Our Lekiu-class frigates also not guaranteed can decently fight (on paper, Type 056 still have superior weapons, even as corvettes). Also considering we only have 2 in the whole RMN fleet and PLA navy probably have already deployed 10+ Type 056 ships in South China Sea right about now, chances are decidedly not so in our favor.

P.S.: Probably if they use the whole fleet of Type 056 only, PLA Navy can already overwhelm entire SEA nations' navy.

When I did my research on the type 056, I noticed two distinct types of people commenting on the Type 056.

On the US STRONK! side, most criticized that the type 056 as an cheap, out-of-date, technologically inferior ship that would be sunk long before it even detected the presence of a US warship.

On the other side, more moderate commenters has stated that while the Type 056 is, in fact, a basic, cheap and technologically inferior ship in regards with US ships, it's exactly what is needed in a littoral combat role with its more 'grunt' type of work. As they say "you don't need a Ferrari to plow a rice field".

Haha fanbois always la want the heaviest weapons systems in all warships, if possible destroyer-grade weapons also want to put into a small corvette.

In fact most modern corvettes are even less armed than the Type 056, some don't even have anti-air missiles, only CIWS. Some don't even have anti-ship missiles & have to rely on gun for any surface action. So considering its limited coastal patrol role, low cost and low tonnage, for me it's the weapons load is appropriate & adequate for the Type 056 to do its job. Contemporary corvettes like Dutch Sigma-class or German Braunschweig-class are quite similar to Type 056 in terms of weapons loadout (main gun, short range SAM, 2-4 anti-ship missiles, CIWS & torpedo launcher).

Also on the issue of Type 056 not having a hangar, since most the Type 056 is expected to operate in coastal areas near shore on short-time basis, there's less heavy bad ocean weather to worry about, seas are also calmer most of the time so keeping a helicopter tied down on the landing pad & covering with tarp when not on flight ops should still be OK, worse comes to worse if very bad weather is expected can always transfer the helicopter to nearby shore, no problem.

Also,where did you got the info that Type 056 has a 2D radar only? I can't find any references.

is that 24 vls

But still, there might be many large scale exercises using the 4 052Ds they plan to commission into south sea fleet. Their coast guard ships are gonna appear a lot more than the navy ships too which is why i think we should get a 1000+ ton cheap ship with a few guns and water cannon and fvcking loud loudspeakers for apmm, maybe smth like a modified ngv tech training ship

This is also a mystery to me. Are Malaysian shipyards not capable enough to build heavy patrol ships specifically for APMM? Its not like they're that much use sensitive equipment or high-tech gears. A large, dependable ship with basic radar & electronic systems are enough. Small arms like light machineguns are enough for coast guard duty, long patrol endurance & seaworthiness are more valued in coast guard ships.

So sad to see APMM keep getting old decommissioned RMN ships & Marine police boats and be expected to fully protect the entire Malaysian coastal area with that kind of equipment.

I think smaller could be better because more maneoeuvrable, easier to ram other ships plus coast guard basically only got gun and water cannon,no matter how big also carry gun and water cannon, not like bigger can carry more weapons like destroyers/cruisers.

Also china need big ships because the "coast" they need to "guard" is not really a coast while for malaysia its a lot nearer

Maybe stock specs dont dare, but if i reinforce chassis and put steel spikes and armor its a different case. Speaking of that, why has nobody tried to reinforce the metal in the front of the ship to ram??

If facing CCG 3,000 ton ship that's another matter la, I'm more concerned if APMM cannot do their bread and butter job like anti-piracy and catching smugglers & infiltrators due to  problems with its old & outdated ships. They're a law-enforcement agency, not like Navy, so they have to work on active operations everyday. Also due too geography they got way too much water to cover (East & West peninsular plus the 90% north Borneo & also east Sabah). IMHO that's too much strain on 30-year old ships.

Just imagine like if police still have to use old 1980s Proton Saga nowadays....and they only have 100 for all of Malaysia

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Malaysian coastal EEZ area (in blue)

haha no need to copy that la, just try build what we can. No need mil-spec, as long can do patrol duty ok then fine already la. Vietnam use converted fishing trawler already can patrol

Dunnid military spec for everything ba just make sure steel strong enough

the boat no equip with GPS or any tracking device?

Finally, after years(actually abt 2 weeks) of searching, after reviewing countless numbers of ships and  considering various factors like armament, compatibility, size, speed, capability, i have found the perfect missile boat replacement for malaysia

What u guys think ?? Info page

Good to see our boys are safe.

Anyway, I hear that they were heading towards Pulau Layang-Layang for rotation when contact was lost about 20 nautical miles from shore. Should a CB-90 boat actually operate that far to sea (Pulau Layang-Layang)? I don't think they are seaworthy enough to make the trip.

I thot the design is from 2012??? And i think u meant ssm right, anyway i dont think it affects too much and it should be easily modifiable right?? Just add 2 panels simple Hmm why do u say its not compact?? Judging by the size of the gun i think at most 50-60 meters only ma, idk if its just me but ratio doesnt look like got problem to me (only to me). Other than that its quite good, no?? Its fast(70kmh) and uses same weapons as navy(i heard somewhere the navy dont like the laksamana becos weapons all diff). Shallow draught can use in station lima. All thats left is the price

That's exactly what I asked. Is it appropriate to use the CB-90 for a trip to Pulau layang-layang, which as I heard is nearly a day's trip from Sepanggar?
It seems way too far out to sea for a boat of the CB-90s specifications.

Sure it could, but have to ask if whether they should. A trip on a small boat across open seas for the better part of a day is not as predictable or safe as taking a car on the PLUS highway from KL to JB. Anything and everything can happen on the open sea.

Ya I know not literally that simple add 2 panel but install radar absorbent and flame proof panels is not that hard when u compare in shipbuilding ma..
  I thot conventional hull that around 50-60m long almost all around 8-9m wide like flyvefisken, roussen, buyan, hamina, gumdoksuri etc

  I mean if it works why not right?? Gumdoksuri also not a old ship and they are also only 9m, not really many new ship use wider ratio wad...

Ya speed is not much different la, sufficient enuff..
  But the thing about fs56 is that it is french company design operating french missiles, definitely gonna be better than other country trying to fit a foreign missile into their ships right, and comfirm will have integration problems, plus we already have good defence relations with france, why dont we keep it that way??

Well according to their spokemen.
they do not have any problem modifying their Gumdoksuri class to meet our requirements and environments it can be done easily.
Though they proposed a much larger ship in response to the tldm rfp.
I hope tldm looking into the needs of fac ~500tonnage class as we badly needed it.

Do u think if we buy fac will build in malaysia?? And how many u think will be suitable?? Replace all current fac at 1 to 1 ratio meaning around 20??

Start small build in multiple batches.
let say 6-10units at a time.
I think we need at least 36-54 units to cover both peninsular and borneo.

I dun think the cost will be expensive.
building by batches are meant to make the whole procurement much affordable.
An 500tonnage fully weaponise would cost less than usd 100mil unless you are proposing to buy hamina class.
heck even a visby class cost around usd200mil each.
If you asking for a patrol vessel with rhib than ideally we go for samudera class.

Ya china even type 056 only 70m, build fac although malaysia cost higher than china but probably still will be quite low

Also patrol boat and fac maybe can use same ship platform??