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nevland
post Jan 15 2015, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 15 2015, 01:15 PM)
As I've said in my earlier posts. I understand how Islam was misrepresented (goodness, how many times have I repeat myself in regards of this?), be it via fear, propaganda, and etc.

The question is it possible to misrepresent other religions or systems of belief with an equal amount of prejudice and extremism that is similar to the Islam religion? If so, how would the power of media do it?
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post Jan 15 2015, 03:07 PM

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Deadlocks, what you are asking is dangerous and baiting hate. Seems like you are asking us may / how do we misinterpret other religions so that they will get "hated" just like how the "west hating Islam".

If I define your question correctly, I suggest people here to NOT answer this question. We should not fight fire with fire, hate with hate.

It may be hypothetical, Deadlocks, but it still baiting hate. So please don't make other people conceive this bad ideas. If you really have to have it, you have to conceive it by yourself. But I'm not sure if you should, don't fill your mind with hate.

Second of all, you are saying, after the media misinterpret a religion, the followers will "also conceive extremism". This is not how it works.

Third of all, if I define your question wrongly (I'm sure I didn't) please correct me and disregard what I said above.

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post Jan 15 2015, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(nevland @ Jan 15 2015, 03:06 PM)
maybe you should watch a Hindi movie, PK
a very good movie
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Err, okay?

QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Jan 15 2015, 03:07 PM)
Deadlocks, what you are asking is dangerous and baiting hate. Seems like you are asking us may / how do we misinterpret other religions so that they will get "hated" just like how the "west hating Islam".
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Not really. It's not how "we" or "y'all" misinterpret other religions, but it is how the media misrepresents a religion / belief system.

But of course, I apologize for any misunderstandings due to this. I am ready to explain myself whenever possible in order to clear any misunderstandings.

QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Jan 15 2015, 03:07 PM)
If I define your question correctly, I suggest people here to NOT answer this question. We should not fight fire with fire, hate with hate.

It may be hypothetical, Deadlocks, but it still baiting hate. So please don't make other people conceive thisĀ  bad ideas. If you really have to have it, you have to conceive it by yourself. But I'm not sure if you should, don't fill your mind with hate.
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I do not intend anyone to conceive any bad ideas. The purpose of the hypothetical question is to understand further how a religion is misrepresented by the media so badly that somehow conceived the amount of extremism as sensationalized by the media. By understanding how other religions can also be equally misrepresented by the media, perhaps we will be able to eradicate or lessen the effects of Islamophobia in the world.

In other words, it's not really hate vs. hate, as you have put it. It is understanding vs. understanding.

QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Jan 15 2015, 03:07 PM)
Second of all, you are saying, after the media misinterpret a religion, the followers will "also conceive extremism". This is not how it works.
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The only reason why I would say such a thing, because I was unable to see the same conception without the misrepresentation of the media in the first place. Without any misrepresentation from the media, will it still conceive an equal amount of extremism? If this is the case, then I will submit to you, that I am wrong, and I will continue with my research.

QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Jan 15 2015, 03:07 PM)
Third of all, if I define your question wrongly (I'm sure I didn't) please correct me and disregard what I said above.
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It is important to understand that I am only seeking answers, and never have I blatantly accuse anything or anyone that should bait any hate in the first place.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jan 15 2015, 03:32 PM
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post Jan 15 2015, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 15 2015, 03:25 PM)


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It's the same thing. Not about the individual, its about the "how" that you are asking. I don't think people here should conceive the how and tell you. You do it yourself. Or better yet, don't at all.

I don't mean to accuse you, but you sound really fishy, man.. talking about "how other religions can also be equally misrepresented by the media". This is NOT the question you should be asking in order to understand this whole picture.

"By understanding how other religions can also be equally misrepresented by the media, perhaps we will be able to eradicate or lessen the effects of Islamophobia in the world."
I told you: We should NOT fight hate with hate. Your idea is how does one put hate on one (other religions) to lessen hate on another (Islam)? You don't do this.

And as I said before: One "conceive extremism" NOT after "misrepresentation from the media". Your question is based on your misunderstanding, that's why no one can answer it.
It seems like you don't quite understand what is extremism. You seem to see "extremism" to mean "prejudice" or "discrimination".

HOW is not the question you should ask. But you did, that's why I said you sound fishy and dangerous.

You should ask WHY. Why does the media portray Islam in a bad way.
The answer is IGNORANCE.
The answer is FEAR.
The answer is ARROGANCE.

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post Jan 15 2015, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 15 2015, 03:25 PM)
Err, okay?
Not really. It's not how "we" or "y'all" misinterpret other religions, but it is how the media misrepresents a religion / belief system.

But of course, I apologize for any misunderstandings due to this. I am ready to explain myself whenever possible in order to clear any misunderstandings.
I do not intend anyone to conceive any bad ideas. The purpose of the hypothetical question is to understand further how a religion is misrepresented by the media so badly that somehow conceived the amount of extremism as sensationalized by the media. By understanding how other religions can also be equally misrepresented by the media, perhaps we will be able to eradicate or lessen the effects of Islamophobia in the world.

In other words, it's not really hate vs. hate, as you have put it. It is understanding vs. understanding.
The only reason why I would say such a thing, because I was unable to see the same conception without the misrepresentation of the media in the first place. Without any misrepresentation from the media, will it still conceive an equal amount of extremism? If this is the case, then I will submit to you, that I am wrong, and I will continue with my research.
It is important to understand that I am only seeking answers, and never have I blatantly accuse anything or anyone that should bait any hate in the first place.
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post Jan 15 2015, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Jan 15 2015, 03:51 PM)
It's the same thing. Not about the individual, its about the "how" that you are asking. I don't think people here should conceive the how and tell you. You do it yourself. Or better yet, don't at all.

I don't mean to accuse you, but you sound really fishy, man.. talking about "how other religions can also be equally misrepresented by the media". This is NOT the question you should be asking in order to understand this whole picture.

"By understanding how other religions can also be equally misrepresented by the media, perhaps we will be able to eradicate or lessen the effects of Islamophobia in the world."
I told you: We should NOT fight hate with hate. Your idea is how does one put hate on one (other religions) to lessen hate on another (Islam)? You don't do this.

And as I said before: One "conceive extremism" NOT after "misrepresentation from the media". Your question is based on your misunderstanding, that's why no one can answer it.
It seems like you don't quite understand what is extremism. You seem to see "extremism" to mean "prejudice" or "discrimination".

HOW is not the question you should ask. But you did, that's why I said you sound fishy and dangerous.

You should ask WHY. Why does the media portray Islam in a bad way.
The answer is IGNORANCE.
The answer is FEAR.
The answer is ARROGANCE.
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Well then, I have gathered enough understanding from your attitude towards how hypothetical questions can be considered as "dangerous", instead of the attempt to even understand it. I shall proceed further in the RWI section, hopefully with people who are more level-headed and prepared to think about the issue instead of evading the question altogether. I apologize for any misunderstandings and inconveniences caused, but I sincerely think that the calling it a "dangerous" question isn't as dangerous as the act of blatant evasion of the questions in the first place.

I don't think the question is dangerous. I think the act of not questioning is dangerous. Different perspectives, I know. Until then, I fear for what might what happen to me if I continue asking (since my questions have already been labelled as "dangerous"), and as a result I shall refrain from asking my questions here in this thread, or in any Muslim community ever. I don't want to be labelled as "dangerous".

Until such questions do not bring upon the fear of being "dangerous", I will not return to this thread. Farewell, and thank you very much for your time.
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 15 2015, 04:15 PM)
Well then, I have gathered enough understanding from your attitude towards how hypothetical questions can be considered as "dangerous", instead of the attempt to even understand it. I shall proceed further in the RWI section, hopefully with people who are more level-headed and prepared to think about the issue instead of evading the question altogether. I apologize for any misunderstandings and inconveniences caused, but I sincerely think that the calling it a "dangerous" question isn't as dangerous as the act of blatant evasion of the questions in the first place.

I don't think the question is dangerous. I think the act of not questioning is dangerous. Different perspectives, I know. Until then, I fear for what might what happen to me if I continue asking (since my questions have already been labelled as "dangerous"), and as a result I shall refrain from asking my questions here in this thread, or in any Muslim community ever. I don't want to be labelled as "dangerous".

Until such questions do not bring upon the fear of being "dangerous", I will not return to this thread. Farewell, and thank you very much for your time.
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I just disagree with the need to ask the HOW. To solve this problem, we should ask the WHY. I didn't say don't question at all, but ask the right question; the why.

That's my opinion.
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post Jan 15 2015, 04:28 PM

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Sigh....
if you really looked into the european history, you would find that the jews were once treated with hate and associated with plague carriers and a lot of maladies. So much that walls were built to confine them.
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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Jan 14 2015, 07:32 PM)
Betuuuuuuuuul. Itu sememangnya pasti. Aku 100% setuju, captain obvious!

Ini lah masalah nya. Orang salah faham apa yang cuba disampaikan. Cepat sangat bertanggapan orang lain salah. Islam yang di bawa oleh Nabi Muhammad sememangnya satu.

Yang aku cakap ialah, ajaran Islam pada hari ini, banyak. Bukan hari ini saja, even sejak zaman khulafa yang pertama pun, sudah ada berlainan pendapat. Seribu tahun kmudian makin banyak lah jenis2 nya. Bukan aku cakap semua betul atau semua salah.

Harap ini dapat jelaskan keadaan.
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Ah yes. Pendapat mmg ada byk khilaf dikalangan ulama', but doesnt mean all of them wrong. Its like cars, one maybe modify it to be fast, but another would modify it to be fuel efficient. Then again, both are not wrong, still gets from point A to point B. As long as it follows the Quran and Sunnah though. tongue.gif

Mcm beza 4 mazhab kita, x salah nk ikut mazhab lain, tp akhlak mengikut mazhab setempat pun kena ikut. Which explains its preferred not to follow other mazhabs in our country since we practice mazhab syafie, mengundang fitnah pada diri sendiri itu adalah haram.

Sorry for the misinterpretation. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(aimank_88 @ Jan 15 2015, 09:02 PM)
Mcm beza 4 mazhab kita, x salah nk ikut mazhab lain, tp akhlak mengikut mazhab setempat pun kena ikut. Which explains its preferred not to follow other mazhabs in our country since we practice mazhab syafie, mengundang fitnah pada diri sendiri itu adalah haram.

Sorry for the misinterpretation.    icon_rolleyes.gif
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Naah, it's okay. All good.
Kalau ada rule "kena ikut mazhab setempat" tu memang aku tidak setuju lah. Kepercayaan kita, fikiran masing2.

Tapi, dari segi akhlak, basically tiada beza yang signifikan pun, sama ja 4 mazhab utama sunni, boleh bersetuju dan bersatu. Cuma dari segi usulul fiqh, situ yang biasa ada berlainan pendapat.
Yang penting jangan sampai kita berpecah atas pendapat yang berbeza, tapi bersatu atas pendapat yang sama.
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post Jan 16 2015, 09:03 AM

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hello kawan sekalian
nak tanya sikit tentang sunat bole?
masa sunat saya punya 2", sekarang tiba2 makin memanjang :confuse:
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Jan 16 2015, 09:03 AM)
hello kawan sekalian
nak tanya sikit tentang sunat bole?
masa sunat saya punya 2", sekarang tiba2 makin memanjang :confuse:
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Dah bebas...Tak terkurung lagi.
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post Jan 16 2015, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(xein @ Jan 16 2015, 11:44 AM)
Dah bebas...Tak terkurung lagi.
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underwear x bole pakai dah.... sangat ketat cry.gif
i dun wan wear boxer
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 15 2015, 12:22 PM)
Err. no. Let me copy and paste my question again:

"I'm asking how should other religions should be portrayed in order to attain the same kind of prejudice which coined the term, 'Islamophobia' in the first place."

Which is also the same as:

"While I agree that Islam has been misrepresented accordingly by the media, may I kindly inquire if other religions may also be equally misrepresented as well? That is the core of my question. If other religions can indeed be equally be misrepresented, will they also have equal amount of extremism that will be associated with it?

Example. Let's use the power of the media to misrepresent Buddhism. Due to such misrepresentation, will worshipers / followers of the Buddhism faith / philosophy also conceive similar amount of extremism that we see today that is associated with the Islam religion?"


In short:

How should other religions be portrayed similarly to Islam, so that they may be similarly misrepresented by the media, and ended up with equal amount of extremism, similar to the Islam religion which you see in today's media?

Example. Say you are the media. What would you do to misrepresent a religion (Shintoism, Buddhism, etc), so that it will also conceive the same amount of misrepresentation and extremism, just like how the media today has done to the Islam religion?
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not sure if this answers the questions, but in the case of islam, it gained prominence due to the number of followers which are spread worldwide, instead of mostly focus to a specific geographic region (i.e:- hinduism, shintoism and buddhism). thus the level of exposure, representation and misrepresentation greatly differs.

it might not be religion, but i suppose, a similar analogy to your case would be that of communism and its media representation during the cold war. even to us in malaysia, the stigma remains.

and btw, im assuming, when we talked about "media," its the western media.

This post has been edited by lucifer_666: Jan 16 2015, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Jan 16 2015, 10:50 AM)
underwear  x bole pakai dah.... sangat ketat  cry.gif
i dun wan wear boxer
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What? You wear bikini?
Real man wear boxer!
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post Jan 16 2015, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Jan 16 2015, 10:50 AM)
underwear  x bole pakai dah.... sangat ketat  cry.gif
i dun wan wear boxer
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Last time i use to wear underwear. Bila start wear boxer, i never look back.
Only certain time only i wear underwear laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Daniel Alexander @ Jan 16 2015, 09:00 PM)
Last time i use to wear underwear. Bila start wear boxer, i never look back.
Only certain time only i wear underwear laugh.gif
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wear boxer no flip flip?? hmm.gif if terstim girl saw it?
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Jan 16 2015, 08:25 PM)
wear boxer no flip flip??  hmm.gif if terstim girl saw it?
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Only those with low self control will terstim.


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