vehicles subjected to recalls.”

Road deaths

Most Asian auto-safety supervision lags behind the US. The United Nations estimates that more than 700,000 lives are lost each year through road traffic accidents, costing 1% to 3% of gross national product in economic losses. One key challenge is the availability of reliable and regular accident and fatality data, which is collected by different ministries and agencies. The lack of mechanisms to share information results in uncoordinated responses, the United Nations Economic and Social Commission for Asia and the Pacific said on its website.

In India, where road accidents claim one life every five minutes, the government is trying to pass a law to set up a NHTSA-like agency to oversee recalls and set crash-test standards. Thailand’s transport ministry and police have said they’re not aware of any incidents involving suspect airbags.

The lack of widespread knowledge of the Takata air-bag defect may be particularly dangerous in Asia. Takata has said that the air bags are most prone to malfunction in humid environments, which characterises most of Asia’s developing countries.

Legal recourse

Asians also don’t have the same avenues to seek legal recourse against manufacturers. At least nine cases have been filed this year in US courts claiming deaths or personal injuries caused by exploding Takata air bags. Takata also faces at least 50 proposed class actions in the US brought by customers seeking payment for alleged losses in vehicle value connected to the recalls, with Honda named in all but two of these cases.

Most Asian countries, by contrast, have restrictions on class actions or group litigation.

The following story is based on interviews with Caido, Malaysian authorities, hospital staff and the driver of the other vehicle. Law’s sister declined to be interviewed for the story while her uncle, who authorities said helped link her death to the air bag based on his research, couldn’t be reached for comment.

‘Wonderful Sunday’

July 27 began as a “wonderful Sunday” for Caido and his wife and their seven-year-old son, Welhelm. Caido didn’t get to spend much time with his family after he joined Adinin Works & Engineering over a year ago as an electrician in an offshore rig, where he’d have to spend eight-week stretches in between two-week breaks. Even the heat – it was Sibu’s hottest day of the year, with temperatures reaching 37 degrees Celsius – didn’t distract from the day.

The family had come there two days earlier from their home in Brunei to visit relatives before making their way to Kuching, the capital of Sarawak, where Law was due to deliver her second baby on August 16.

Caido had been with Law for 10 years and got married in 2009. The family was excited about their soon-to-come second child, who would be named Elsa after the snow queen featured in Walt Disney Co’s animated hit “Frozen”. Their son chose the name. While Caido would usually call his wife “Mummy”, she’d call him “Papa”.

In the morning, Caido bought food and some hair dye for his wife, a music teacher at the Symphony Music School in Brunei, who was greying at 43.

“I told her ‘Mummy, at our age, we have to use colour to look pretty’,” Caido said. “She was very pretty and very happy. It was a very wonderful Sunday.”

Drive home

That evening, the couple went to church and left their son behind with his grandparents because he was hyperactive. They took their car, a Honda City Law bought around 2005, with seats wrapped in plastic and still in good condition. During the drive home, with Mummy at the wheel, they talked about the coming baby and how they would care for her.

Then at around 7.40pm came the intersection.

The car opposite Caido’s was a Toyota Corolla Altis, whose driver asked not to be identified because the investigation is ongoing. The Toyota driver was headed for the night market with his brother, their girlfriends and a couple of cousins. As the driver began a right turn, his uncle, who was in a separate car behind him, honked at him to indicate he was going the wrong way. The driver said he tried to slow down when the collision occurred, though the impact wasn’t very hard.

A ‘bump’

Caido recalls the accident as more like a “bump” than a full-on collision. As he awoke from a few seconds of unconsciousness, he turned to his side and said, “Mummy, are you OK?” She didn’t respond. He quickly got out and rushed to open her door.

“I saw a lot of blood coming out from her neck,” Caido said late last month in his first media interview. “I started panicking.”

Caido tried to cover the wounds with his hands. He then shouted for assistance to remove her from the car and bring her to the hospital. Someone said they had called an ambulance.

“I said I could not wait for the ambulance and please, please if anyone could help us,’” Caido said.

Bystanders, including passengers in the Toyota, helped Caido move his wife onto the back of a Toyota Hilux pick-up truck. One witness at the scene said Law was still alive gasping for breath, though bleeding profusely.

Sibu hospital

As they rushed toward the hospital, Caido was holding his bleeding wife, uttering “don’t leave me, don’t leave me, don’t leave me.”

About 10 minutes later, they spotted an ambulance, and waved it down. As the paramedics transferred his blood-soaked wife and tried to save her, Caido sat down in the ambulance and began to pray.

At the Sibu Hospital, a doctor, after learning the length of the pregnancy, told Caido they would remove the 37-week-old foetus from the womb. While Caido didn’t yet know if his wife was alive, she had been pronounced dead on arrival.

An emergency cesarean section was performed on Law, and Elsa was rushed to the neonatal intensive care unit. Her heartbeat was weak as her mother’s death deprived her of oxygen.

A hospital staff member soon delivered the news that his wife was gone and that their baby was in critical condition.

“I was shaking,” Caido said, his voice breaking in anguish. “I could not believe it.”

The night of the accident, he returned from the hospital and went to bed with his son. In the coming days, he explained to Welhelm that his mother was in heaven, unable to tell him directly that she had died.

On July 29, two days after the accident, Caido was told Elsa wouldn’t make it because her heart was too weak. The hospital told Caido they’d detach the ventilator sustaining Elsa so he could hold his baby for the last time.

“I told her to take care of her Mummy wherever they go,” Caido said in tears. “She slowly died in my arms.” – The Edge Financial Daily, December 5, 2014.
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Sad. Looks like Honda vehicles in Malaysia are also affected by this Takata air bag. Scary to think the deployment of Takata air bag will launch metal shrapnel that will kill the occupants. Looks like this news is only published in Yahoo and Malaysian Insider. The local media is keeping quiet probably not making this a big issue with the big number of vehicles with Takata air bags.

Car distributors will have to offer recall if this issue blows up. Does anyone have any idea the year of the models which are affected? Year 2000 to 2008 models?

QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ Dec 5 2014, 06:27 PM)
Just stumbled upon this.

https://my.news.yahoo.com/pregnant-woman-de...-231913568.html

Pregnant woman’s death a ‘wake-up call’ to Malaysia’s auto safety problems
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Welhelmo Rodriguez Caido Jr, 41, blurted out the warning as he was riding in the passenger seat of a Honda City driven by his wife, whom he endearingly called Mummy. A moment later, as they entered an intersection in the town of Sibu on July 27, a collision with an oncoming car set off the air bag with such force it knocked Caido out.

On the driver’s side, the inflator inside the air bag, made by Takata Corp (7312), malfunctioned and ruptured, firing a one-inch-wide shard of metal into the neck of his wife, Law Suk Leh.


Law, 43, and eight-and-a-half months pregnant, died on the way to the hospital, becoming the first reported casualty outside the US in the deepening air-bag crisis gripping the auto industry. In the US, Takata air bags, used by carmakers including Toyota Motor Corp (7203), Honda Motor Co and General Motors Co, have been tied to four deaths and at least 139 injuries, according to government reports, lawsuits and automaker disclosures.

“Takata deeply regrets the injuries and fatalities that have occurred in accidents involving ruptured air-bag inflators,” chairman Shigehisa Takada said in a statement. Hideyuki Matsumoto, a spokesman for Takata, declined to comment specifically on the Malaysian accident.

Safety regulations

The Malaysia crash graphically illustrates how the globalisation of the car industry also means the globalisation of auto safety problems. And unlike the US, with its network of federal and state safety agencies, recall notices and lawyers willing to pursue cases against manufacturers, drivers are at risk in Asian countries where auto safety regulations lag and authorities wash their hands of any duty to alert drivers of potentially lethal defects.

“The incident is probably a wake-up call for Malaysia and other Asian countries,” said Jochen Siebert, managing director at JSC Automotive Consulting, which advises carmakers. “People in Malaysia and other Asian countries will now ask Honda about whether their cars are affected. This will force governments to speed to the process of formalisation of regulation of safety in cars.”

Caido’s second-hand 2003 Honda wasn’t among the more than 13 million vehicles recalled worldwide because of defective Takata air bags. Honda called back another 170,000 vehicles last month after investigating the Malaysia death, Kosuke Kachi, a Tokyo-based spokesman, said by phone. Owners of affected cars were notified by mail and phone calls, and the company posted the information on its websites.
Recall Warnings

In the US, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has issued several warnings on the matter and pushed carmakers to hasten their recalls. Takata rejected its demand to expand the safety campaign nationwide, NHTSA said in a statement. The agency said it would review the air-bag maker’s response and determine the next steps.

Even so, NHTSA is still being accused by members of Congress for not doing enough. Lawmakers are questioning Tokyo-based Takata through hearings reminiscent of the scrutiny faced by GM this year over faulty ignition switches and Toyota for unintended acceleration in 2009-2010. The media report on the issue as front-page news.

The Malaysian police are leaving it up to Honda and Takata to inform the public of their faulty air bags and aren’t planning any public service campaigns to spread the message wider, said Mohd Fuad Abdul Latiff, Malaysia’s federal traffic police chief.

‘Responsibility ends’

“Our responsibility ends there,” Mohd Fuad said. Prosecutors will now pick up the case. The transport ministry did not reply to an e-mail seeking comment.

Honda didn’t disclose the Malaysia accident until November 13, though it learned in August of the incident that resulted in the deaths of Law and her unborn child. Honda, Japan’s third-largest carmaker, would disclose about two weeks later that it had underreported injuries and deaths from vehicle defects 1,729 times in the US over 11 years, eight of those cases involving ruptures of Takata air-bag inflator.

“We apologise to the people who died in Honda cars equipped with Takata-made air bags as well as their families, and we want to send our sincere condolence,” said Atsushi Ohara, a spokesman for Honda. “We will exert every effort to replace the parts for vehicles subjected to recalls.”

Road deaths

Most Asian auto-safety supervision lags behind the US. The United Nations estimates that more than 700,000 lives are lost each year through road traffic accidents, costing 1% to 3% of gross national product in economic losses. One key challenge is the availability of reliable and regular accident and fatality data, which is collected by different ministries and agencies. The lack of mechanisms to share information results in uncoordinated responses, the United Nations Economic and Social Commission for Asia and the Pacific said on its website.

In India, where road accidents claim one life every five minutes, the government is trying to pass a law to set up a NHTSA-like agency to oversee recalls and set crash-test standards. Thailand’s transport ministry and police have said they’re not aware of any incidents involving suspect airbags.

The lack of widespread knowledge of the Takata air-bag defect may be particularly dangerous in Asia. Takata has said that the air bags are most prone to malfunction in humid environments, which characterises most of Asia’s developing countries.

Legal recourse

Asians also don’t have the same avenues to seek legal recourse against manufacturers. At least nine cases have been filed this year in US courts claiming deaths or personal injuries caused by exploding Takata air bags. Takata also faces at least 50 proposed class actions in the US brought by customers seeking payment for alleged losses in vehicle value connected to the recalls, with Honda named in all but two of these cases.

Most Asian countries, by contrast, have restrictions on class actions or group litigation.

The following story is based on interviews with Caido, Malaysian authorities, hospital staff and the driver of the other vehicle. Law’s sister declined to be interviewed for the story while her uncle, who authorities said helped link her death to the air bag based on his research, couldn’t be reached for comment.

‘Wonderful Sunday’

July 27 began as a “wonderful Sunday” for Caido and his wife and their seven-year-old son, Welhelm. Caido didn’t get to spend much time with his family after he joined Adinin Works & Engineering over a year ago as an electrician in an offshore rig, where he’d have to spend eight-week stretches in between two-week breaks. Even the heat – it was Sibu’s hottest day of the year, with temperatures reaching 37 degrees Celsius – didn’t distract from the day.

The family had come there two days earlier from their home in Brunei to visit relatives before making their way to Kuching, the capital of Sarawak, where Law was due to deliver her second baby on August 16.

Caido had been with Law for 10 years and got married in 2009. The family was excited about their soon-to-come second child, who would be named Elsa after the snow queen featured in Walt Disney Co’s animated hit “Frozen”. Their son chose the name. While Caido would usually call his wife “Mummy”, she’d call him “Papa”.

In the morning, Caido bought food and some hair dye for his wife, a music teacher at the Symphony Music School in Brunei, who was greying at 43.

“I told her ‘Mummy, at our age, we have to use colour to look pretty’,” Caido said. “She was very pretty and very happy. It was a very wonderful Sunday.”

Drive home

That evening, the couple went to church and left their son behind with his grandparents because he was hyperactive. They took their car, a Honda City Law bought around 2005, with seats wrapped in plastic and still in good condition. During the drive home, with Mummy at the wheel, they talked about the coming baby and how they would care for her.

Then at around 7.40pm came the intersection.

The car opposite Caido’s was a Toyota Corolla Altis, whose driver asked not to be identified because the investigation is ongoing. The Toyota driver was headed for the night market with his brother, their girlfriends and a couple of cousins. As the driver began a right turn, his uncle, who was in a separate car behind him, honked at him to indicate he was going the wrong way. The driver said he tried to slow down when the collision occurred, though the impact wasn’t very hard.

A ‘bump’

Caido recalls the accident as more like a “bump” than a full-on collision. As he awoke from a few seconds of unconsciousness, he turned to his side and said, “Mummy, are you OK?” She didn’t respond. He quickly got out and rushed to open her door.

“I saw a lot of blood coming out from her neck,” Caido said late last month in his first media interview. “I started panicking.”

Caido tried to cover the wounds with his hands. He then shouted for assistance to remove her from the car and bring her to the hospital. Someone said they had called an ambulance.

“I said I could not wait for the ambulance and please, please if anyone could help us,’” Caido said.

Bystanders, including passengers in the Toyota, helped Caido move his wife onto the back of a Toyota Hilux pick-up truck. One witness at the scene said Law was still alive gasping for breath, though bleeding profusely.

Sibu hospital

As they rushed toward the hospital, Caido was holding his bleeding wife, uttering “don’t leave me, don’t leave me, don’t leave me.”

About 10 minutes later, they spotted an ambulance, and waved it down. As the paramedics transferred his blood-soaked wife and tried to save her, Caido sat down in the ambulance and began to pray.

At the Sibu Hospital, a doctor, after learning the length of the pregnancy, told Caido they would remove the 37-week-old foetus from the womb. While Caido didn’t yet know if his wife was alive, she had been pronounced dead on arrival.

An emergency cesarean section was performed on Law, and Elsa was rushed to the neonatal intensive care unit. Her heartbeat was weak as her mother’s death deprived her of oxygen.

A hospital staff member soon delivered the news that his wife was gone and that their baby was in critical condition.

“I was shaking,” Caido said, his voice breaking in anguish. “I could not believe it.”

The night of the accident, he returned from the hospital and went to bed with his son. In the coming days, he explained to Welhelm that his mother was in heaven, unable to tell him directly that she had died.

On July 29, two days after the accident, Caido was told Elsa wouldn’t make it because her heart was too weak. The hospital told Caido they’d detach the ventilator sustaining Elsa so he could hold his baby for the last time.

“I told her to take care of her Mummy wherever they go,” Caido said in tears. “She slowly died in my arms.” – The Edge Financial Daily, December 5, 2014.
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QUOTE(ryder_78 @ Dec 7 2014, 03:36 PM)
Sad. Looks like Honda vehicles in Malaysia are also affected by this Takata air bag. Scary to think the deployment of Takata air bag will launch metal shrapnel that will kill the occupants. Looks like this news is only published in Yahoo and Malaysian Insider. The local media is keeping quiet probably not making this a big issue with the big number of vehicles with Takata air bags.

Car distributors will have to offer recall if this issue blows up. Does anyone have any idea the year of the models which are affected? Year 2000 to 2008 models?
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I thought some Civic and Accord models are also affected, and Honda Malaysia just issued recall on the City and Jazz.
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http://www.cbt.com.my/be-aware-of-car-recalls-public-told/
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...Honda Malaysia has issued a recall of 15,734 Honda City and Honda Jazz cars made between 2002 and 2003.
Malaysia Automotive Institute Madani Sahari told the newspaper his organisation has had discussions with Honda regarding the Malaysian incident.
A spokesperson from UMW Toyota Motor Sdn Bhd said that while there is a recall of several Toyota models sold in Japan, none of the models sold in Malaysia were affected.
BMW Malaysia Sdn Bhd said it would replace the passenger-side airbags of all BMW3 Series produced between 2001 and 2003 with the model code E46.
The company said in a statement it was working with the Road Transport Department to contact all affected owners.
Perodua chief executive Datuk Aminar Rashid Salleh said Perodua was unaffected as it was using a different airbag supplier. Proton too uses a different supplier.


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QUOTE(ryder_78 @ Dec 7 2014, 03:36 PM)
Sad. Looks like Honda vehicles in Malaysia are also affected by this Takata air bag. Scary to think the deployment of Takata air bag will launch metal shrapnel that will kill the occupants. Looks like this news is only published in Yahoo and Malaysian Insider. The local media is keeping quiet probably not making this a big issue with the big number of vehicles with Takata air bags.

Car distributors will have to offer recall if this issue blows up. Does anyone have any idea the year of the models which are affected? Year 2000 to 2008 models?
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Honta is known to fight back owners and media that tried to question nor publish their serious offenses. It'll use its huge financial capital to make sure plaintiffs never win any court case yet they could twist the whole story in defamation and counter sue. People will soon forget this killer airbag case. Killer airbag, poor reliability, broken tierods, jammed brakes, faulty gearbox, simulated FC claim, etc all just went quiet. Dirty politics together with effective marketing, the victims would withdraw and keep mouth shut.
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Wasn't there recently a case on this forum where an owner posted photos of his Honda Accord that started driving and couldn't be stopped until it hit a wall? They asked him to take down the photos...
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QUOTE(DeMl @ Nov 16 2014, 11:13 AM)
Honda air bag victim was in final week of pregnancy
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...ek-of-pregnancy
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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ Dec 5 2014, 06:27 PM)
Just stumbled upon this.

https://my.news.yahoo.com/pregnant-woman-de...-231913568.html

Pregnant woman’s death a ‘wake-up call’ to Malaysia’s auto safety problems
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Welhelmo Rodriguez Caido Jr, 41, blurted out the warning as he was riding in the passenger seat of a Honda City driven by his wife, whom he endearingly called Mummy. A moment later, as they entered an intersection in the town of Sibu on July 27, a collision with an oncoming car set off the air bag with such force it knocked Caido out.

On the driver’s side, the inflator inside the air bag, made by Takata Corp (7312), malfunctioned and ruptured, firing a one-inch-wide shard of metal into the neck of his wife, Law Suk Leh.


Law, 43, and eight-and-a-half months pregnant, died on the way to the hospital, becoming the first reported casualty outside the US in the deepening air-bag crisis gripping the auto industry. In the US, Takata air bags, used by carmakers including Toyota Motor Corp (7203), Honda Motor Co and General Motors Co, have been tied to four deaths and at least 139 injuries, according to government reports, lawsuits and automaker disclosures.

“Takata deeply regrets the injuries and fatalities that have occurred in accidents involving ruptured air-bag inflators,” chairman Shigehisa Takada said in a statement. Hideyuki Matsumoto, a spokesman for Takata, declined to comment specifically on the Malaysian accident.

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http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...es-takata-honda

Father of pregnant airbag victim sues Takata, Honda
Published: 5 May 2015 8:38 AM

The father of a heavily pregnant Malaysian woman who died after being hit by shrapnel from a defective airbag is suing automaker Honda Motor Co and equipment manufacturer Takata Corp, Bloomberg reported.

Law Suk Leh, 42, was killed in a car crash on July 27 last year. Her father, Law Ngee Chiong, is said to be suing the carmakers on behalf of her estate as well as that of his granddaughter, who was delivered after Suk Leh’s death and died two days later.

In an interview with Bloomberg, attorney Kevin Dean said Ngee Chiong was suing the automakers in the United States because “the defective inflator at issue” had been manufactured in LaGrange, Georgia.

According to the report, Honda and Takata spokesmen Chris Martin and Jared Levy have declined to comment on the lawsuit.

Last month, Takata said it would double its production of replacement airbags in the next six months in response to a massive global safety recall. US lawmaker Bill Nelson said at the time that Takata had expanded the number of alleged incidents related to its defective car airbags to 105 injuries and six deaths, including that of Suk Leh.

“It is my understanding that Honda and perhaps others are taking steps to ensure the safety of the replacement inflators,” Nelson said.

“That work needs to happen as soon as possible, and be validated by an independent, third party.”

Suk Leh and her husband, Welhelmo Rodriguez Caido Jr, 41, were driving their 11-year-old Honda City at about 7.40pm in Sibu, Sarawak, when they collided with another vehicle making a turn across their lane.

Police said Suk Leh, who was behind the wheel and had been wearing her seatbelt, was hit in the neck by a fragment of metal nearly 2.5cm in diameter when the airbag tore apart.

The couple had been driving at 60-70kph, Welhelmo told police.

The 21-year-old driver of the other vehicle said an ambulance was called but a pick-up truck driver offered to drive Suk Leh to the hospital.

“Me and the woman's husband carried her to the back of the pick-up,” he said in an interview carried by Reuters.

“She had a hole in her throat and was bleeding badly. Her husband had a cloth covering her throat, trying to control the bleeding.

“She was still alive, but couldn't speak.”

Suk Leh, who was later transferred to an ambulance, was pronounced dead en route to hospital. Her daughter, who was delivered alive, died two days later. Family members said the child was to have been named Elsa, after the snow queen featured in Disney hit “Frozen”.

Since 2008, ten automakers including Honda and Toyota have recalled about 17 million vehicles with Takata airbags. – May 5, 2015.

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Thanks for the information. Saw this on Yahoo a couple of days ago.
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Cannot understand why there's still people driving such old cars.

I really hope govt implement a 5 year rule MAX on car's manufacture date.
Even my cars which is not a daily beater, after 3 years+ i already start to feel the age...
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Takata CEO Makes First Public Apology for Air-Bag Deaths

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Takata President Shigehisa Takada, right, and executive vice president Hiroshi Shimizu in Tokyo today.


Takata Corp. President Shigehisa Takada made his first public apology for the eight deaths and hundreds of injuries related to the company’s air bags dating back more than a decade.

Takada, 49, bowed and apologized at a press briefing in Tokyo after the company’s annual shareholders meeting Thursday. He said the auto-parts maker is considering ways to help victims, including by setting up a fund to compensate them.

“I apologize for not having been able to communicate directly earlier, and also apologize for people who died or were injured,” Takada said. “I feel sorry our products hurt customers, despite the fact that we are a supplier of safety products.”

The grandson of the Japanese company’s founder spoke hours after Toyota Motor Corp. and Nissan Motor Co., two of Takata’s biggest customers, recalled another 3 million vehicles with air bags produced by the supplier. All fatalities related to Takata air bags, which can deploy too forcefully and shoot shrapnel at vehicle occupants, have occurred in Honda Motor Co. cars, and the devices have injured more than 100.

Takata will continue to use ammonium nitrate as the propellant that inflates its air bags through a chemical reaction, Senior Vice President Hiroshi Shimizu said. The company has produced more than 200 million inflators that use the material, cited by at least one automaker as a cause for safety concern.


Ammonium Nitrate
Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV said this week it is switching suppliers to replace driver-side air bag inflators made by Takata in more than 4 million recalled vehicles. The decision was related to choosing a safe chemical propellant instead of Takata’s ammonium nitrate, Scott Kunselman, FCA’s head of vehicle safety for North America, said Tuesday during a Senate hearing in Washington.

Takata, carmakers and regulators are still investigating the root cause behind why the company’s air bag inflators are rupturing and shattering metal and plastic parts. The company has said it believes replacement air-bag components it’s making are safe.

Some shareholders who attended the meeting criticized Takata’s handling of the crisis. Masahiro Yamazaki, 46, from Yamanashi prefecture, said the company’s president was unable to say when its investigation will be resolved.

“Takada said this is going to drag on as the root cause hasn’t been found,” said Yamazaki, who invested in Takata last year and owns 100 shares. “Honestly, I’m worried they will go under, and they did nothing to ease my concern today.”


Root Cause
Takada said at the press conference that he didn’t know how long it will take for the company to discover the root cause for the defects. He has previously apologized in written statements and print advertisements in U.S. newspapers.

Takata has fallen 38 percent in Tokyo trading in the last 12 months, while Japan’s benchmark Topix index gained 33 percent. Takada and his mother, Akiko, own about 5 percent of the Tokyo-based company’s shares. Another 52 percent is owned by TKJ KK, an investment firm that lists the family as board members.

The air-bag maker faced pressure earlier this week from U.S. Senator Richard Blumenthal to set up a victims’ compensation fund, similar to what General Motors Co. established for people killed or injured due to faulty ignition switches in 2.56 million recalled cars. Blumenthal, a Connecticut Democrat, called for the company to respond to his request within two weeks. [Source]





 

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