QUOTE(kshen @ Aug 30 2014, 12:16 AM)
Here's what you've said before
We understood that it's probably "newbie gains" , however the second bold-ed phrase, that's just inaccurate tracking based on how you measure ur progress (body measurement machine thingy). how sure are you that the machine is accurate ? It may be calibrated wrongly ? Perhaps the pictures and stuff would work. So by stating what you've said along with the "out of it ~6kg were muscles and was taking mass gainer" may mislead newbies in thinking that as long as they consume mass gainers, they'll gain that easily ?
When calorie calculating (maintenance calories, calories needed for bulking/cutting etc..) is the main important factor one should know as their fundamental basics , ever thought of that? Perhaps it's not the mass gainers but the amount of calories you eat after all. I've been gaining progress ever since, all i did was read the stickies, calculate my calories, stay consistent and repeat. And without mass gainers

So to conclude this argument, if you have the extra money to spend on sugar shakes, then why not, afterall it's your money, your decision, your body, your goals.

For an early 20's male teen ~1.7-1.8m 60-70kg with somewhat active lifestyle who has not worked out before, their daily energy expenditure average to about 2.6-2.8kcal. To bulk yes he needs to top maybe 400 cal above that daily. I have used mass gainer as a food
supplement to aid me achieve my desired goal. You need to understand job nature/laziness and other factors may inhibit people from making proper food constantly. I know i can make a 1kcal mass shake by adding maybe peanut butter, milk, sugar and some whey. And yes perhaps I mislead by saying consuming mass gainer = muscle gain but clearly my after post did not implied that already. But sorry I do still insist on my ~6kg figure, and you can blame the machine is broken or whatever.
Going offtopic, yes the perception of consuming mass gainer is very strong amongst malaysians or perhaps east asians as we are borned frail in size. So the word 'mass' is somehow captivating for new smaller size gym-goers rather than first learning the basics of bulking, proper muscle growth, cutting blablabla. If they mistake mass gainer=muscle then its their fault. It wont take long before their belly comes out. But simply trashing 100% population who take mass gainers are the real losers who does not understand the basics itself. Alright my argument is concluded.