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post Oct 7 2014, 10:41 AM

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Posted : 2014-10-06 17:11
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S. Korea, Indonesia signs fighter-jet deal

By Jun Ji-hye

South Korea signed an agreement with Indonesia, Monday, for joint development of Seoul's indigenous fighter jet, the KF-X, according to the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA).

A signing ceremony between the DAPA and the Indonesian Defense Ministry took place in Surabaja, Indonesia.

The accord, represents the largest-ever defense program for Seoul and was first envisioned in 2001 and pushed for in earnest in 2010.

It was a follow up to a memorandum of understanding signed by the two countries in 2010, and "specified details about basic principles about how to lead the project, including cost-sharing and work responsibilities," the DAPA said.

The DAPA finalized the plan on the KF-X project on Sept. 24 to develop and produce the home-built fighter jets to replace the aging F-4 and F-5 jets.

The government plans to spend 8.5 trillion won ($7.95 billion) to develop indigenous F-16 class fighter jets, which are scheduled for service from 2025.

Indonesia has joined Seoul's expensive project by vowing to meet 20 percent of the total budget required for the development.

In accordance with the agreement, the joint project will be led by two companies, one from each country. The DAPA said it will set up the "Joint Program Management Office," which brings together government officials from both nations, to effectively manage the project.

"Today's agreement paved the way for the two nations to boost co-operation in a wide range of fields from designing the warplane and developing its prototype to testing and evaluating it," the DAPA said. "It will help both nations reduce their financial burdens while promoting their aviation industries."

The two countries have given shape to the joint development plan through the joint exploratory activities conducted from June 2011 to December 2012.

The DAPA plans to select the preferred bidder in November and sign a contract on the system development the following month. Korea Aerospace Industries, the nation's sole fighter jet maker, is likely to be chosen as its developer.


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post Oct 7 2014, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 7 2014, 07:53 AM)
- With speed of 4.5nm per hour, it will be another 36 hour before they reach KK sepanggar base. ETA 7pm tomorrow
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LOL tongkang speed, literally 8km/h if on land. At least will take 2 days to reach shore laugh.gif
Reach Sepanggar everybody dead tired & muntah2 already.

Takde ke helicopter untuk evacuate crew to shore first? Or crew have to remain with boat under tow/on board KD Ganas all the way to Sepanggar?
Kesian pulak, dah la dekat 2 hari drifting in sea state 5, pastu nak balik pun kena lagi 2 hari at 4.5 knots.

People who just had stared death in the eye don't need this sh*t, man sad.gif

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post Oct 7 2014, 12:43 PM

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North, South Korean patrol ships exchange fire

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A South Korean naval patrol ship near the disputed Korean sea border

DPRK and ROK patrol ships briefly exchanged fire after South Korea accused a North Korean ship of penetrating up to half a mile into the disputed sea border at the western side of the Korean peninsula. Apparently the ROK ship fired a warning shot that was answered with a shot by the DPRK ship. The both ships exchanged a few shots before both ships retreated.

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post Oct 7 2014, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 7 2014, 10:09 AM)
Not yet because they not strong enough.
if isis really attack turkey actually quite vulnerable as they can attack from outside and inside.
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IS main goals are Syria and Iraq, then Jordan, Lebanon and the Gulf states..

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 7 2014, 12:43 PM)
North, South Korean patrol ships exchange fire

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A South Korean naval patrol ship near the disputed Korean sea border

DPRK and ROK patrol ships briefly exchanged fire after South Korea accused a North Korean ship of penetrating up to half a mile into the disputed sea border at the western side of the Korean peninsula. Apparently the ROK ship fired a warning shot that was answered with a shot by the DPRK ship. The both ships exchanged a few shots before both ships retreated.

News Link: North, South Korea exchange fire in naval encounter
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marah kalah bola kot tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Oct 7 2014, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(trouble_chegu @ Oct 7 2014, 08:18 AM)
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Pnah try time pkbm dlu
Tapi xda la tutup mata
Gi bwak lawan ngan geng stor snjata br posting
Geng pkbm menang
Geng stor snjata nervous kot
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untung la dapat pasang2 M16 sad.gif
aku dapat tembak je
army tak ajar pun kitorang cara cleaning/pasang M16 ni

tapi atleast dapat pegang roket AT (probably LAW) kt stor senjata biggrin.gif
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post Oct 7 2014, 02:01 PM

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Some of TNI new hardwares taking part in TNI Anniversary Rehearsal.

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post Oct 7 2014, 02:14 PM

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Wow....the parade is impressive with great soundtracks...actions are well-timed
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post Oct 7 2014, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Oct 7 2014, 12:53 PM)
untung la dapat pasang2 M16  sad.gif
aku dapat tembak je
army tak ajar pun kitorang cara cleaning/pasang M16 ni

tapi atleast dapat pegang roket AT (probably LAW) kt stor senjata  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 3 2014, 10:22 PM)
This is also a mystery to me. Are Malaysian shipyards not capable enough to build heavy patrol ships specifically for APMM? Its not like they're that much use sensitive equipment or high-tech gears. A large, dependable ship with basic radar & electronic systems are enough. Small arms like light machineguns are enough for coast guard duty, long patrol endurance & seaworthiness are more valued in coast guard ships.

So sad to see APMM keep getting old decommissioned RMN ships & Marine police boats and be expected to fully protect the entire Malaysian coastal area with that kind of equipment.
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Hong Leong Lurssen previously built Jerong-class patrol boat long time ago. I'm sure there are many others that have such capabilities.
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post Oct 7 2014, 03:00 PM

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CB204 being towed by KD Ganas. I believed she lost her Furuno radar mast. TLDM picture.


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post Oct 7 2014, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 7 2014, 03:00 PM)
I though when towing a smaller vessel, they will tie it alongside on multiple points rather than using a single cable to tow it behind? Less stress on the towed boat, I believe. hmm.gif

P.s.: I would NOT want to be on a boat that small on a sea that gray-looking. Some of the waves already look higher than the deck.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 7 2014, 09:43 AM)
Well according to their spokemen.
they do not have any problem modifying their Gumdoksuri class to meet our requirements and environments it can be done easily.
Though they proposed a much larger ship in response to the tldm rfp.
I hope tldm looking into the needs of fac ~500tonnage class as we badly needed it.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 7 2014, 09:57 AM)
Do u think if we buy fac will build in malaysia?? And how many u think will be suitable?? Replace all current fac at 1 to 1 ratio meaning around 20??
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Start small build in multiple batches.
let say 6-10units at a time.
I think we need at least 36-54 units to cover both peninsular and borneo.
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agree, we need 500~600 tons+ FAC, but i think need to divided to FAC and patrol boat .... it is 2 different role and cost also huge different.
2nd, is hard to get 36~54 FAC event by batches due to cost too high for gov, FAC cost not much different to full weapon Corvette ship (cost 200~250 million usd). patrol boat cost just less than usd 100 million, it can be same ship design with FAC spec and Patrol boat spec .

For Perdana & Handalan FAC --> total 8 unit to 12 unit new FAC 500~600 tons more idea cost for gov.
For Jerung class --> total 6 unit to at lease 24 unit new Patrol boat with 2 High speed RIBs, low cost and can built in big quantity.

FAC Spec --> Surveillance radar + 4~8 SSM missile, defense missile like SeaRAM/CAMM, 57/76 Navy gun, 20/25mm navy gun, +12.7 mm gun. speed minimum 35 Knot. single RIBs. (optional ASW Hull sonar)

Patrol boat --> Marine radar + navigation radar, 25/35mm main gun, 2x 12.7mm gun, 2 RIBs for optimization boarding party. + extra 4~8 special arm force. endurance at lease 7 day on sea.

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Oct 7 2014, 03:50 PM)
agree, we need 500~600 tons+ FAC, but i think need to divided to FAC and patrol boat .... it is 2 different role and cost also huge different.
2nd, is hard to get 36~54 FAC event by batches due to cost too high for gov, FAC cost not much different to full weapon Corvette ship (cost 200~250 million usd). patrol boat cost just less than usd 100 million,  it can be same ship design with FAC spec and Patrol boat spec .

For Perdana & Handalan FAC --> total 8 unit to 12 unit new FAC 500~600 tons more idea cost for gov.
For Jerung  class  --> total 6 unit to at lease 24 unit new Patrol boat  with 2 High speed RIBs, low cost and can built in big quantity.
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I dun think the cost will be expensive.
building by batches are meant to make the whole procurement much affordable.
An 500tonnage fully weaponise would cost less than usd 100mil unless you are proposing to buy hamina class.
heck even a visby class cost around usd200mil each.
If you asking for a patrol vessel with rhib than ideally we go for samudera class.

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post Oct 7 2014, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 7 2014, 09:55 AM)
Kd paus 4.5nm/h?? Apa ini??
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Towing speed, can see tugboat also operates like that

Slow cuz have to careful about few things, rope strength, towed ship condition, weather condition, speed (pull too hard the bow might take on water and then sink)
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post Oct 7 2014, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 7 2014, 03:00 PM)
Wah.. either that just wave on her bow or she is really low on the waterline
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post Oct 7 2014, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 7 2014, 04:10 PM)
I dun think the cost will be expensive.
building by batches are meant to make the whole procurement much affordable.
An 500tonnage fully weaponise would cost less than usd 100mil unless you are proposing to buy hamina class.
heck even a visby class cost around usd200mil each.
If you asking for a patrol vessel with rhib than ideally we go for samudera class.
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hamina price is long time ago, than is built by own finland company. so price is acceptable, for now export version at lease usd 150 mil for now.
also hamina only 250 tons, if wiki is correct, the endurance range only 500 nmi, no much can do for 500nmi event 1000 nmi range...
also RMN ask to replace fac, i think around 8~12 unit only.
samudera class is too bigger as patrol boat (1270 ton), offcouse it can use as patrol boat.

i got read a article not sure you read before, Australia Armidale Class Patrol Boat actually is project join Australia and Malaysia, malaysia will buy some quantity of this patrol boat, but at 2001/2002 Malaysia cancel to continue this project due to Economic crisis (no budget) AZ continue project until launch at 2007.

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 7 2014, 05:12 PM)
Wah.. either that just wave on her bow or she is really low on the waterline
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Oct 7 2014, 05:15 PM)
hamina price is long time ago, than is built by own finland company. so price is acceptable, for now export version at lease usd 150 mil for now.
also hamina only 250 tons, if wiki is correct, the endurance range only 500 nmi, no much can do for 500nmi event 1000 nmi range...
also RMN ask to replace fac, i think around 8~12 unit only.
samudera class is too bigger as patrol boat (1270 ton), offcouse it can use as patrol boat.

i got read a article not sure you read before,  Australia  Armidale Class Patrol Boat actually is project join Australia and Malaysia, malaysia will buy some quantity of this patrol boat, but at 2001/2002 Malaysia cancel to continue this project due to Economic crisis (no budget) AZ continue project until launch at 2007.
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Well I just stating my opinions we need 36-54 units will be enough to cover peninsular and borneo.
We need at least 12-18units for esscom 6-8 units for pulau layang-layang, bintulu 3-4units, that not yet include selat melaka and langkawi.
as for samudera I hoping it modified to carry uav like scan eagle and rhib mayb cb90s if we have the money.
Also there is no classification how big a patrol boat should.
Anyway it just a wishfil thinking of mine.

As for armidale class, yes we did join into the project but in then we pull out iinm as we favor kedah class thus armidale class cancel. It reopen in 1999.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 7 2014, 06:11 PM)
Ya china even type 056 only 70m, build fac although malaysia cost higher than china but probably still will be quite low

Also patrol boat and fac maybe can use same ship platform??
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Usd70mil for the hull alone. Iinm.
weapons systems and sensors on differ contract.

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