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TSFightFire
post Aug 19 2014, 01:38 PM, updated 12y ago

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Hey guys

I have been taking ON gold whey protein for the past few months, and it doesnt really bulk me up
my current weight is 66-68 kg (Before was 64kg-66kg) , height 178 cm
currently im thinking to switch to dymatize super mass or elite mass protein.
Which would be a better choice for me or any other brand?
Usually i will take this protein after workout.
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QUOTE(FightFire @ Aug 19 2014, 01:38 PM)
Hey guys

I have been taking ON gold whey protein for the past few months, and it doesnt really bulk me up
my current weight is 66-68 kg (Before was 64kg-66kg) , height 178 cm
currently im thinking to switch to dymatize super mass or elite mass protein.
Which would be a better choice for me or any other brand?
Usually i will take this protein after workout.
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Eat at calorie surplus to bulk up. Not which supplement to take.
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post Aug 19 2014, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(FightFire @ Aug 19 2014, 01:38 PM)
Hey guys

I have been taking ON gold whey protein for the past few months, and it doesnt really bulk me up
my current weight is 66-68 kg (Before was 64kg-66kg) , height 178 cm
currently im thinking to switch to dymatize super mass or elite mass protein.
Which would be a better choice for me or any other brand?
Usually i will take this protein after workout.
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You can switch to any brands of mass gainers or weight gainers and you'll still won't get any weight gain unless you understand what makes you gain weight in the first place.
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post Aug 19 2014, 02:33 PM

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yeah, i'm taking on whey gold standard and eat as much food as i can, gained 6 kg for the last 3 month (muscle not fat)

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post Aug 19 2014, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(samsgelvea @ Aug 19 2014, 02:33 PM)
yeah, i'm taking on whey gold standard  and eat as much food as i can, gained 6 kg for the last 3 month (muscle not fat)
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how do u know its muscle not fat?
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post Aug 19 2014, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(shrimp.kebab @ Aug 19 2014, 03:25 PM)
how do u know its muscle not fat?
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i'm not saying i'm not gaining fat at all but at least my chest, abdomen and thigh are bigger and I'm not gaining any belly fat, I just assume so sweat.gif
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post Aug 19 2014, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(samsgelvea @ Aug 19 2014, 04:04 PM)
i'm not saying i'm not gaining fat at all but at least my chest, abdomen and thigh are bigger and I'm not gaining any belly fat, I just assume so  sweat.gif
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Really clap for you wei rclxms.gif. 6KG muscle in 3 months, all based on "not gaining any belly fat" conclusion.

Please go read about TDEE, calorie sulprus, and deficit, bulking, cutting and LEARN BODYBUILDING BASICS!! and stop listening to your bros.

Seriously Malaysians and MASS GAINERS (mass bro mass). I so wanna slap the mass gainer out of you. Sad seeing my countrymen.

Education first bro, always educate yourself.

This post has been edited by Armesh: Aug 19 2014, 04:24 PM
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post Aug 19 2014, 04:25 PM

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^ok la whatever la rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 19 2014, 04:27 PM

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tall and muscular? u think its easy to be like The Rock? If you are shorter, you have higher chances
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post Aug 19 2014, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(Xander-G @ Aug 19 2014, 04:27 PM)
tall and muscular? u think its easy to be like The Rock? If you are shorter, you have higher chances
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2.5 - 3 years of consistent training with good diet and maintain at 12~13% bodyfat after that.
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post Aug 26 2014, 01:30 PM

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A quick way to measure body fat/muscle mass for each body compartment is by using those commercial health scale.. Just purposely go to a commercial gym (should have one) and say u wanna take up their trial. they will intro you to the gym and let you assess ur body composition and print out the report for u free.. after a month or so just try at another gym for benchmarking again.

@Armesh I once gained 9kg when beginner stage in 3 months, out of it ~6kg were muscles and was taking mass gainer. And i have fortnightly report to track the progress. its possible at early stages
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Aug 26 2014, 01:30 PM)
A quick way to measure body fat/muscle mass for each body compartment is by using those commercial health scale.. Just purposely go to a commercial gym (should have one) and say u wanna take up their trial. they will intro you to the gym and let you assess ur body composition and print out the report for u free.. after a month or so just try at another gym for benchmarking again.

@Armesh I once gained 9kg when beginner stage in 3 months, out of it ~6kg were muscles and was taking mass gainer. And i have fortnightly report to track the progress. its possible at early stages
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Pls learn proper facts. Pls don't spread broscience. Pls don't talk bullshit. Pls read research papers....

and most importantly, pls learn the proper way to track your progress.

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post Aug 26 2014, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Aug 26 2014, 01:30 PM)
A quick way to measure body fat/muscle mass for each body compartment is by using those commercial health scale.. Just purposely go to a commercial gym (should have one) and say u wanna take up their trial. they will intro you to the gym and let you assess ur body composition and print out the report for u free.. after a month or so just try at another gym for benchmarking again.

@Armesh I once gained 9kg when beginner stage in 3 months, out of it ~6kg were muscles and was taking mass gainer. And i have fortnightly report to track the progress. its possible at early stages
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No, no and no. Just no. Research more please. EVerything you have said is just plain wrong. And i mean it in a polite way. And no, I don't trust body composition machines at commercial fitness centers.
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post Aug 28 2014, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(Armesh @ Aug 26 2014, 05:45 PM)


Pls learn proper facts. Pls don't spread broscience. Pls don't talk bullshit. Pls read research papers....

and most importantly, pls learn the proper way to track your progress.
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Says the one who took some broscience from youtube who has made tons of assumptions that is based on bell curve. Dude almost everything on this earth runs on bell curve we know that. What that dude mentioned is a ball park based on 50th percentile, nothing amusing.

Save yourself lol dont even teach me how I track my progress.

If you have nothing good to say to TS just stfu and let him rot, instead adding up another useless post count.




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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Aug 26 2014, 01:30 PM)
A quick way to measure body fat/muscle mass for each body compartment is by using those commercial health scale.. Just purposely go to a commercial gym (should have one) and say u wanna take up their trial. they will intro you to the gym and let you assess ur body composition and print out the report for u free.. after a month or so just try at another gym for benchmarking again.

@Armesh I once gained 9kg when beginner stage in 3 months, out of it ~6kg were muscles and was taking mass gainer. And i have fortnightly report to track the progress. its possible at early stages
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http://exrx.net/Questions/MuscleMass.html

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Monitor your progress objectively. Find someone who can take your body composition (7 site skinfold measurements) every month or two, ideally someone who is very experienced with this procedure. Make sure they take at least 2 if not 3 skinfold measurement from each site (see techniques). Take an accurate body weight at the same time of day, each time you test, so you may more accurately calculate and compare lean weight and fat weight along with your body composition over time. On this same day, you may also want the tester to take circumference measurements of various body parts (eg.: chest, waist, arm, thigh calf, etc.). If you are not making lean body weight increases or gaining too much body fat, trouble shoot your program and make the appropriate changes to your program right away. Continue with these changes until your next body comp test.


I think this method is way accurate than health scale in the gyms. Dont flame me bro. Correct me if im wrong. Im new to BB.

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post Aug 28 2014, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Aug 28 2014, 12:26 AM)
Says the one who took some broscience from youtube who has made tons of assumptions that is based on bell curve. Dude almost everything on this earth runs on bell curve we know that. What that dude mentioned is a ball park based on 50th percentile, nothing amusing.

Save yourself lol dont even teach me how I track my progress.

If you have nothing good to say to TS just stfu and let him rot, instead adding up another useless post count.
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i don't think you understand the usage of bell curves. anyway, 6kg of muscle is not realistic in 3 months, a human body cannot gain that much unless you're on gear (including proper diet, workout routine, etc...). even if you're natural with proper diet and routine, it's biologically impossible.


and by the way you said that. mass gainers helped you (from your reply) , you clearly lack the knowledge of basic nutrition
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post Aug 29 2014, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(kshen @ Aug 28 2014, 04:34 PM)
i don't think you understand the usage of bell curves.  anyway,  6kg of muscle is not realistic in 3 months, a human body cannot gain that much unless you're on gear (including proper diet, workout routine, etc...). even if you're natural with proper diet and routine,  it's biologically impossible. 
and by the way you said that. mass gainers helped you (from your reply) , you clearly lack the knowledge of basic nutrition
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For the record I aced my Further maths on statistics once, so dont start. Lean gains gets exponentially harder this we all know. Heck if we can get 2kg/month now we all be happy. The human body gains naturally an average of 2lb muscle a month with average to good routine nutrition etc. However, please take the effort to READ properly that when I was on my newbie stage of working out and bulking, I estimated 12lb lean gains out of ~19lb in 3 months. Doing full body compound movements that I have never done before indeed shock my body to accelerated growth. These times its easier to attain progressive overload, correct? 4lb is not uncommon for newb biology, perhaps you can put a blame on my genetics? Probably you will argue what was my methodology for tracking this 4? I honestly admit that I solely based on commercial gym scales reports; two piece of report for consistency each measurement, once a week. I did not measure using tapes. I have a mirror and cam to track myself too? I dont need to prove myself btw

Apart from this, information overload is bad. We see many fitness articles here and there contradicting one another. If it works for me but not you then sucks to be you. Most importantly I keep them simple and do whats works BEST for me.



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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Aug 29 2014, 02:28 AM)
For the record I aced my Further maths on statistics once, so dont start. Lean gains gets exponentially harder this we all know. Heck if we can get 2kg/month now we all be happy. The human body gains naturally an average of 2lb muscle a month with average to good routine nutrition etc. However, please take the effort to READ properly that when I was on my newbie stage of working out and bulking, I estimated 12lb lean gains out of ~19lb in 3 months. Doing full body compound movements that I have never done before indeed shock my body to accelerated growth. These times its easier to attain progressive overload, correct? 4lb is not uncommon for newb biology, perhaps you can put a blame on my genetics? Probably you will argue what was my methodology for tracking this 4? I honestly admit that I solely based on commercial gym scales reports; two piece of report for consistency each measurement, once a week. I did not measure using tapes. I have a mirror and cam to track myself too? I dont need to prove myself btw

Apart from this, information overload is bad. We see many fitness articles here and there contradicting one another. If it works for me but not you then sucks to be you. Most importantly I keep them simple and do whats works BEST for me.
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Why mass gainer?
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post Aug 29 2014, 09:12 AM

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Normally those who have no problem gaining weight from eating everyday food will not understand how difficult it to be a skinny ectomorph who just can't cramp enough food into their small stomachs.

There's always a place for Weight Gainers/Mass Gainers in the life of an Skinny underweight person. They need all the help they can get in addition to their regular food. It provides high calories at inconvenient time and place and also won't overload their stomach too much.

After all they are just food supplements , not replacements. So why shoot them down for taking Mass Gainers.

While at it, why not tell all body builders as well to stop taking Whey Protein and get all their nutrition from regular food.

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QUOTE(Ngto @ Aug 29 2014, 09:12 AM)
Normally those who have no problem gaining weight from eating everyday food will not understand how difficult it to be a skinny ectomorph who just can't cramp enough food into their small stomachs.

There's always a place for Weight Gainers/Mass Gainers in the life of an Skinny underweight person. They need all the help they can get in addition to their regular food. It provides high calories at inconvenient time and place.
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I'm an skinny small boned ecto who's been 55KG for since 14 and never seem to gain weigth. All i did was count calorie, eat 300 cal sulrprus... now after 4 months i'm 62 KG. All just basic maths.

About stuffing food, i just add some olive oil to my food. Whey protein is normally used due to it's fast digesting properties and it's highest quality protein.

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