Only $13 million each......

Need to build more than a dozen of these. the Frosch class is already too old.

Royal Malaysian Navy targeting 2019 for Gowind Frigates

Adm Aziz also said the RMN would soon increase its capabilities in operations there with nine surplus US Navy Mark 5 Special Operations Boats along with the purchase of a number of locally built fast boats.
News Link: Malaysia targeting 2019 for service of Gowind-class Frigates

Die la, china see vietnam and indon and japan and aussie buy submarine, now build asw so much, our scorpene also gg

How do you guys feel about our sgpvs having only one line of defence against missiles (using their mica)?? Personally i feel that its really not sufficient and i think we should invest a few more million to significantly improve the chance of survivability of them.

most value for money option would probably be adding 4 more sylver cells and quad packing crotale vt1 missiles, gives the ships another line of defence and maybe throw in a millenium ciws, although i think the crotales would be much more worth and judging from dcns photos there seems more than enough space to add in more than 4 extra cells.

most ships nowadays have at least 2 layers of defence other than the main gun, even indons sigma have millenium

The Mark V are hot transfer from the US, which is free. We only need to pay for the refurbishment cost. Question is this refurbishment is done locally (as propose by RMN) or in the States?

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bro i think u referring to ngpv and our kedah class gonna upgrade?? Ada sos??

This ship probably the closest we can get to USS San Antonio class 
/ carrier

This ship got guns ah??

Right now, I'd prefer it better if RMN buy 1-2 ex MISC freighters and turn them into logistics & transport sealift ships. It would be much more logical & easy to turn civilian freighters into military freighters, don't need any mil-spec requirements but probably need to add a Ro-Ro system for easier vehicle embarkation/disembarkation. Now RMN's logistics fleet very reduced after KD Sri Inderapura burned down & for logistics and supplies can only rely on KD Sri Mahawangsa & KD Sri Inderasakti. 

Malaysia is split between peninsular & east Malaysia by sea, better if RMN have more supply & logistics ships to keep SLOC running smoothly so it's easier & faster to move stuff so the military can be more flexible in deploying and transporting troops & assets, especially now as the government have decided to significantly reinforce Eastern Sabah & SCS coast, so can expect increased military movements between peninsular & east Malaysia.

I'm talking about converting ships for normal logistics shipping, not wartime operations sealift. Buying LPD or LST to just to ferry tanks for deployments seems rather extravagant. In peacetime we usually use civilian charter,but I feel better if RMN have 1-2 dedicated sealift ships for ferrying logistics & troops across SCS on its own, just in case for some reason we can't use charter ships.

Either case, converting an existing merchant ship is relatively easier than building a ship from the ground up and cheaper than buying a new purpose-built transport ship. Even US navy use Military Sealift Command (MSC) to buy/lease and convert freighter ships to move around military logistics & supplies. It's so much that its reported that the US Navy uses the MSC for up to 95% of military sealift in peacetime.


MV Cape Victory, a former freighter converted to logistics ship

Again, I understand the uses of an LPD ship,but I'm talking about a logistics fleet of about 1 or 2 freight ships for cross-SCS cargo runs only. I'm sure buying 1 or 2 ex-freighter ships and painting them grey won't take much the RMN's annual budget (a used 5,000-ton freight ship costs about $10-20 million USD on average, according to my research, although internal modifications for it to fit large military equipment will cost extra). As the issue of crew, a freighter usually only has 20-30 crew only & running a freighter doesn't need as high a training level as running a frigate. Also because of its use as a peacetime logistics run, the ship can be permanently based at a civilian port and the cargo distributed/loaded from there.

(Also how much does shipping companies charge for the military for renting their cargo ships? Anybody got any idea?)

Also, how is it buying 1-2 ex freighter ships makes it harder for RMN to buy LPD in the first place? The RMN annual budget as it stand nowadays, we probably can't afford LPDs anytime soon. I mean, it's not like the navy can keep away some money from the annual budget in a bank and then buy LPDs when they have enough money saved to afford them. AFAIK once you get the budget for the year, you have to spend all of it in that year. So unless the RMN gets a significant annual budget increase that makes it possible to buy LPDs for that particular year, i don't see how we can afford LPDs in the first place.

And how would buying 2 ex-freighters throw off this equation somehow that they make it hard for us to buy LPDs? Plus you and I are probably savvy enough to know even if it says $100 mil on the price tag, the end price will be much higher than that. Also factor in the cost of helicopters, landing craft & the troops deployed onboard, plus other 'hidden costs' I'd wager to say the total cost will run way,way more than that. But that's besides the question.

What I'm saying is it so ridiculous for RMN to buy 1 or 2 good condition used ex-freighters at reasonable price (probably no more than $30 mil USD for 2), send to shipyard for modifications for 6 months, train sufficient crew until they can run a freighter and then within half a year you can get dedicated Navy-owned cargo ships to go on cross-SCS transport runs every month at your pleasure. I'm pretty sure that is a worthwhile target.

Heck, If RMN is also that dirt poor, another option RMN can take some ships on long-term lease from MISC, paint them grey and hire civilian crews as reservists to man the ships on supply runs. As long as we have dedicated logistics fleet running regular supply runs that don't rely 100% on civilian contractors.

"Amateurs talk about tactics,professionals study logistics"- General Robert S. Barrow (US Marine Corps)

btw I dun think famous brand is what the government looking at.
if not we already have tons of german, england and us stuff.
As for china stuff it is best we avoid their high tier stuff first wait for them to build up their reputation.
I dun think we have problem in buying indonesia stuff.
singapore and israel yes a huge political hurdle is there.

Well as for me.
what our government military policy need to look at.

1. Look at the overall assets which have to urgently replace and which have to build on number and which have to trim off.
2. Looking at what our priority is in short term, mid term, long term and most of all which direction are we going to.
3. Review the entire procurment process what is the sop, bidder requirements,
what other benefits we are looking at - commercial tot? Military tot? Education development? Business, trades? And so on.
feasibility study is seem to be lacking of here. Av-8 is the best example here.

Any guesses on which shipyard will build the ships??

I guess cmn's vigilante or smth from byo marine

It is scaneagle type of uav anyway.
I dun think it is overkill it help to increase the range of patrol and provide sufficient fire power.
I think these batch of patrolship are meant for hot area like esszone.

Still too early to said that until we look at the actual design.
s-100 you need hangar and landing platforms

Adding new boats in phases should help. Obviously right now we can't replace on 1:1 basis, but introducing new boats and retiring old boats at a lower rate should help keep a sufficient number without losing too many boats, for example for every 2 boats introduced, APMM should retire 1 old boat. This should be reasonable.

Having too large a number of boats can be a drag on APMM because of increased servicing/upkeep time and cost, especially the older boats.

Biggest problem here is the possible overlapping of jurisdiction with Marine Police. Is this still a major problem?

3-4 units per year that too slow to replace.
Should follow the current 7 ship per years would be nice.
I do think mmea need a 6 units large ship that can operate can high sea state.