i will, i just want to hear examples from you.

So now this is getting personal?

The very core of reformation is related to individualism. Nowadays, individualism has increased. That's an example.

Reinterpretation of the text is in light of modern knowledge. Now we understand equality more, we incorporate modern system and ideology, etc. That's an example.

Again, this is a gradual process in a broad scale. You are looking for specific example, meaning you don't get it yet.

OK.

This post has been edited by ainuddin: Jan 12 2015, 12:51 PM

Kita berkongsi kongsi ilmu di sini, dan menghormati perbezaan pandangan..

Dan kita akui kita semua bukan sarjana besar

Kita tidak menggunakan kata2 kesat, dan kita tidak menghentam atau malabel orang lain dengan label2 yg bukan2. Hujah ilmiah dibalas dengan hujah ilmiah.

Apabila mula jadi emotional, ada baiknya kita just ignore..hopefully some other forumer will reply

*sekadar peringatan

Salam

Lowyat malayinglish forum

It should not be personal, or targeting individual.

I myself use bad words too sometimes

Yes I can. But I wont. It's tiring to make this personal. Read more about it yourself. And yeah, I'm no sarjana besar, you should learn from better people.

OK.

Salam fellow brother,

Hope we stay strong together to face this current situation.

The Quran always warn us about the "fitnah akhir zaman".

The fitnah also had lead Muslim to the first civil war.

The fitnah is the main reason the collapse of might Ottoman Empire.

We must stay strong together

Salam guys, need opinion on something. What do you guys think of a Muslim supplying to a non-halal restaurant? I personally do can't find any issues there though I would love another opinion

One opinion will say that it is allowed since the restaurant is considered a consumer/buyer. Whatever they do later is up to them.
Another will say that it is harom since the restaurant will use the money from non halal business to pay.

This post has been edited by seiferalmercy: Jan 12 2015, 06:17 PM

Al-Maidah:32 - Dengan sebab (kisah pembunuhan kejam) yang demikian itu kami tetapkan atas Bani Israil, bahawasanya sesiapa yang membunuh seorang manusia dengan tiada alasan yang membolehkan membunuh orang itu, atau (kerana) melakukan kerosakan di muka bumi, maka seolah-olah dia telah membunuh manusia semuanya; dan sesiapa yang menjaga keselamatan hidup seorang manusia, maka seolah-olah dia telah menjaga keselamatan hidup manusia semuanya. Dan demi sesungguhnya, telah datang kepada mereka Rasul-rasul kami dengan membawa keterangan yang cukup terang; kemudian, sesungguhnya kebanyakan dari mereka sesudah itu, sungguh-sungguh menjadi orang-orang yang melampaui batas (melakukan kerosakan) di muka bumi.

Hey, Muslim cannot be pornstar!! Later got death threat, they perform jihad on you! Haha.. jk jk

Devil's advocate: "itu tetapan ke atas bani israil!" Kita anak Ismail, anak Isaac, or even Judah, kita saam geng la.. ahli buku.

That's the point, kenapa kita yang KONONnya a religion of peace, di ajar membenci Yahudi, Kristian, dan agama lain? Kenapa memanggil mereka musuh Islam? lepas tu boleh debik dada pulak cakap religion of peace.

islam tak ajar kita mendabik dada dan bermusuh-musuhan.

I just ignore whatever notoriusfiq statement, apparently he is here to ensure the thread get derailed.

May Allah have mercy on him.

^ whatever makes you happy, man.. as long as wont harm other people.

Exactly. It's incomprehensible to hate people for irrational reasons..

my very personal opinion... nothing more, and hope that it can be openly and civilly discussed should there be disagreement, and eventually, if it comes to be, everyone may agree to disagree...

when it comes to sin, i believe that us human are given free-will, therefore we have the freedom to sin against god. doesnt mean that we should though. we're given mental capacity and intellect to think, reflect upon our decisions, actions and behavior. we were reminded of it thorugh warnings in the scriptures and the teachings of the prophet. and it is the justice of god in the after-life, eventually which will make us accountable to what we did, what we said in life.

us humans are not angels, created without free-will. and god doesnt create humans to be robot.

that being said, when it comes to sin between another human being, be it through theft, violence, corruption, lies or slander or anything which escaped my thought at the moment, that we condemn and punish accordingly.

those who overly focuses on sins, punishments and whats forbidden (haram) seems to be ignorant, or forgetful of the two characters of god himself, ar-rahman and ar-rahim. the most gracious, the most merciful. and upon saying amar ma'ruf nahi munkar (encouraging the good and forbidding the evil), often they choose to focus on "nahi munkar" part, even when its the second part of the saying, without doing anything about "amar ma'ruf"

thus, when one commit sins against him, do sincerely regret and do fear his wrath, but at the same time, return to him, seeking his boundless mercy.

some of us emphasize too much on punishments and sins and whats forbidden. that distract others from the beauty of justice and mercy and love in islam.

#endrant - for now...

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This post has been edited by lucifer_666: Jan 13 2015, 01:49 PM

kita diajar supaya berjaga2.. takde pulak diberitahu yg darah yahudi dan nasrani tu halal dibunuh.. bg aku ayat tu sangat relevan dengan dunia skrg ni(terrorist/zionist). yg aku peliknya terrorist ni ada banyak sangat masa untuk membunuh tapi takda masa nak fahami ayat2 dalam al-quran. cukup la satu tu tunjuk yg kita dilarang bunuh sesuka hati.

I agree with you lucifer_666. (whoah, that's a weird sentence to say )

I mean, tak malu ka (Traditional) Islamic organisations dok kecoh K-Pop lah, baju ketat lah, Taylor Swift lah, DNA babi lah, etc etc. Tengok organisasi lain Buddhist, Inter-faith, or just non-religious like soup kitchen, etc, pergi kutip derma, pergi tolong homeless, pergi buat free class utk under priviledge kids, etc.

Ada menteri tu kata duit selawat baik salur tolong mangsa banjir, habis dia kena bash dek traditionalist muslims. That itself says a LOT.

Fatwa against ISIS