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post Sep 11 2006, 11:16 AM

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post Sep 11 2006, 11:29 AM

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anyways, that was lame. I still can't believe that the steward punishes Alonso for that. C'mon, I see cars that are closer than that but are not punished. Even if Schummi wins the WC this year, it's hollow. WTF were they thinking? This sports has enough conterversional decisions now, and this does not look good for the FIA's image.

and for those who still feels that Alonso is guilty, look at the qualifying fact again.
1. The laptime is around 1.22. He went out of the pit with around. 1.26 remaining.
2. He need to cross the line before the clock reaches 0.
3. he needs about 2 second to speed up and get the heat back into his tyre, which leave him around about 1.24
4. He crosses the line with about 2 seconds to spare.

Thus I doubt in no way he can impede Massa's lap. I mean he has to push the car to get within that time. Any logical thinking man can see that. this is crap. I won't watch any of the remaining races after this.

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 11 2006, 11:29 AM)
anyways, that was lame. I still can't believe that the steward punishes Alonso for that. C'mon, I see cars that are closer than that but are not punished. Even if Schummi wins the WC this year, it's hollow. WTF were they thinking? This sports has enough conterversional decisions now, and this does not look good for the FIA's image.

and for those who still feels that Alonso is guilty, look at the qualifying fact again.
1. The laptime is around 1.22. He went out of the pit with around. 1.26 remaining.
2. He need to cross the line before the clock reaches 0.
3. he needs about 2 second to speed up and get the heat back into his tyre, which leave him around about 1.24
4. He crosses the line with about 2 seconds to spare.

Thus I doubt in no way he can impede Massa's lap. I mean he has to push the car to get within that time. Any logical thinking man can see that. this is crap. I won't watch any of the remaining races after this.
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yeah i agree
it was a ridiculous decision
i watched qualy and i didn't get the impression that massa was being blocked
this type of decisions bring the sport into disrepute and it's not one that the sport needs right now
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 11 2006, 11:29 AM)
anyways, that was lame. I still can't believe that the steward punishes Alonso for that. C'mon, I see cars that are closer than that but are not punished. Even if Schummi wins the WC this year, it's hollow. WTF were they thinking? This sports has enough conterversional decisions now, and this does not look good for the FIA's image.

and for those who still feels that Alonso is guilty, look at the qualifying fact again.
1. The laptime is around 1.22. He went out of the pit with around. 1.26 remaining.
2. He need to cross the line before the clock reaches 0.
3. he needs about 2 second to speed up and get the heat back into his tyre, which leave him around about 1.24
4. He crosses the line with about 2 seconds to spare.

Thus I doubt in no way he can impede Massa's lap. I mean he has to push the car to get within that time. Any logical thinking man can see that. this is crap. I won't watch any of the remaining races after this.
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I read somewhere saying Alonso hv to let Massa pass by eventhough by doing that means you cant make a fast lap.. rules is rules
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post Sep 11 2006, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Sep 11 2006, 11:29 AM)
anyways, that was lame. I still can't believe that the steward punishes Alonso for that. C'mon, I see cars that are closer than that but are not punished. Even if Schummi wins the WC this year, it's hollow. WTF were they thinking? This sports has enough conterversional decisions now, and this does not look good for the FIA's image.

and for those who still feels that Alonso is guilty, look at the qualifying fact again.
1. The laptime is around 1.22. He went out of the pit with around. 1.26 remaining.
2. He need to cross the line before the clock reaches 0.
3. he needs about 2 second to speed up and get the heat back into his tyre, which leave him around about 1.24
4. He crosses the line with about 2 seconds to spare.

Thus I doubt in no way he can impede Massa's lap. I mean he has to push the car to get within that time. Any logical thinking man can see that. this is crap. I won't watch any of the remaining races after this.
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You know, it all earnesty , I agree, Alonso was reprimanded for no reason at all. I dunno well, this is speculation on my part, Ron Dennis may ask Kimi to indirectly help Alonso to his 2nd driver's championship, however, I dunno how feasible this will be as Ferrari next year is Kimi's employer.
Alonso is a from a tough pedigree, he will win his 2nd WDC for sure, he may need some help from his team mate, Giancarlo though and hopefully from a resurgent Mclaren :-p

I seriously cant wait for next year!! thumbup.gif

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I think steward made a correct dicision.. he come out late so what? who make him come out so late? blame who? blame FIA? Blame Massa?

the fact is Massa is in his lap and he is just in his flying lap.. he is in front of Massa while Massa doing his lap time...

If that is dangerous to risk him out.. so.. don't come out.. stay in the pit .. stay in P10..
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wat a lost for mclaren mercedes... kimi going ferrari...
i not so like alonso... but he going to bcome mclaren driver, i have to like he
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Luck also plays in the game
consider a bad luck for massa, thats all

f1 these days getting boring with fia decissions n crappy format changes, no? =__=
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QUOTE(weiheng @ Sep 11 2006, 12:29 PM)
I read somewhere saying Alonso hv to let Massa pass by eventhough by doing that means you cant make a fast lap.. rules is rules
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no there's no rule saying that. only that u can't block a driver on his flying lap. alonso was always a good distance ahead of him and was in no position to block him at all. massa went slower cause he got distracted. but isn't that why this qualifying format was introduced rather than the 1 at a time style. in the previous qualy format similar to the one we have now, drivers were getting compromised lap times all the time and no one was penalised

QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 11 2006, 12:38 PM)
I think steward made a correct dicision..  he come out late so what?  who make him come out so late?  blame who? blame FIA?  Blame Massa? 

the fact is Massa is in his lap and he is just in his flying lap.. he is in front of Massa while Massa doing his lap time... 

If that is dangerous to risk him out.. so.. don't come out.. stay in the pit .. stay in P10..
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it's statements like this that convinces me that there are alot of morons here. alonso had every right to come out when he did to try to improve his lap time. that's the whole idea of the current qualy system. the position massa was in made no difference cause alonso was driving fast enough.

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I watched the qualifying session too. Im very much sure that alonso's far enough to leave enough room for massa, well at least thats what the camera shows. But during that moment, i got this feeling that ferrari's gonna whine at FIA to get alonso some sort of penalty, and hey, my guess is 100% correct. Conclusion? Ferrari and FIA stewards slept in the same bed laugh.gif

Btw, verx, those are clearly not a moron, just a very obvious anti-alonso/ferrari zealot laugh.gif Anyway, like wat linkin said, the result of this year's WDC is pretty much SCRIPTED, with all the controversy kicking in during these decisive moments rclxms.gif
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no there's no rule saying that. only that u can't block a driver on his flying lap. alonso was always a good distance ahead of him and was in no position to block him at all. massa went slower cause he got distracted. but isn't that why this qualifying format was introduced rather than the 1 at a time style. in the previous qualy format similar to the one we have now, drivers were getting compromised lap times all the time and no one was penalised


if i'm not mistaken there is a case involve JV n Fisi right?
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there's no point arguing on the stewards decision that alonso was blocking - no way the fia gonna back down now decision already made and race is over. anyway alonso dnf - though he might not have to push the engine so hard if he wasn't relegated to 10th

kimi to ferrari is mclaren lost becos if they have persuaded him to stay on - kimi & alonso would make mclaren unbeatable next yr (if the car perform)..... but then like the chinese saying "one mountain cannot hide 2 tiger".


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QUOTE(long3016 @ Sep 11 2006, 12:51 PM)
wat a lost for mclaren mercedes... kimi going ferrari...
i not so like alonso... but he going to bcome mclaren driver, i have to like he
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That makes two of us.
Want to make a poll?
To see how many McLaren fans support Alonso? tongue.gif

QUOTE(verx @ Sep 11 2006, 01:27 PM)
no there's no rule saying that. only that u can't block a driver on his flying lap. alonso was always a good distance ahead of him and was in no position to block him at all. massa went slower cause he got distracted. but isn't that why this qualifying format was introduced rather than the 1 at a time style. in the previous qualy format similar to the one we have now, drivers were getting compromised lap times all the time and no one was penalised
it's statements like this that convinces me that there are alot of morons here. alonso had every right to come out when he did to try to improve his lap time. that's the whole idea of the current qualy system. the position massa was in made no difference cause alonso was driving fast enough.
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what's with the name calling smile.gif

QUOTE(sleepy @ Sep 11 2006, 01:54 PM)
I watched the qualifying session too. Im very much sure that alonso's far enough to leave enough room for massa, well at least thats what the camera shows. But during that moment, i got this feeling that ferrari's gonna whine at FIA to get alonso some sort of penalty, and hey, my guess is 100% correct. Conclusion? Ferrari and FIA stewards slept in the same bed laugh.gif

Btw, verx, those are clearly not a moron, just a very obvious anti-alonso/ferrari zealot laugh.gif Anyway, like wat linkin said, the result of this year's WDC is pretty much SCRIPTED, with all the controversy kicking in during these decisive moments rclxms.gif
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laugh.gif rclxms.gif

QUOTE(kitman @ Sep 11 2006, 02:19 PM)
there's no point arguing on the stewards decision that alonso was blocking - no way the fia gonna back down now decision already made and race is over. anyway alonso dnf - though he might not have to push the engine so hard if he wasn't relegated to 10th

kimi to ferrari is mclaren lost becos if they have persuaded him to stay on - kimi & alonso would make mclaren unbeatable next yr (if the car perform)..... but then like the chinese saying "one mountain cannot hide 2 tiger".
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Kimi is the better tiger.
Siberian tiger...cool and white laugh.gif

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Renault Boss saying that is dengerous to let him out.. so what.. whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 11 2006, 11:16 AM)
Raikkonen.. time to change Siggy n avatar..  laugh.gif laugh.gif
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waiting for the first appearance of Kimi in red.
mark my words...Kimi's the world champion of 2007 thumbup.gif rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 11 2006, 02:40 PM)
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waiting for the first appearance of Kimi in red.
mark my words...Kimi's the world champion of 2007  thumbup.gif  rclxms.gif
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supporting u Kimi Raikkonen.. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif flex.gif flex.gif
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Even Kimi Raikkonen agree with me tongue.gif

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Raikkonen targets '07 title with Ferrari

Sunday, September 10th 2006, 14:43 GMT


McLaren driver Kimi Raikkonen says he will target the title when he joins the Ferrari team next season.

Raikkonen was confirmed as a Ferrari driver today, after months of speculation. He has signed a deal until the end of the 2009 season.

The Finn, who is yet to stand on the top step of the podium this year, says his goal for next year is to win the title.

"I expected it to happen already, but you never know what will happen and hopefully we can do it next year," said Raikkonen after finishing in the second place at the Italian Grand Prix.

"We need to work as hard as we can and I have full confidence that the team will give me a very good car. I am happy to join the team with the history and all the great things. I want to finish this year as best as I can and see what happens next year."

Raikkonen has been at McLaren since the 2002 season, and he has finished runner-up in the championship twice, in 2003 and 2005.

The Finn believes it was the right moment to move to Ferrari.

"I guess there are many reasons but I have been five years in McLaren, they are a great team and nice people but in the end I wanted something else," he added. "There were only two choices, to stay at McLaren or choose Ferrari.

"I wanted to go there one day, this was the best moment, and there will be people I miss at McLaren but that is the way it goes."

Although Raikkonen will have big shoes to fill in as Schumacher's replacement, the Finn has shrugged off the comparison.

"Not really. It is a nice place to go and the team will expect a lot and the fans too, but I also expect a lot from the fans.

"It is different. I came to McLaren when Mika (Hakkinen) was world champion twice and it was not easy, but I will go there, do my best and hopefully it will be enough for everybody."
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See...his goal is the world title.
Any F1 drivers wants that world title.
Since McLaren cannot gave him that...Ferrari will.

I wonder what were Michael saying to Kimi...sweet snapshot.

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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 11 2006, 02:52 PM)
Even Kimi Raikkonen agree with me  tongue.gif 
See...his goal is the world title.
Any F1 drivers wants that world title.
Since McLaren cannot gave him that...Ferrari will.

I wonder what were Michael saying to Kimi...sweet snapshot.

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Micheal : " U are so sweet.. To night u are my.. " .. ..

Kimi : " oh yeah.. waiting u.. ".. ..

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 11 2006, 02:58 PM)
Micheal : " U are so sweet.. To night u are my.. " .. ..

Kimi : " oh yeah.. waiting u..  ".. .. 

laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  doh.gif doh.gif
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cut it out dude...ewww... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 11 2006, 01:27 PM)
it's statements like this that convinces me that there are alot of morons here. alonso had every right to come out when he did to try to improve his lap time. that's the whole idea of the current qualy system. the position massa was in made no difference cause alonso was driving fast enough.
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really agree...and i dont undersatnd why so many people flame alonso..he's one of the most consistent drivers in the paddock..if i'm not mistaken, only made 2 mistakes las year, and this year dnf only cos of car (except hungary...but is dat considered driver error?)..

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