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waja2000
post Oct 10 2014, 10:44 AM

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Other good highspeed patrol boat can be consider is from Ares shipyard Turkey,cost also cheaper abit, our mindef close relationship turkey more easy to deal. maybe event consider TOT to local built. hull can select fiber frp or aluminium. all using waterjet engine.

www.ares.com.tr

Ares 150 SOF - HERCULES 2xx tons, speed around 40-knot (cost around 2xmillion)

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Ares 150 light corvette

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Ares 140 Hercurles (coast guard version)

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Ares 140 FAMB (navy version)

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Ares 125 Hercurles (coast guard version)best for APMM,1x 35mm main gun, 2x20/25mm gun, 2x12.7mm gun, 160 tons, 47 knot, 1800nm range, 1 week on sea, Price aound usd 1x million

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Ares 125 FAMB (Navy version)

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Ares 110 Hercurles (coast guard version)good for APMM too,116 tons, 45 knot, 1000nm range, 1 week at sea.

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Ares 110 FAMB (Navy version)

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post Oct 10 2014, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(die_257 @ Oct 10 2014, 12:48 PM)
weird, i think i just saw an typhoon pass by my house here in Langkawi near the airport. had a triangular shape wing as typhoon does
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6 unit Typhoon come here for exercise .... i think 5 power military exercise
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post Oct 10 2014, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Oct 10 2014, 12:18 PM)
Menarik tertarik betui la dgn product turkey ni......
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This year Qatar coast guard buy total 17 unit with price usd 220 million, 2x Ares 150, 10x Ares 110, 5x Ares 53. all coast guard version. look like good price. 17 unit also look enough for as use at sabah.
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post Oct 10 2014, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 10 2014, 01:10 PM)
still think my apmm carrier task force moar strong  rclxms.gif
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serious a bit loh ...
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post Oct 10 2014, 06:03 PM

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APMM got 3xx million with 7 new ship
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post Oct 10 2014, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 10 2014, 04:56 PM)
Bajet 2015 now biggrin.gif

660m for esscom/esszone
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also sea base 230milion ....
2 batallian for sabah
Airport runway extension
Hawk base in Butterworth move to Labuan AB

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post Oct 10 2014, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 10 2014, 07:07 PM)
APMM under JPM la bro, not MINDEF. So they don't touch the 17.7 bil allocation. Also they already got RM393 mil funds to buy 7 new boats & 'meningkatkan kecekapan operasi', whatever that means. biggrin.gif
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Not mention small or big boat or ribs.
Anyway 393mil = usd 130mil, means usd 18mil each, can buy very good petrol boat like Ares patrol boat.
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post Oct 10 2014, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 10 2014, 07:24 PM)
17mil usd for 1 ship, 17 mil can buy what  blink.gif
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17 mil can buy very good patrol boat like ares 125 or 110.
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post Oct 10 2014, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 10 2014, 10:14 PM)
There is a bigger version of cb90s aka cb2010.
50tonnage and 24.1 meter lengths.
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CB2010 already cancel .... anyway Cb90/Cb2010 not design for long hour patrol job ...

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The CB2010 concepts are those designed by the FMV, the Swedish procurement agency, and though they did put out a RFP to build a prototype cancelled it due to funding shortfalls. Dockstavaret

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post Oct 10 2014, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 10 2014, 11:39 PM)
labuan shipyard convenient location plus enough skills  biggrin.gif
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if u see before in V12, there have reason why can't use Labuan Shipyard,
second no sure they have Aluminium boat "know-how". unless they propose design using heavy traditional steel.

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post Oct 10 2014, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 10 2014, 10:56 PM)
Acquisition budget for APMM new patrol vessels should be enough, good patrol vessels should still be within the budget involved. Better still if can gov can encourage local shipbuilders to design our own design for small, simple naval ships such as FAC or medium-sized Patrol vessels.

No fancy-nancy revolutionary tech stuff like stealth features, catamarans hulls or those other nonsense. A dependable, seaworthy 20-30 meter long patrol vessel with decent electronic gear and good speed & endurance is sufficient enough for APMM coastal patrol use. Patrol vessels like this can even be adapted from civilian designs with no major problems since they don't really need mil-spec technology or specifications. Probably don't even need big shipyards like Boustead, a shipyard with good experience building small civilian ships probably would already have enough expertise for this type of design.
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if ask local propose, they maybe will ask gov to provide RnD budget..... event $$$ for prototype boat (or first ship). is any local shipyard willing to built a prototype ship (few million cost) , is mindef trust company won the contract can built a "usefull" patrol boat.
Patrol boat can use up to 200+ day in sea in year, structure reliability is more important than civilian boat.

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post Oct 11 2014, 12:09 AM

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I capture Lahat Datu Airport, current runway is 1.4km, if want extend run way to 2.5km , alot land and home need to take over from owner.
i think better find new place for New airport, current airport land can be re-develop, it close to main road anyway.

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post Oct 11 2014, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 10 2014, 09:00 PM)
if follow financial report

http://www.treasury.gov.my/data/le/jp6_5.pdf

DE for 2013 is RM3.3 billion after "revised estimate" (RM2.4b is announcement) , for 2015 is RM 4.5 billion (budget estimated) next after "semakan" may reach RM 5.0 billion

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post Oct 11 2014, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 11 2014, 08:20 AM)
DCNS to unveil new conventional submarine with aip at euronaval, 4700 tons, 3 months endurance  blink.gif , if we buy can go patrol shanghai sea  biggrin.gif

25000 km range, can reach anywhere on earth, based on barracuda nuclear sub hull.

"The SMX OCEAN concept is fitted with an impressive load of up to 34 weapons for action in the four domains: anti-air, anti-surface, anti-submarine & action against land targets."

"The SMX OCEAN SSK is fitted with one large modular VLS tube that may launch up to six MdCN vertically (much like the Virginia payload module developed by GDEB for the US Navy’s Virginia class of SSN). The submarine may also deploy F21 heavy torpedoes, SM39 Block 2 anti-ship missiles and a submarine launched version of the Mica missile (A3SM Underwater Vehicle Version) for self protection against air threats."

"The focus of DCNS engineers in developing this concept was put on endurance and high sustained speed. We learned that the 4,700 tons SSK was designed for an endurance of 14,000 nautical miles (3 months autonomy) and a continuous transit speed of 14 knots for 1 week thanks to its Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) system fitted with two fuel cells. The original nuclear propulsion system of the Barracuda design was also replaced with six diesel engines and three sets of Li Ion batteries."

Seems like this badass sub is only gonna be affordable to countries with big defence budget

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cost easily euro 1 billion each. almost bigger traditional submarine. for us if got rich after 2020 maybe can consider.

also i think small DCNS SMX-26 Littoral Seabed Landing Submarine may suite to as for now, it may help as on sabah to against with sulu or rescue mission, illegal activity in sabah and Riaus island . also suitable use in Spratly Islands.

Spec, 1000 tons, 4000nm range, 40mx18m meter, depth: 150m



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post Oct 11 2014, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 11 2014, 04:49 PM)
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Difference between VLS launchers of Type 052C (left) and Type 052D (right).

Instead of using the Type 052C's 'hot-launch' system (where a missile's rocket is ignited inside a launch tube) with an exhaust vent located at the center of each missile cluster (can be seen in the pictures above), the Type 052D is using a new, more modular system in which each individual missile container has its own exhaust vent, as used by modern western VLS systems. This reduces the stresses and potential damage due to the shock and heat of 'hot-launch'systems can do to a ship's superstructure.

This system also enables some missiles to use a 'cold-launch' system, where the missile is ejected out of the container by a canister of propellant gas before the rocket system of the missiles is ignited. This system allow some types of missiles, such as those with sensitive guidance systems that cannot endure a 'hot-launch' method to be carried and launched safely by the Type 052D DDG's. Each of these ships have space to house 64 canisters in any combination that is needed for the mission (smaller SAM missiles can be packed into two or four sub-canisters into a single canister space, while larger missiles such as cruise missiles or anti-ship missiles usually occupy the entire canister).

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The various combination of missiles that can be loaded onto a VLS system
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052C vls also can "cold-launch". only bcos this type of vls can't fit in multiple type missile so have to replace to new VLS.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjM1ODA2ODcy.html 1:25s cold-launch
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post Oct 11 2014, 10:21 PM

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chinese 12000 tons coast guard ship in construction, should be can launch in 3/4 month time. module in middle of deck not yet install.

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2 unit 12000 tons coast guard ship in construction at JN shipyard .....

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post Oct 12 2014, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 12 2014, 12:38 PM)
anybody know if boustead naval shipyard is right next to rmn lumut base?? or is it somewhere else in the lumut area bcos google maps doesnt seem to show the rmn base
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so easy to see from google map. so may navy ship. see also know.

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post Oct 12 2014, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 12 2014, 07:39 PM)
Hahaha just 2 days since PM announced, I don't think they even have a working plan yet.
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just announce only lah, plan no so fast.... at lease 6 month to come out plan. not only jet but also logistic and pilot/ maintanance crew, family also need to think. also if they also have property in Butterworth may decide not go to Labuan
now issue is Butterworth AFB have Hawk 108/208 unit 6+13 total 19. if move all easy, but if move any hawk 108 or 208 will give maintenance issue.

my only think now if Hawk 208 move to labuan, Butterworth AFB less at lease 13 unit unit to patrol, it may impact to daily patrol, means need to used more frequent on F18? or other means Gov "signal" to buy new F-18 up to 24 unit, 6 unit give to Butterworth AFB other in Kuantan AFB... haha just speculation....

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post Oct 12 2014, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(kinabalu @ Oct 12 2014, 07:56 PM)
wow so many ships in base.

I tot most of the ships if not half wont be in the base at any one time due to away for patrol or sumthing?

coz mcm perfect scenario for Pear harbor attack msia edisi.
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u see small small ship in base, all mostly old-old 40+ year FAC and gun boat, operation level is look low, reliability also in question, also this type boat can't long time patrol at sea. so mostly can see in base。 blush.gif
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 12 2014, 09:36 PM)
Do our lekius/kasturis patrol scs or do they just go up and down selat melaka, wait is kasturi even base in lumut

Oh ya and anybody know where our kedah class are based?? Always see them everywhere like off terrenganu looking for mh370 and enforcing naval blockade in sulu sea
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Kedah class base so far know is Lumut, kuantan, Sepanggar navy base

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