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waja2000
post Oct 7 2014, 10:02 PM

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Austal Cape St George patrol boat
I quite like this patrol boat,
380 tons, 58 meter, aluminium hull. 2 RIBs, price usd 4x million if not wrong. good for APMM.

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post Oct 7 2014, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 7 2014, 10:37 PM)
why does this look like a luxury yacht  tongue.gif  anyway i think apmm need faster ships for patrol and this is only 25 knots max, rhib can catch enemies at fast speed etc but cant go far and malaysia waters is not like singapore where rhib can cover almost everywhere, malaysia need the mothership to reach near enough at high speed first before deploy rhib
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This is new trend design for efficient patrol boat with dimension 58x10.5m and just 380 tons,it design comfortable to crew, improve life level at ship, so helping crew working at boat for long time, importance is economical endurance (patrol cost), Cape class endurance 4000nmi, and stay at sea for 28 days, enough to cover strategic area for long time with out go back to re-fuel, no need take long time to reach area. what need to do is planing patrol zone so can cover the EEZ area.
we can select more high speed patrol boat like 35~40 knot (Waterjet Engine), but it use double consumption of diesel at low patrol speed, means not fuel efficient(less economic), endurance range reduce 50%.
anyway the boat/ship propulsion is up to customer selection, Cape class can select wajater Jet engine for highspeed or Diesel for low speed with economical endurance.

in 2012 got new type propulsion Voith Linear Jet propulsion system. maybe very new, take time to become popular

The Voith Linear Jet combines the best properties of propellers with the best properties of waterjets. Low installation complexity, low sensitivity to marine growth, sustained high efficiency across the vessels' speed range and high bollard pull are borrowed from the propeller side. Reduced vessel draft, the ability to reach high speeds with high efficiency and low noise and vibration levels are borrowed from the waterjet side.

http://www.voith.com/en/products-services/...-jet-40389.html

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post Oct 8 2014, 01:54 AM

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Slow slow slow wait ..now 2019.. 5 year later .. become more outdated ship

Malaysia targeting 2019 in-service date for littoral combat ship

http://www.janes.com/article/44120/malaysi...ral-combat-ship

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post Oct 8 2014, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(remyzero09 @ Oct 8 2014, 08:45 AM)
Aussies give Malaysia 2 patrol boats to fight people smuggling – Bernama
Published: 6 February 2014

Tak dapat Cape Class, Bay class pun jadilah. Australia dah banyak bantu kita mencari MH370. Inilah masa untuk balas budi dengan beli Armidale dalam 12-16 buah....
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Agree, but should use Cape class as platfrom. Armidale already 10 year ago design, although quite advance actually.

bay class --> Armidale class --> Cape class.

Cape class platform is enhancement from Armidale class, it design base on Armidale crew feedback and experiences.

“Although only 1.3 metres longer than the Armidales, the 58 metre Cape Class have some 30 per
cent more internal volume, provide 33 per cent more range, and retain fuel efficient performance in
the 25 knot speed bracket. These are just some of the tangible benefits of Austal’s intellectual
property, design capability and excellence in aluminium shipbuilding,” Mr Bellamy said. (copy from net)

if APMM use than not much change, but if RMN use, need to change more system like add 25~35mm gun at front of boat, communication etc.
just check again price is $50 million each cape class

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post Oct 8 2014, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 8 2014, 12:24 PM)
by tat time i think south china sea become china lake alr.. btw anyone know if the sgpv will be based in east malaysia??
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possible, Sepangar base and new plan navy base in Bintulu, main asw use in South china sea.
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post Oct 8 2014, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 8 2014, 01:25 PM)
i think better to base at labuan since there alr got one base and its location is the best cos halfway between spratly islands and james shoal. maybe one squadron(3 ships) base at labuan then one squadron at lumut. kasturi and lekiu maybe can relocate to less serious areas(serious meaning less chance of conflict) like kuantan and kuching or bintulu.

but i thot bintulu base was set up as an amphibious base and not warship base
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Labuan no navy base only airforce base, anyway Labuan not munch different with KK Sepangar Base if said on range.
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post Oct 8 2014, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 8 2014, 03:16 PM)
Brand-new China Cost Guard cutters. Now in small (500 Tons), medium (1,000 tons) or large (3,000 Tons) flavors. Extra large (12,000 Tons) flavor to be introduced next year.  biggrin.gif
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you miss 5000 tons China Cost Guard ship. biggrin.gif , i see 12K tons contruction photo, it look like experiments ship for 12K tons destroyer

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post Oct 8 2014, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 8 2014, 03:31 PM)
Rly meh.. Tat means wikipedia info salah, anyway i thot its known that we shouldnt put all our expensive equipment in one place becos in times of war damn easy to take out, one bomb and our navy gg
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my mistake, Labuan is small Navy base, just Sepanggar navy base is East malaysia Navy HQ, also submarine base.
Gowind is our bigger warship, so basically it will located to Sepanggar for better crew arrangement and facility.
anyway Labuan shipyard now doing service and repair for Kedah class station in sabah/sarawak.
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post Oct 8 2014, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 8 2014, 03:25 PM)
5,000 ton ship built by another shipyard,so no together picture  laugh.gif

12k construction photo? You mean this? Some speculate this is 12k ton destroyer, but I see it's somewhat rough-looking, not having destroyer-like clean lines, so probably its a coast guard ship.
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i means more to test structure, propulsion and engine. island on deck is no issue. they doing mockup testing in wuhan.
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post Oct 8 2014, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Oct 8 2014, 10:00 PM)
yup it was nvr designed for ldp because it was before the russian have the ldp for transportation  laugh.gif

Unlike the US  which designed the LCAC then get all existing ldp to fit it in

Zubr under PLA is preparation for taiwan and japan  whistling.gif
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Not worry
chinese own type LCAC long time in service with Type 071 LPD.... at lease 3 year before get Zubr .......

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post Oct 8 2014, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Oct 8 2014, 10:53 PM)
not surprising that it resembles the US lCAC  whistling.gif
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more resembles to korea lcac than US one...
anyway if RMN buy Type 071, i think RMN will not include LCAC, actually LCAC price is expensive and cost operation a bit high too。

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post Oct 9 2014, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 8 2014, 11:33 PM)
Anywayss almost impossible for us to buy china stuffs, who the hell buys equipment from a country youre having a dispute with, even if youre not to jeopardise relations
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that is old mind set ....
new trend is you sell weapon to country having dispute, than u know there ability and weapon, so for you easy take it down, went your dispute country use other country weapon, you not sure how good there weapon (maybe just know spec only) .....

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post Oct 9 2014, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(emanresu @ Oct 9 2014, 10:28 AM)
Msia can build the frame and shell of any military vehicles no problem. Hot form metal and shape into anything you like. Problem is how to make them move. Can proton do engine for ship, for jets, for submarines etc2.. thats the prob
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dont related too much for Proton, our industrial level still very low. not much country at world can make ship engine, event china also import from US, Ukraine and German for there war/support ship。 anyway china own ship engine in RnD state. should be ready in 2~3 year more。

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post Oct 9 2014, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 9 2014, 12:21 PM)
Is this posted already?
already post 1 month ago.....
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post Oct 9 2014, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Oct 9 2014, 02:33 PM)
Ape cer kita kt sini..... ade cerita baru ka??
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viewback 60+ pages ... hot pasal CB90 hilang 。。。。

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post Oct 9 2014, 04:23 PM

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any one think before if your are billionaire, u will donate to gov buy military asset?
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hot waiting tomorrow budget, how much $$$ Mindef will get .... 20 billion for all should be ok. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 9 2014, 06:48 PM)
LOL, you wish!   laugh.gif

I predict about the same as last year's budget allocation, sadly APMM also I think about the same as last year.
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this year our budget around RM 16 billion (operation + development), if this year got RM 20 billion than very good liao

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 9 2014, 11:23 PM)
How come we nvr see them b4 in any operations?? Anybody know where they are based??
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this Kris class is ship sinking went chase china warship ah?
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 10 2014, 08:48 AM)
Wish we could have in budget to upgrade or expand Navy/APMM patrol boat fleet.

I don't like the idea of Malaysia's sea borders protected by 30-40 year old ships, especially when Malaysian sea border is about 70% of total border lines. Even the addition of 10-20 brand new patrol boats would help a lot. The old boats have soldiered on long enough, time to add new blood.

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agree, old ship replacement + additional ship, also cost alot too, i think maybe GST start role out。 gov have more budget for Mindef/APMM on 2016/2017.

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