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English Clubs Liverpool Kop Talk 2014, Newcastle-1, Liverpool-0
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kevafk
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Oct 25 2014, 02:04 AM
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Oct 25 2014, 12:53 AM) LOL seriously? like seriously? you reply wall of text just because I listed out BR transfer history and which I deem as a flop? Like really? Oh regarding 4th point, I do celebrate, because I never in my life expected we would finish 2nd, oh you mean celebrate here? not so much I guess. 1st point, HELL YEA Allen is a flop, at least for me, he used like how many season to actually become just decently, yea decently only, no where near good. 3rd point, I am so lazy of repeating the same thing regarding this give time infinite loop. all other point came out of nowhere, I have no idea how d hell you can come out with so many point, when I just list out my list of flop under BR. sorry i didnt know you didnt like it, i was thinking while i was at it why not put more points in it  i never expected Liverpool would win CL again after long years but they did, 2nd time finals..failed but im proud. Have some faith  i've said you need a bigger squad, you cant have only 11 best players to play all competition. Allen was ok, no where near as a FLOP. But never explain to me why is he a flop? This post has been edited by kevafk: Oct 25 2014, 02:43 AM
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Oct 25 2014, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Oct 25 2014, 01:02 AM) Yes, and that's partly because of Luis Suarez, it's doesn't take an IQ index of 2500 to figure this out. Need to stop flogging the dead horse here mate. Still new and young does not mean he gets to stay on, or otherwise we would have consider Roy Keane to be in the hot seat. Sorry, being in Liverpool is that demanding and fthe support you get is as good as your results on the pitch. We are not in Swansea. BR has been given all the CHANCE, MONEY, TIME and SUPPORT he needs from FSG and fans, it's time to deliver or we will get someone who will. Our aim is not lofty. Nevermind the duds, we just want to qualify for CL football the very least this season. That's where Liverpool belongs. That's where all great clubs belong. You mean partly also because of Sturridge, Coutinho, Hendo, Sterling, BR's brilliant tactic (HEHE) etc right? right? we playing with 11 players arent we. Didnt FSG said they carefully hired a younger, desire, willing manager to manage struggled LFC? Why not put a slight trust in him? This post has been edited by kevafk: Oct 25 2014, 02:23 AM
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Oct 25 2014, 02:14 AM
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Oct 25 2014, 01:15 AM) Sorry, I can't help it but to interject when everytime someone labels Xavi as a success. Deep inside, I have this moral obligation and duty to counter this argument. Lets put things into perspective, Xavi is brought into Liverpool to run the business like real Xavi did in Barcelona. (Hence the nick) But he's not. And he's just being used sporadically last season with mixed results. He is the type of player you sub into the game, when you are leading 1 or 2 goals up with 20-30 minutes left to play and all the legs grow weary and tired. That's when you bring the best out of him, coz he holds possession and slow the pace down. A 15mil player signed to dictate the midfield but being used as a squad player? Well, that's a flop to me. Then who do you suggest playing that role? a good 20-30mins sub if he helps i dont see a problem for a 15mil price tag player. I dare you to play 11 players only throughout the season + all competition. No way, Mourinho already said himself we are too thin and were lucky not to play other competition. If we ever want to play all competition you need a bigger squad, where you see Chelsea have 20-30mil players sitting on bench. Make sense? A flop is a complete failure, Allen no where near a complete failure. This post has been edited by kevafk: Oct 25 2014, 02:44 AM
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Oct 25 2014, 02:22 AM
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QUOTE(bitebug @ Oct 25 2014, 01:12 AM) It is unfair to compare the Liverpool under Benitez and the Liverpool under BR. Rafa had to scrap the bottom of the barrel to get his transfer funds back then. Even then, Rafa still has a better record than BR in his first 2 years at Liverpool. Transforming Carra and Hyypia, signed Luis Garcia, Alonso, Crouch, Agger, Reina, Sissoko in the process. Not forgetting he was also partly responsible for convincing Gerrard not to move to Chelsea back then. Also the creme de la creme, the 2005 champions league. I think you didnt get my point, i was comparing flops just because ppl already calling some of the current player a flop. I didnt blame Rafa, Woy, Houllier, Evans, Kenny signed some bad ones. I mean players come and go, you dont play well or not suitable or f**ing SUCKED then get out. We move on, we have couple of the recent "flops" already out of the club no? Its unfair to compare Rafa 5 years LFC career to 2 1/2 years LFC career, its only fair if you compare apple to apple yes?
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kevafk
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Oct 25 2014, 02:38 AM
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I was never against signing marquee players if we found one oh happy times, but if you look at our last season's squad.. it is too thin. If you say every single person sitting on bench are flops/useless, then you have zero football knowledge. No offence i say "IF" Ok now you need to find a suitable person to ready on the bench, low wage, decent player, willing and dont complain. Lets say you manage to keep Suarez and sign 2 Marquee with all the money you have, what if they got injured? again risking the team may be too thin to play all competition. Ok these 2 AMAZINGLY tough marquee (WOO WOO) player never get injured but you need to bench one of them. You could only hope they wont get unhappy, sulking, or giving bad habit being subbed (like kicking water bottles etc  ) and of coz this is all just i assumed. This post has been edited by kevafk: Oct 25 2014, 02:49 AM
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kevafk
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Oct 25 2014, 01:26 PM
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time and time again about Suarez, he was a risk. Do you even know how was his reputation back then? When he sign everyone was hoping he will not repeat what he does in Holland. And he does it again in the club + international, he was so close losing his career in the world cup and while still in LFC. (it was possible not getting any money out of him)
Numbers churned out to make BR look good? i thought statistic TALKS here?
This post has been edited by kevafk: Oct 25 2014, 01:37 PM
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Oct 25 2014, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE(bitebug @ Oct 25 2014, 04:12 AM) Nope. I'm saying it's unfair because Rafa had no access to the amount of money and resources BR has. Well money back then was smaller, prices now has gone up. BR so far only signed 5-6 players first year he took over, then 2013 he didnt buy much coz there wasnt much funds for him. Then comes to end of 2014 bought a bunch with the sale of Suarez's money and now into 5-6 months into the season. For me it is still very early to judge these players. This post has been edited by kevafk: Oct 25 2014, 01:35 PM
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Oct 25 2014, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE(19 Degree South @ Oct 25 2014, 11:54 AM) I am only afraid that even the Mickey Mouse trophy also seemed distance from us judging from the form that pool play. Joe Allan ?? Swansea is where he belongs!lol! We all know why BR doesn't play Borini! Ego ! Ego, man! oh please dont mock Swansea, doesnt matter where a players used to play as long he is useful. There is alot good of players came from diff lower tiered club This post has been edited by kevafk: Oct 25 2014, 01:45 PM
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Oct 25 2014, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Oct 25 2014, 09:57 AM) Well, for me hes definitely a flop, like said earlier, he used how many season to actually become decently or like how you said, ok, thats a flop for me. Btw, of course I have faith in Liverpool, but not so much in BR after the 100million transfer and after so many matches, only performance vs Spurs is promising. But I am not into the idea of replacing a manager in the middle of the season, replace or not, lets just wait until the season end. In short, I support, love and have faith in Liverpool, not BR, not the owner, nor the player. So if replacing manager will help the situation, so be it, if Arabian oil co. wanted to buy Liverpool, so be it, the same to the player. Ok fine, he is a flop for you. for me flop means a complete failure. Likes Milan Jovanovic, when Allen came on in certain games he makes a diff in terms of mobility and some certain formation he plays well. i can never imagine my beloved LFC is full of foreign players, not that i like BRITS but afterall is an English club. This post has been edited by kevafk: Oct 25 2014, 03:42 PM
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Oct 25 2014, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(jimbet1337 @ Oct 25 2014, 02:01 PM) Managing Suarez/Balo behaviour? Rodgers? Majorly contributed by Dr. Steve Peters. was it a success?
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Oct 25 2014, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Oct 25 2014, 01:51 PM) Statistic talks yes but those goals stats presented was a too weak to justify your point mate. And come on we have been following football long enough to know how the stat game works man. I can pick up a certain stats like shots off target or conversion rate, return of investment per minutes played and compare them between Kenny's to make BR look bad as well. Does it prove anything? No. Xavi has a higher sideway passing conversion rate per minutes played compared to Xavi Barcelona. Is he a better player than real Xavi? No. If you know Paul Tomkins, the famous Liverpool writer...this bloke is great at putting up all these compendium of useless stats to back certain individuals and players. At one point, he even wrote a full page article filled with stats on why Woy is best manager to coach Liverpool n he should be given 3 yrs to prove himself. And I stopped reading his blog soon after. But i thought goals were the one makes big diff, dont think its weak certainly there is a diff between Kenny and BR. Look im not backing BR for no reason after i've already seen difference from the start. Suarez already a beast in Ajax so there is no excuse why we gave him 1 and half year to prove himself. He should be able to adapt himself right away, just like Sturridge it is just crazy you compare Allen to Xavi, 15mil vs Priceless. Like comparing Belgium Messi/ German Messi vs the real Messi This post has been edited by kevafk: Oct 25 2014, 02:18 PM
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Oct 25 2014, 07:56 PM
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dont think anyone is slating Rafa, i myself is a Rafa admirer. Yea he had good 6 years of Liverpool so it is time to move on and hopefully BR made his name.
Rafa had bunch of mistake too, no one is perfect.
This post has been edited by kevafk: Oct 25 2014, 07:56 PM
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Oct 25 2014, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Oct 25 2014, 06:27 PM) for me BR done a good step to provide enough players for UCL, but because he always targeting the british players forced Liverpool to pay the premium price tag for squad players. other club mostly go for way cheaper foreign players to add squad numbers, then save the money to buy quality signing. you guys should have a proper squad to be in UCL now, the next step should be injecting more quality players.  I dont see a problem with english players, Chelsea had good amount of good english players. Liverpool had some too, before all these spanish reds.. it was almost all english in Liverpool. Chelsea been consistently in CL, the financial helps a lot past 4-5 seasons and build on base core players.
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kevafk
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Oct 25 2014, 09:45 PM
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meanwhile city lost to WH
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Oct 25 2014, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Oct 25 2014, 09:49 PM) BR to buy Sakho and Valencia from West Ham in addition to Soton's Tadic and Pelle next summer! please dont call it, last season everyone went OMG LALAMAN must buy. BAM Lallana signs! but i have high hopes for him altho price abit steep
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kevafk
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Oct 25 2014, 11:54 PM
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Ugh Balo so close, much better second half..
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kevafk
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Oct 25 2014, 11:55 PM
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Next up Barcelona v Madrid.. Cheer up guys
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Oct 25 2014, 11:59 PM
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Oct 25 2014, 11:56 PM) Coutinho play really good game but is he gonna be drop next game for lallaboy?suarez gonna play tonight for barca? Some of them played on Wednesday, prolly rested abit so he show with his pace and skill against tired legs. Hendo seems to get injured from Madrid match keeping him away from starting This post has been edited by kevafk: Oct 25 2014, 11:59 PM
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Oct 26 2014, 12:02 AM
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Oct 25 2014, 11:58 PM) El Classico! Suarez starts! Looking forward to enjoying some real football. Yep stay away from PL abit.. Or stay away from Balo abit He had a better game today with Lambert just like the spurs with Sturridge
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Oct 26 2014, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE(alan_kong84 @ Oct 26 2014, 12:05 AM) Suarez just assisted neymar goal... See... How important suarez is!!! He also just assist a yellow to Messi.. Haha chillax Suarez is memang good no doubt, just enjoy rhe match.. Isco a beast
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