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post Jan 15 2015, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 15 2015, 10:10 AM)
I'm sorry, but I don't think you understand my question. I already know that being a muslim does not means being an extremist, and I already know that full and well.

I'm asking how should other religions should be portrayed in order to attain the same kind of prejudice which coined the term, 'Islamophobia' in the first place.
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post Jan 15 2015, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 15 2015, 10:10 AM)
I'm sorry, but I don't think you understand my question. I already know that being a muslim does not means being an extremist, and I already know that full and well.

I'm asking how should other religions should be portrayed in order to attain the same kind of prejudice which coined the term, 'Islamophobia' in the first place.
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It is quite simple actually.
You just need to be a religion that the others already know that is the last and true religion from the only god in their own religion. Those that have power will try to subdue the religion because their fear of loosing the current followers. Which would also means loosing wealth and power. Since they did not win with brute force, they try with mind control.
Of course, i can give you a better reason/ method but my post on it will be deleted and i may be banned.
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post Jan 15 2015, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 15 2015, 10:10 AM)
I'm sorry, but I don't think you understand my question. I already know that being a muslim does not means being an extremist, and I already know that full and well.

I'm asking how should other religions should be portrayed in order to attain the same kind of prejudice which coined the term, 'Islamophobia' in the first place.
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Any religions have their own extremist.
We can find in their past history.
Some religions still extreme towards minority Muslim.
However, I hate to relate any religions with extremist.
For me, all religions guide the people to be good.
All religions have influence on our morality.

For example,
Not all Jews are evil.
The evil Jews are Zionist.
They are Jews which condemn the act of the Israel Govt.
They are Jews which rejected violence.

Maybe other Muslim can share their other opinion on your question.
But for me, I believe religions is the guide for humanity to
has a positive morality, ethics and behavior in our daily life.

Maybe your question is more related with media.
The media has the biggest influences to portrayed the religions
in today modern world.


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post Jan 15 2015, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(xein @ Jan 15 2015, 10:28 AM)
It is quite simple actually.
You just need to be a religion that the others already know that is the last and true religion from the only god in their own religion. Those that have power will try to subdue the religion because their fear of loosing the current followers. Which would also means loosing wealth and power. Since they did not win with brute force, they try with mind control.
Of course, i can give you a better reason/ method but my post on it will be deleted and i may be banned.
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While I agree that Islam has been misrepresented accordingly by the media, may I kindly inquire if other religions may also be equally misrepresented as well? That is the core of my question. If other religions can indeed be equally be misrepresented, will they also have equal amount of extremism that will be associated with it?

Example. Let's use the power of the media to misrepresent Buddhism. Due to such misrepresentation, will worshipers / followers of the Buddhism faith / philosophy also conceive similar amount of extremism that we see today that is associated with the Islam religion?

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post Jan 15 2015, 12:07 PM

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^ idk about buddhism as i dont have much knowledge about it. but if you look at judaism, you will see only small amount of followers are against zionist, the rest are either quiet about it or support the organization. thats the reason why some of us here confused when speaking about judaism/zionist. they hijacking the jews the same way as terrorists hijacking the muslims. that is why we need to prevent the terrorists before its getting synonym as jews/zionist.
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post Jan 15 2015, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(tentang rasa @ Jan 15 2015, 12:07 PM)
^ idk about buddhism as i dont have much knowledge about it. but if you look at judaism, you will see only small amount of followers are against zionist, the rest are either quiet about it or support the organization. thats the reason why some of us here confused when speaking about judaism/zionist. they hijacking the jews the same way as terrorists hijacking the muslims. that is why we need to prevent the terrorists before its getting synonym as jews/zionist.
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I suppose this has nothing to do with my question as well?
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post Jan 15 2015, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 15 2015, 12:15 PM)
I suppose this has nothing to do with my question as well?
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youre asking about how does the terrorist groups affect its followers/amounts yes?
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post Jan 15 2015, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(tentang rasa @ Jan 15 2015, 12:19 PM)
youre asking about how does the terrorist groups affect its followers/amounts yes?
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Err. no. Let me copy and paste my question again:

"I'm asking how should other religions should be portrayed in order to attain the same kind of prejudice which coined the term, 'Islamophobia' in the first place."

Which is also the same as:

"While I agree that Islam has been misrepresented accordingly by the media, may I kindly inquire if other religions may also be equally misrepresented as well? That is the core of my question. If other religions can indeed be equally be misrepresented, will they also have equal amount of extremism that will be associated with it?

Example. Let's use the power of the media to misrepresent Buddhism. Due to such misrepresentation, will worshipers / followers of the Buddhism faith / philosophy also conceive similar amount of extremism that we see today that is associated with the Islam religion?"


In short:

How should other religions be portrayed similarly to Islam, so that they may be similarly misrepresented by the media, and ended up with equal amount of extremism, similar to the Islam religion which you see in today's media?

Example. Say you are the media. What would you do to misrepresent a religion (Shintoism, Buddhism, etc), so that it will also conceive the same amount of misrepresentation and extremism, just like how the media today has done to the Islam religion?

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post Jan 15 2015, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 15 2015, 12:22 PM)
Err. no. Let me copy and paste my question again:

"I'm asking how should other religions should be portrayed in order to attain the same kind of prejudice which coined the term, 'Islamophobia' in the first place."

Which is also the same as:

"While I agree that Islam has been misrepresented accordingly by the media, may I kindly inquire if other religions may also be equally misrepresented as well? That is the core of my question. If other religions can indeed be equally be misrepresented, will they also have equal amount of extremism that will be associated with it?

Example. Let's use the power of the media to misrepresent Buddhism. Due to such misrepresentation, will worshipers / followers of the Buddhism faith / philosophy also conceive similar amount of extremism that we see today that is associated with the Islam religion?"


In short:

How should other religions be portrayed similarly to Islam, so that they may be similarly misrepresented by the media, and ended up with equal amount of extremism, similar to the Islam religion which you see in today's media?

Example. Say you are the media. What would you do to misrepresent a religion, so that it will also conceive the same amount of misrepresentation and extremism, just like how the media has done to the Islam religion?
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idk about it since i dont have much knowledge about Shintoism, Buddhism, etc.. you can ask the official thread of it.

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post Jan 15 2015, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(tentang rasa @ Jan 15 2015, 12:30 PM)
idk about it since i dont have much knowledge about Shintoism, Buddhism, etc.. you can ask the official thread of it.
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What about "etc"? It doesn't have to be Buddhism or Shintoism. It can be any religion. That is why I used "etc" in the sentence.
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 15 2015, 12:22 PM)
Err. no. Let me copy and paste my question again:

"I'm asking how should other religions should be portrayed in order to attain the same kind of prejudice which coined the term, 'Islamophobia' in the first place."

Which is also the same as:

"While I agree that Islam has been misrepresented accordingly by the media, may I kindly inquire if other religions may also be equally misrepresented as well? That is the core of my question. If other religions can indeed be equally be misrepresented, will they also have equal amount of extremism that will be associated with it?

Example. Let's use the power of the media to misrepresent Buddhism. Due to such misrepresentation, will worshipers / followers of the Buddhism faith / philosophy also conceive similar amount of extremism that we see today that is associated with the Islam religion?"


In short:

How should other religions be portrayed similarly to Islam, so that they may be similarly misrepresented by the media, and ended up with equal amount of extremism, similar to the Islam religion which you see in today's media?

Example. Say you are the media. What would you do to misrepresent a religion (Shintoism, Buddhism, etc), so that it will also conceive the same amount of misrepresentation and extremism, just like how the media today has done to the Islam religion?
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well, If I were the media, I would always tell the stories about how these bad people who happened to be of certain religions over and over again.
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post Jan 15 2015, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(nevland @ Jan 15 2015, 12:34 PM)
well, If I were the media, I would always tell the stories about how these bad people who happened to be of certain religions over and over again.
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But will you be able to conceive an equal amount of misrepresentation + extremism that is similar with the misrepresentation from today's media towards the Islam religion? And if you can, how would you do it?
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 15 2015, 12:45 PM)
But will you be able to conceive an equal amount of misrepresentation + extremism that is similar with the misrepresentation from today's media towards the Islam religion? And if you can, how would you do it?
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that would be impossible to tell / predict. you know that the media is controlled by certain group of people... right?

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QUOTE(nevland @ Jan 15 2015, 12:49 PM)
that would be impossible to tell / predict. you know that the media is controlled by certain group of people... right?
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I understand. But this is why the question I presented is a hypothetical one, in order to find out if one has all the power to control the media, how will he or she misrepresent a religion or a system of belief, so that it matches to the misrepresentation and the extremism involve in the Islam religion by today's media?
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post Jan 15 2015, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 15 2015, 12:58 PM)
I understand. But this is why the question I presented is a hypothetical one, in order to find out if one has all the power to control the media, how will he or she misrepresent a religion or a system of belief, so that it matches to the misrepresentation and the extremism involve in the Islam religion by today's media?
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actually the amount of misrepresentations arent much.. its the same thing over and over again with same stories but different groups.. perhaps they want to instill fear feeling towards <put whatever religion here>. you know that 'fear' can be a tool to get anything they want right?

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post Jan 15 2015, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(tentang rasa @ Jan 15 2015, 01:04 PM)
actually the amount of misrepresentations arent much.. its the same thing over and over again with same stories with different groups.. perhaps they want to instill fear feeling towards islam. you know that 'fear' can be a tool to get anything they want right?
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As I've said in my earlier posts. I understand how Islam was misrepresented (goodness, how many times have I repeat myself in regards of this?), be it via fear, propaganda, and etc.

The question is it possible to misrepresent other religions or systems of belief with an equal amount of prejudice and extremism that is similar to the Islam religion? If so, how would the power of media do it?

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post Jan 15 2015, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 15 2015, 01:15 PM)
As I've said in my earlier posts. I understand how Islam was misrepresented (goodness, how many times have I repeat myself in regards of this?).

The question is it possible to misrepresent other religions or systems of belief with an equal amount of prejudice and extremism that is similar to the Islam religion? If so, how would the power of media do it?
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Of course it's possible. You're basically answering your question. The media will do it the same way they have done it with Islam.
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post Jan 15 2015, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(livesnextd00r @ Jan 15 2015, 01:19 PM)
Of course it's possible. You're basically answering your question. The media will do it the same way they have done it with Islam.
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Thanks. So what exactly that was misrepresented with the Islam religion by the media, that conceives the amount of extremism that we know today? While I understand it is easy to say, "of course the media can do the same kind of damage to the other religions if they want it", but how would they've done it? Will it be more difficult to misrepresent a specific religion in comparison to another?

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post Jan 15 2015, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 15 2015, 01:37 PM)
Thanks. So what exactly that was misrepresented with the Islam religion by the media, that conceives the amount of extremism that we know today? While I understand it is easy to say, "of course the media can do the same kind of damage to the other religions if they want it", but how would they've done it? Will it be more difficult to misrepresent a specific religion in comparison to another?
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Well generally speaking, it's very complicated the whole Islam and media ordeal. However, basically, the media takes any killings or shootings where the perpetrators are Muslims and broadcast that news to fuel islamaphobia without actually knowing whether the cause was religiously motivated or something else. In reality, it doesn't really have to be about killings or shooting. Its very complicated and difficult to explain but basically that's what happened. And it could be done to any and/or every religion that exist out there. It's pretty safe to say that the degree of difficulty isn't really important.
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QUOTE(livesnextd00r @ Jan 15 2015, 01:45 PM)
Well generally speaking, it's very complicated the whole Islam and media ordeal. However, basically, the media takes any killings or shootings where the perpetrators are Muslims and broadcast that news to fuel islamaphobia without actually knowing whether the cause was religiously motivated or something else. In reality, it doesn't really have to be about killings or shooting. Its very complicated and difficult to explain but basically that's what happened. And it could be done to any and/or every religion that exist out there. It's pretty safe to say that the degree of difficulty isn't really important.
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I would like to believe you, but I suppose you can't blame me if I am to be skeptical to think Buddhism may conceive an equal amount of extremism as compared to Islam, even with an equal amount of misrepresentation of the Buddhist religion.

For example:

1) <Insert an inappropriate, lewd misrepresentation here> for the Islam religion by the media.
2) <Insert the same lewd misrepresentation here> for the Buddhism by the media.

How wrong would I be, if I am skeptical that Buddhism will conceive the same amount of extremism in response to the aforementioned, inappropriate, lewd misrepresentations by the media?

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