please watch this video untill the end.
it explains how the messenger of Allah and the companions deals with the enemy ,prisoner of war and war criminals.

yusuf estes did a good explaination on the confusion of certain verses being taken literally(the quran should be side-side with the messenger teaching or how he implemented it)
http://islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/329-...quran-misquotes

Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him}" 9:4 Quran the last testament

****most favourite by the islamophobes , misquoted, taken only in its context verses in the quran)
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful"
9:5 Quran the last testament

And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.9:6 Quran the last testament"
9:6 Quran the last testament

This post has been edited by ralfvi: Feb 12 2015, 12:50 PM

Well, please bear my choice of bad words.

That's why I have no desire to discuss with a non-muslim, unless he/she really is open and curious about Islam, and again OPEN. But here I see trolls.

But at the same time, I'm also open. I'm also learning other religions. Only then I can say it's adil, fair.

Like I said before, non-muslims in /k become Islam-hater mostly because of the malaysian govt.

Yes. Exactly what I have been saying.
One can recite the Quran (without knowing the meaning), that's good too. But if one wish to undersatnd the kalamullah, he/she cannot just read the many translations. One need to also study the history of the ayah.

I'll quote myself.

But look what happen in Malaysia? Every Jumaat in khutbah somewhere, talking about yahudi nasrani kafir musuh islam, like they're all bad people and we're all good people.

This statement i can not overlook.

It is only a reminder to us that they (the non-muslim) will make us their enemies unless we follow their faith and lifestyle.
Simply a caution when dealing with non-muslims.
Of course some of us may misinterpret the reminder that the non-muslims are the enemy.

Edit:
Though i only attend jumaat prayer at places with JAKIM authorized khutbah. I don't know if other places had hatred laden khutbahs.

This post has been edited by xein: Feb 12 2015, 02:53 PM

and whoever quoting surah at tawbah
its a war surah
the only surah that doesnt have 'bismillah' at the beginning

I disagree with that.

That's how I heard it, because that's how they word it in their khutb text. If they word it the way you did there, I wont interpret (or misinterpret?) it that way.

Unfortunately, me too. And it's not limited to jakim only.. Sad. I love khutbah without text though. Because it's real knowledge, real communication, real message.

The one i heard is usually like this:
.. dan ingatlah sesungguhnya mereka (kaum kafir dan musyrikin) akan memusuhi kamu sehinggalah kamu mengikuti ajaran mereka.

I don't remember if it is quoted from a surah or hadith.
Anyway let's discuss about 14/2 so that we come to a better understanding of what it is.

i thank u guys for responding. dont get me wrong i am a free thinker and i dont believe there's such thing as god but aliens. but im just here curious to know about other religion.as for my opinion, religion to many is just followed by mankind as a trend and to believe something that never exists.therefor when u believe in something, u abide by its command. command that can lead to the good or bad of humanity

if there is such thing as god, where is he?waiting in the afterlife?how certain is that?
if there is such thing as god, why the innocent get killed and the villan gets to live till 90?
if there is such thing as god, why anwar get jailed and the bn lives in harmony?
if there is such thing as god, why people pray 10 times a day to be rich but nothing happened?
just take a minute to realise. im not trying to make anyone disbelief their religions but im just sharing my thoughts with an open mind. if anyone can enlighten my questions please share.but not the common respons "he is watching and listening" or "dunia kiamat then only he will appear", pls

the world is never meant to be perfect, and its never meant to last

Verily, We shall put you to test with some fear, and hunger, and with some loss of wealth, lives, and offspring. And (O Muhammad) convey good tidings to those who are patient, who say, when inflicted by hardship, "Verily we are of God and verily to Him shall we return;" upon them is the blessings of Allah and His mercy. (2:155

Truly, the life of this world is nothing but a (quick passing) enjoyment, and verily, the Hereafter that is the home that will remain forever." (Quran 40:39)

“If Allah were to punish people according to what they deserve, He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily Allah has in His sight all His servants." (Fatir:45)

dont lazy, read this

i know muslims will be butthurt when they hear this but i believe this thread is opened by modern muslims with an open mind to discuss every aspect. im not an athiest, free maison, jewish, or any religious believer. so pls dont be offended. ajaran sesat? nobody ajar me anything. my interpretation is based on observations and with a conscious mind.

this quotes, writen by mankind, did the writer got whispered by allah to write such things? and if so as the writer claims, where is the evidence to prove it? should i just believe? there are bibles or qurans that created by mankind centuries ago. did anyone know if it fell from the sky or how they create the contents? i have seen many nice context written in every religion to lead mankind and to live as good individual. and some context written to destroy humanity as well.
as a result, there are no evidence of religious context being delivered from the hereafter but only mankinds own interpretation.

actually, if u ponder on it closely, u will find some evidence that the Quran(quran specifically. not other scriptures) was given to human being by a different entity with supreme intellect

consider the following verse :

“Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; then We fashioned the drop into a clot, then We fashioned the clot into a little lump, then We fashioned the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!” [23:12-14]

this verse talks about the creation of human being, from our origin as clay, to a human created in the womb.

The Quran has been around 1400 years. No human being at that time had this kind of technology to explain these things

well the questions are not structured to make it sound polite enough

granted many would blow their top off in a debate

I know Im not buthurt

if the book of life or context has been found, who are they?human clay/sand?the truth is, nobody knows of any occurrences 1400 yrs ago but merely an acclamations created by mankind through then again, words.
it could be aliens who came down to earth and witnesses misinterpret.

this is good.because u are an open minded muslim believer. which leaves u a minority in the muslim world. many others out there, cant think with an open mind, and can't accept facts nor listen but to be concrete with their beliefs. which leaves them very vulnerable. today if a highest muslim scholar woke up and gospel to our fellow muslim men to suicide themself to gain 72 virgins and achieve matyr, they will abide. because of their concrete beliefs.

Now you've reach a point where only faith matters

Now its up to u to believe what you want. Theres only so much direct physical evidence that one can show

Yea, it could be. Maybe, maybe not. There is no way of knowing. There is only believe. That's why it's called belief. When one actually ask for evidence, means they dont understand what is religion, what is faith, what is belief.

The "if there is god, then why bad things happen", is also a naive question. I dont say that in an offensive way. God give us both light and dark.

And calm down, people. Just because some users here use bad words, doesn't always mean butthurt, or an evil person, etc. it's normal.. take a chill pill, will ya? Don't worry too much about "muslim image" in that way.. it's just bad words. Rilek brader!



I dont know if I would use the word "minority". Not sure.

Because many out there are not exactly "concrete with their belief" in that they "wont listen to facts" or on "closed minded", but actually the many out there aren't really interested in this matter. They just want to live a normal life, send their kids to school, eat a sandwhich, and they dont hurt anyone, so just live a normal life. That doesn't mean they "don't want to listen to facts", that is quite ignorant and belittling the muslims in general.

And I also disagree with your last opinion there. You have the image of muslims in general to strongly follow everything, even the ridiculous teachings.

But your kind of opinion is not surprising with the recent voices of the "new-atheist", who are very convinced they are the right one and those who disagree with them means they disagree with facts/science and are therefore stupid.
You asked "should you just believe without evidence". That is totally up to you. If you don't want to, then don't. But do you have to belittle and offend other people's belief? That is what I don't understand with these "new-atheist". Maybe because they are actually "anti-theist".

ASSALAMUALAIKUM.

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