Dear CLOUDTREE RESIDENCE Owners,

Good day to you!

In order to add you into our Facebook owner group, please kindly provide us the info as below:

Name: Full Name
Unit No: (eg. B.11.3A)
Booking date and S&P signing date:
IC: (last 4 digit if sensitive)
Contact No: (optional)

Please let's me know if your Spouse/GF/BF would like to join the group too (Not friends.)
Once info submitted, I will get Zalam sales to verify before approve you to join the owner group. The info is compulsory to ensure your are genuine in our FB discussion.

Meanwhile please click JOIN to the group below, I will approve from there. Thanks
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Cloudtree/

Note: The Group currently set as Closed Group


Welcome to Cloudtree Residence Version 4 lowyat Thread.

You can refer below links of previous thread for more information and previous discussion:

Vers 3: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3011545
Vers 2: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2896104
Vers 1: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2773852

A Celebration of Luxury & Nature

~A sanctuary to call your own
The world at this urban sanctuary is your oyster. Experience the heights of living, surrounded by lavishly appointed facilities and breathtaking views from an exclusive, gated community at the peak. At the heart of it all is a spacious Central Park that allows you to explore the best of nature against the backdrop of a pristine forest reserve~

Official Website: [u]

3D Walk-through Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KzSvrj9shA
(Views: 4725 as at 16/10/2014
Views: 4946 as at 20/10/2014
Views: 5107 as at 25/10/2014
Views: 7311 as at 16/4/2015)
Views: 10357 as at 24/3/2016)
{One of the best 3D Walkthrough video of CT by MY3DVISION}

Cloudtree Website: http://www.cloudtree.com.my
Zalam Website: http://www.zalam.com.my
Cloudtree Official FB page (not owner group):
https://www.facebook.com/pages/CloudTree-Re...562732?LYN=18

CLOUDTREE OWNER GROUP: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Cloudtree/?...timonster=br_tf
(up to 24/3/16 --> Total 137 Owners joined)

Basic Info of the project

1. Land Tenure : FREEHOLD, under MPKJ with RESIDENTIAL TITLE
2. Site Location : Next to Taman Juara Jaya, Bandar Damai Perdana, near Alam Damai
3. Official Launched on 9th March 2014
4. ARCHIMATRIX as Project Architect | MY3DVISION as 3D Animation Walkthrough & Artist Perspective |
http://my3dvision.com/our-work/
PRAXCIS DESIGN as Landscape architect | LEE CONSULT as Civil & Structural Engineers.
4. Land Size : 9.18 acres
5. No of Block : 5 blocks (A,B,C,D,E) and 16 of Villa
6. Total unit: 643 units Consists of
Phase 1 (Block A-D):- 368units + 16 Villa
Phase 2 (Block E):- 259 units
Block A-D: Low Density of 4 UNITS PER FLOOR, ONLY 88- 92units per BLOCK/BUILDING served with 2 Lifts
All Corner Units (Semi-D in the Sky)
Block E: Standard average of 11 units per floor (served with 3 lifts)
7. Build up : (Block A-D) Type 1269sqft and 1550sq.ft either facing KL (North), Lake and golf course view (South West), Balakong town view (South) (all Units/Balcony facing North and South).
(Block E) Built up from 893sf - 1090sf (all 3 Bedrooms 2 Bathrooms)
8. Estimated Maintenance Fees : RM0.26psf subject to sinking fund
9. Free 2 carparks (SIDE BY SIDE) for phase 1: same goes to Phase 2 Block E but some are tandem carparks.
10. Ceiling Heights: 10.6feets


Common facilities
- 3 Swimming Pools and Wading/Children's Pools
- Central Valley
- Male & Female Changing Rooms
- Jacuzzi
- Barbecue Deck
- Reading Room
- Tennis Court
- Table Tennis
- Mini Basketball Court
- Badminton Court
- TV Lounge
- Glass Lift at Central Park for easy access to each floor
- Guardhouse
- Residents’ & Visitors’ Car Parks (Side By Side)
- Sauna
- Gymnasium
- Yoga/Aerobics room
- Multi-Purpose Hall
- Private discussion Room
- Nursery
- Children’s Playground
- Games room
- Management Office
- Refuse Bin Collection Room
- Passenger and Bomba Lifts
- Cafe
- Surau
- Kiosk
- Free Internet at Clubhouse and Lobby Area
- Intercom system to Guardhouse for all Units
- Card Access to your specific floor only



This post has been edited by Kvsual: May 1 2016, 09:30 PM

reporting in

Suddenly the other thread tutup kedai ..lol.

kvsual - do you remember how many sqft is at the balcony?

i m in...

Yea, funny. Thought of maintain the Version 3, as too many versions might confuse to everyone.
Since the previous thread has been closed, welcome everyone to the new Thread =D

FYI (for 1269sf & 1545sf)
Balcony is 6600mm(21.6ft) X 1350 mm (4.43ft) = 96 square feet

75% of the size of Bedroom 2. Lol.

This post has been edited by Kvsual: Oct 15 2014, 04:21 PM

hey guys, how do i subscribe to this post (v4)?

UPDATE: forget about the above, i had subscribed now. however, not sure how i got it done though.

This post has been edited by douglastay: Oct 15 2014, 05:07 PM

Click " Track this Topic"
then click on Immediate feedback (sth like that) and proceed.
So you wil get Email notifications whenever there's new post here. Hehe

Hi Oreomambo bro, since you r not CT owner, just wondering why so concern on our thread and need to know the Balcony size and others? Haha.

Cloudtree Residence Masterplan
(For ur quick reference)



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Maintenance of this residence not cheap .4 unit per floor and 5 blocks . Think lifts maintenance expenses maybe an issue to residents in future ..

This post has been edited by danielisme: Oct 15 2014, 05:38 PM

2 lifts per block.
Some r 5-6 lifts per block like rainz.
Higher maintenance is definite in future.
Can't be stopped from purchasing condo for living just because of the maintenance.
Future buyer need to pay high for better lifestyle in future.
so we do need to upgrade ourselves another 50-100% (salary) in order to survive in future. XD

Block E standard 11 units per floor.

Thanks for correction.
I've edited the Info.
Cheers

No problem, thx for the updated info.
Some website still having inaccurate info like propwall

parking first,

just booked one block e.. hope all the best for my loan !! ;D

Thats the reason we have this thread and also FB owner group.
Only accurate information to be shared here

Congrats for the decision. I wish u good luck in your loan application.

anyone can enlighten me is it a norm for the same condo paying different maintenance fee rate?

understand that Block A, B, C and D will pay 0.26 psf for maintenance but Block E have to pay 0.29 psf

provided manage by different entitiy or different management.

CT end up macam venice hill? different block manage by different management?

Actually for CT, the block C and D folks would have lesser advantage here for maintenance fee. They pay the same as all other blocks but they don't get private facility of A and B like private pool and skydeck

they get the cheapest price psf

This post has been edited by kmunz: Oct 16 2014, 10:16 AM

IT better dont lah..One management is better than split many ppl manage.

When come to quotation and decision making.is get cheaper faster.

better complain and find out. sibeh unfair. even though public area is share.
put private area size A to D is much bigger more comfy space. unless E is under service resi title?
if true, then understood.

there PRO and CON each block.

Blck C and D link to CLUB hse.

as long as all facilities are free access to all CT pipu should be ok.
the facilities area just distance different shouldn't be issue.

if facilities access only granted for certain blocks....
n others still pay same amount of psf fee.... sure feel sibeh boh balance + tulan.

This post has been edited by HELLO HELLO: Oct 16 2014, 10:36 AM

Aiya, need to know how big the balcony so i can rent at somebody's balcony to put my bed there ...renting your balcony?

Link or no link...access is open to everyone still. Unlike A & B private pool and skydeck

Stop flaming up fire if just know nothing.
We wil find out from the SA or management.

From what I feel that it's pretty reasonable to charge higher maintenance for Block E, smaller size always psf higher. And they have their own stand alone building with pool and gardens and also the sky garden which the block C&D lacks (hence lowest psf). And block E residents can use all the facilities at the clubhouse too. Best of both world yet pay slightly higher maintenance fees x smaller size unit.

Block A&B is higher psf than Block C&D due to the same reasons as well. Otherwise why they charge higher but actually all 4 blocks launched at the same time?

If the block E without their own pool n gardens, then would be unfair for them to pay higher maintenance to share the clubhouse with other 4 blocks.

Every block has their own pros, that shows how well they have plan the master layout.
imagine what if we ONLY have the central valley & clubhouse? Empty facilities on our own block but have to go down every day for facilities? (Then it would be really frustrating and Bad planning).

I do appreciated zalam for offering us 1 pool&wading pool for every 2 blocks (1 pool+wading for block E).
With the Rich facilities they are offering, 26 - 29 cents are pretty reasonable for such a big land 9.18acre. Yet other project offers ard 30 cents for similar facilities/smaller land like 5-6 acres sharing one pool (eg.Rainz/Petalz)

Lol. Value of 600psf (future) X 96sf = 57.6k
how much can I rent =_=
equals to price of 2 carparks. You can rent it from management la. =P

We have been discussed this since previous thread.
clear explanation already.
Some ppl/investor prefer lower psf like 460psf for investment oor own budget. Everyone has their own choice and ask self why not getting higher ground with sky garden by paying 20-50psf more ( 30psf x 1269sqft), only 38k difference.
another reason for them to choose C&D would be easy access to clubhouse, good for kids and parents.

Again.
If we all 4 blocks share the same psf. Yes all can share the private facilities. But no, we pay higher psf during the Launch for the higher ground n private pool.
Why do we need to pay higher more expensive price if there's no advantage on Block A&B?

If management make it opens for all. Definitely all block A&B 184units owners gonna complain to zalam 99.

That one wil definitely happens on Parklane OUG. Hahah

KVSUAL has explain clearly.

When i buy CT SA also explain Blck A & B are selling higher psf compare CD during lauching.

those hv book C&D or A&B already know the reason hv why book this block not that block.

That why that call OPTION to CHOOSE as a buyer.

No point after book and take excuse who paying higher or paying for what.

Everyting can be solved and reason to take and give.

If i stay higher and all the facility on top....those C&D can be treat as 2nd class to said so.

that alot reason to sabotage but there no a reason CT be United as FAMILY.

Blck A&B resident not so cruel...when time we can organize a party BlkA&B can open for Blk C&D to hang around too.

Who want to BBQ at Blk A&B, let me know..we organize..A&B&C&D&E come and join

This post has been edited by felixmask: Oct 16 2014, 11:18 AM

Ppl who are in this thread will know, yes. However after years and years, sub sale after sub sale, everything will be dumb down. History would be lost. Then you get sub sale tenant bringing this up again and again. You get all kinds of ppl all in the same block , there will be some odd owner who will make super fuss out of this and their voice would dwarf. Hence this topic will appear again, in forum or not in forum.

when come to subsale...A&B are selling higher...

when a future CT buyer will know what the reason they buying and included.

just because bought A or B higher psf price.
it may high price because locate better than other block, better privacy, better view.
but doesn't mean that only 2 blocks can have the private facilities but others cannot.
if true only exclusive for AB.. this arrangement 100% sure will screw up big big time for long run.
especially when JMB form. you will see very bad effect after 2-3 years. and become next venice hill for sure.

what's the point using others non block AB pipu fund to spoon feed AB private facilities in long run.
and others block cannot use and enjoy.
and AB can use all others facilities as they want but still pay the same.

unless it split out. AB block need to pay more fund to maintain their own private facilities area.
which not touching others block fund.
others block they pay low price psf. doesn't mean they need to use their part of the fund fee to feed n let block AB pipu enjoy more.
low price psf just only mean they have disadvantage view, less privacy, bad/soso location. thats why it is cheap.

This post has been edited by HELLO HELLO: Oct 16 2014, 11:42 AM

I hope you don't assume i know nothing

I wanted people to understand the issue and gather their expectation right. If buyers want to address this later via JMB , then JMB committee better be armed with Q&A, a strong answer too.

As for me, i am renting balcony , ..no say.

This post has been edited by oreomambo: Oct 16 2014, 11:30 AM

If only property agent will be honest enough to give them the cons too, rather than just the pros. Some just want to close the deal quickly. This discussion here will be the pre-cursor for potential sub sale buyers to know the cons. Hence such discussion is still needed, (not flame ya).

QUOTE(Mrmr @ Oct 14 2014, 11:40 AM)
But I still think that whose lift come out is not lobby

I think all people come out from lift ,also will reach lobby

Thanks your sharing

Read the below from forum

Private lobby - u come out from lift, u'll reach the lobby/space that own by u and u can build your shoe cabinet there or put your own things.u won't see other units.

Common lobby - u come out from the lift and u'll hav to walk along the corridor which you'll see other units b4 u reach ur unit.

No worries, I'm not pointing to you.
owners or those interested can always bring up any issues.

Masterbedroom = 287Sf MasterBath = 61sf Total Master = 348sf Bathroom2 = 52sf


These size will small or not ,how come the master bath so small only 61 not reach 100 ,then really what also can't put in

Congratulation for ver4

not anyting perfect.....

private pool juz a recreation....noting permanent...

migh change to KOI pool if swiming pool high maintenance.

SKYdesk juz a place to sit ; migh well sit at OWN balcony...is better.

i do agree ppl will not satify.....when come paying the same fee.

JMB will do a prudent calculation how much to manage a pool cost.

In mine 2nd thought a pool A&B hv a pool and C&D also hv it.

C&D thought A&B can use C&D pool but C&D cant use A&B pool....

If you want to use A&B pool let me know...i be your Guide man/bell man to let use A&B pool.

this is juz a small matter..who want to use the pool. No point fighting...


IM FAT and OLD hardly go swmming wit mine big tummy to show off

I know the level 2-5lvl have bigger size...becoz of the corridor direct from the the parking.
quote by Felix the Miao

So is this means level2-level5 is no good floor and unit and not so ideal choice is it ?
Because is same floor with parking lot and corridor direct from the parking ,sure no privacy and noisy a lot ,and maybe some unit below or above also is parking ,omg.

Wonder got who so stupid to buy the level 1 to level 5 floor,since the problem mention above .so are these levels sold out ,or still no people want buy all these floor mention above .can't sold out until now is it

If this can be discussed here, it will be discussed in reality with JMB. JMB knowing this is coming, should be getting ready answers and actions to manage expectations. 2.5 more years.

But it can't be ,becausE I heard others and many say this pRoject is selling sibeh good

they give 4 car park also,.

it convenient those who want direct parking access to the hse by skip the lift and common area.

parking noise can be insulated...they hv another door before the main entrance.

there not window to see..can be closed with curtain hardly said no privacy...

Only becoz there a extra is near to car park to enter;

Mostly size below 1400sf bathroom size can't fit it the bathtub. Check others too. Thanks.

if the issue is really as u said. sure screw up jialat kaw kaw 1 when JMB form.
very not healthy arrangement by zalam planning.

unless they can 100% cut out the fee from other non AB blocks.
makesure none of the non AB block pipu punya fee leak funding the AB private facilities.

if really found touch/use on all others block fees to maintain AB private facilities also.. sure making big jialat issue 1.

This post has been edited by HELLO HELLO: Oct 16 2014, 12:03 PM

Sales good doesn't matter.
We more concern the quality of owners and tenants, on how to well maintain the CT common area & facilities.
Inconsiderate owner definitely wil devalue the CT. (Eg. Hang clothes at balcony, throw rubbish everywhere, pee on pools, make noises)

and no FIGTHING

Juz a pool...if want to use A&B pool; i be your BELL man to enter the pool...

No need to screw kaw kaw.....

In other word..if A&B pay higher...do they tink the GYm , Central Garden , Club Hse..etc shld be nearer or link to Blk A&B as you said.

This post has been edited by felixmask: Oct 16 2014, 12:09 PM


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I say hello kor ,when you 1 finger pointed out to others peoples,actually did you know the rest 4 fingers is point back on your own you so funny

Your beloved wotp unit you buy also pay the same ,but you also didn't get exactly the same stuffs lah(example v shape)you this fellow still have face and time say others and still think yourself very yeng and hebat some more ,please keep skin lar

Although I also a Interested wotp buyer but donno why I really tak suka you this block c far away neighbor always say bad thing and kaka-caucau on others people projects ,I caught you many time already,not only here but others places and projects also ,always step down others then only push up wotp...

Please la mr hello taiko ,don't make all others owners of wotp shame on you lar please ...you go back home lar

This post has been edited by Mrmr: Oct 17 2014, 03:22 AM

If only everyone share the same thought process as you. I hope so too.

Not just condo, but townships too la. Can you believe it that i heard another ridiculous comment like "since your house is nearer to guardhouse, you pay more for guard fee, they are guarding your house more often" ...kinda bs. JMB gave a better answer "since thieves could be staring at your house more, you pay more guard fee too"

You get all kinds of strange ppl...just better be prepared.

higher price psf when purchase is 1 off thing.
but maintenance fee is lifetime.

is not the near far issue. is about all CT pipu accessibility for all facilities area.

this issue not settle probably will be dead serious in future when jmb form

This post has been edited by HELLO HELLO: Oct 16 2014, 12:30 PM

im old man...alot sickness....

have been thru some
work stress; hv seen CRAZY BOSS throw paper and screw embarsee in meeting, retrench; 1 ft to the grave.

MONEY cant take to mine grave.

pity me.....i need to rest..not fighting when i stay at CT.

Who is fighting? hmm..
I've seen bosses who says "please let that project fail..make sure it fail. Just do it". Another boss virtually throw table phone across the desk towards someone.

So i am also one leg into the grave. kamcheng.

*btw resting can be in memorial park too..not just CT.

Omg.But why the info I get from sa,say that the car park is not same block with the unit ,but now you say is like the car park is just up and down of the level1 to level5 peoples ...

Oh pity them ,all the owners from level 1 to level 5 ,make a bad choice ,for noisy ,no privacy ,heat from car park side the car park is same floor same block ,or the car park is just up or down of your unit ,
Pity these guys

What a wrong deception they made ..

If you concern the maintenance fee- becoz of the A&B pool

to be caluclative also require to know how much the maintenance pool cost.

Only decide how much A&B contribute able to substain the swiming pool.




I work so hard;i get white hair

I talk too much; i loss my breath.

Congratulation for V4... sangat hebat!

don't like me as u like. c who making shame.
the wotp payment is different according for buidling, size, plan, structure, facing. that's also 1 off purchase.
when come to facilities area and all are equal, free access and pay according the used of psf of your unit.

This post has been edited by HELLO HELLO: Oct 16 2014, 12:39 PM

But sa give wrong information ,say the car park is at another block but now the buyer tell the truth actually is same block with the unit
How come one

better get SA for accurate infor..


i give worng infor..my applogize

This post has been edited by felixmask: Oct 16 2014, 01:07 PM

mine Apologize


LUNCH TIME

reclarify again

very active discussion in ver4.
all bro, thanks for the points voiced out, we did learn a lot from all points and observations from you guys.
thanks to felix the peacemaker.

units in lvl2-5? this applies to blk E only or C&D also? As i know only, for blk A&B, lowest unit from level4 onward wo..

If All blocks can't share same facility so it's not living in one community lo.. If many residents are calculative then future jialat lo and residents also really cloud one day

Hi, Mrmr, I did come across some highrise building having lift going straight into unit, not lobby. however, there is still a lobby at ground/parking floor which u have to share with all the same unit on each floor.

Mr "mrmr", I really wonder who are you and what's the purpose you request so many info of CT via PM or thread here. Yes it's everyone right to post and comment. But since you said yourself a poor man, can't afford even CT unit with less than X k salary. Now u told all of us u r WOTP buyer? Must be those bigger unit like 1.6k-1.7k.
We sincerely provide you info just because we welcome everyone opinions (including felixmask replies to ur info too).
I wonder what's your Motive? Somemore you r asking chester SA to provide info for you to make decision of Purchase. Hmm

Paragon 3 as an example and few more others in MK for private lift. The thing is, lobby area somehow will have psf slipped into calculation.

Kvsual, u spot on the dot. Before this, both WOTP and CT buyers are just peace. We never fight each others or bring down anyone to promote our choice of home. It is very personal anyway on why you this and not the others. When he start comments, he start to make all the baseless claims , eg what WOTP told them how bad about CT. Personally, I never PM or told him anything, I guess those are all unnecessary claims by him. If I had offended anyone here earlier, I would like to apologize and lets move forward and forget this guy. Somehow I find that he is unrelevant when asking question and sound pervert too...

mrmr must be from a research company. he doesn't sounds that newbie to me and even pmed ppl he hardly knew asking for age and salary and other personal info.

The latest phase of One South Leasehold project, also has 4 private lift for the 4units per floor. Kinda low density if it's standalone building. Pretty high now if add it up all phases more than 1k+ units.

Yeap agreed. Every Home has its own pros and cons. Nothing is perfect and I believe all the owners did their own research and purchased their new Home based on their own preference instead of follow the trends. (If that's the case, everyone should go get Rainz since so hot. And my friend just bought it without even know the site environment and facing).

We shouldn't be critisize on other ppl home, but positive/negative comments/opinions/insider info/advices are all welcomed as always in order to improve our Home.
Sometimes it's hard to express one opinion through words, everyone might be get offended by my str8 forward sayings. Apologise too if offended but as an owner we have the responsibility to provide accurate/latest info to our neighbours/potential neighbours.

For "MrMr" case, I really have no idea now he's Wotp owner or just lepak around to do his research. I don't mind answering his question, but don't waste our time if you just ask for fun..
but I do understand why developer/agency very sensitive on giving out info to walk - in buyers. Eg. Went to Tropicana Metropark to check out the show unit and package, yet one of their team came n asked me if I'm staff from other developer. How rude but I understand that they not willing to waste their time. What i can say, that's working life. You have to believe and hav faith to succeed in your business. Keep on suspecting, Agent you forever can't get good sales la..

You mean block a and b also pay more expensive maintenence fee? Then it's still ok for the reason of block a and b, and block E has their own swimming pool and basic facility.

Strongly agree, I raise concern for discussion and hopefully I got a satisfying answer. Some ppl try to provoke it, some try to phish info. Whatever motive they have is their freedom, we can't control other ppl, we just do what is right for us.

Hey bro, long time no hear from you?
Hows your "bank" doing? must be ongong sound naik!

4000 units Parklane service apartment split to few land parcel. Each land parcel have their own guards own compound. Not all in one. Ya too many unit in one big development.

Ct still low dense compare many new development nowaday. Rainz just too high dense. Exism developer started to be greedy. Saw many high dense development from the past.. no matter how high end it is. After more than 5 years It end up become medium end look or worst.

This post has been edited by HELLO HELLO: Oct 16 2014, 09:02 PM

Ive few friends bought the Parklane and now regreted and kinda disappointed with developers.
Alots complaints has been made on their FB, hopefully the developer could rectify all the defects ASAP. But I doubt it as developer stil need to focus on the latter phases to pass on the keys to new owners inorder to avoid LAD payment.
the Landsize indeed very large, as they too greed and maximize profit by having 4K+ Units. Terrible and all are same Floor Type! 950sf, this shows how lazy the designer is......
But the price is unbelievably cheap at 260-300K (Half price of CT), if let's me have a chance for early bird.... Stil I rather save my money for better haha

Actually Rainz itself not really High density, their other projects like Leafz and Petalz are similar dense too.
Just that Rainz squeeze at the small land in between Z residence, Bukit OUG, Kiara 1&2 and added up become a Small town populations d.. and the View of Rainz isnt that good, the only nice facing would be Mid to high floor facing Kesas (east), without any blockings since Kiara 1 is quite "Short", Good units of this already sold out unless U opt for 1930sf.
Other facings are just bad, balcony facing or next to Z residence, Back facing Bukit OUG.
I'm not good in investment, but I know I won't like to be OwnStaying there with views blocked and facing those low end apartments. Cant breath regardless how rich their facilities are. just my 0.001

Personally kinda like Skyz Residence for ownstay. <3

This post has been edited by Kvsual: Oct 16 2014, 09:17 PM

If rainz is not for own staying and for rental only, it will not be able to compete with cheaper neighbour like KR1 rental due to its entry price.

If i am given bullet to pick Rainz, i'll walk away instead. That area is far too saturated with highrise already. Cannot justify exit strategy to flip nor rental. Moreover, older units there are more yummy with better rental price advantage. So i would still consider CT ...balcony.

The only "better" view is kesas, and i've not heard of anyone mentioning double glazed window for traffic noise like what was given by Trinity on Z residence.

Fully agree with you on this. The higher density it is, the faster its common facilities deteriorate. One more factor, if the highrise is mostly for rental play, then it gets even worse....

hi both wcheong and Felixthecat ,I found out that if blk a&b ,the Unit is start from level 3 onwards not level2 or 4 ,ok.
(if the sa not provide wrong info)

And felixthecat ,may I know from where you get to know that level 2 until level5 ,have bigger size ? Thanks
And the bigger size of these you means in bigger size on the unit themselves or they lobby on these seceleted exclusive floors ?


Thanks waiting for your source to state clearly please how you know these floor have bigger size ? Sa didn't mention

sorry maybe my hand disable and type too fast ,actually I am just a nothing ,I am just a interested buyer for wotp or cloud tree only ,or others new or subsales project only.I am just little potato and peanut. Sorry

Btw ya ,you guess right ,i admit ,I am a spy of some projects haha sorry sorry

Sorry I am just a little spy from somewhere

So sorry to everyone if I am offended to anyone here ,I am apologize here

I just hope everyone don't step down others projects just want to rise up their own projects only,no others means,not to fight who the number one best project among the area ,then just attack others ,that's all.

Once again sorry if offend anyone here

U change mine name

best you go to ZALAM and the SA will provide the infor of CT.

the level 2 oe 3 im sorry..mine mistake. Very sorry

HELLO boss, can give some examples on those projects more than 5 years that end up become medium end look or worst?
(Does not have to be the exact project name. Some text of the project will do)
Thank you.