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post Aug 21 2006, 11:36 PM, updated 20y ago

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What do you think? What is the norm nowadays?
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post Aug 21 2006, 11:37 PM

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ya salary will go up faster this way. If u remain in the same co, yer salary will be at snail space increasing at a 10% max per year if u r lucky.
So if u r a freshie earning 2k per month.....in 10 years time, your salary baru around 4-5k at the 10% rate.

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post Aug 21 2006, 11:54 PM

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how about 20% ?
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post Aug 21 2006, 11:57 PM

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20%??? IT consultancy arh? or sales?
but of coz the 10% does not apply to all companies la smile.gif
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post Aug 22 2006, 12:00 AM

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i used to enjoy ~20% yearly... but i'm tired of working....
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post Aug 22 2006, 12:03 AM

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It's not really just about the salary factor. I'm getting quite good increments (steady 25% - 30% per anum)

After a few years in the same line, you might feel the urge to step out and try some other newer frontiers. Stick to it, and your exposure on the IT industry might not grow that wide.

I'm giving myself another few months before switching my career. Well, I'll be up for grabs soon!
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post Aug 22 2006, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(Pucca @ Aug 22 2006, 12:00 AM)
i used to enjoy ~20% yearly... but i'm tired of working....
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If 20% and no stay back late everyday, consider very good leh smile.gif
Gua average 7% shj yearly, smart liao..mgr...1st year give low, second year give high, 3 year give low. (At least can hold 3 years)
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post Aug 22 2006, 12:08 AM

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shitzzz!! hahaha....i felt like i kena cheated...Bohohoohohh!!
so naive thinking tat 10% raise is max...rupa rupa the whole world is getting a 20-30 percent!!! hahahahha

Its not the salary factor....but its impt. Sometimes when u work so hard and salary like shit will make u feel even worse. Work like dog, but salary the lowest.

Then again, true...i just threw away a very good paying job for a huge paycut!, nearly haf my salary. Salary is not impt. Its wat u value most. True True True. Working for salary is only temp. I got tired too...of a high salary but no life job not to mention BORING..... rclxub.gif

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post Aug 22 2006, 12:09 AM

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timing is flex but normally 1 day 8hrs only... or less

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post Aug 22 2006, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Aug 21 2006, 11:08 PM)
shitzzz!! hahaha....i felt like i kena cheated...Bohohoohohh!!
so naive thinking tat 10% raise is max...rupa rupa the whole world is getting a 20-30 percent!!! hahahahha

Its not the salary factor....but its impt. Sometimes when u work so hard and salary like shit will make u feel even worse. Work like dog, but salary the lowest.

Then again, true...i just threw away a very good paying job for a huge paycut!, nearly haf my salary. Salary is not impt. Its wat u value most. True True True. Working for salary is only temp. I got tired too...of a high salary but no life job not to mention BORING..... rclxub.gif
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Nice, FroGGy. Now that I know Scope pays real handsomely, I might put it up on my list of potential targets... thanks for the tip!
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post Aug 22 2006, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(sunbeams @ Aug 22 2006, 12:17 AM)
Nice, FroGGy. Now that I know Scope pays real handsomely, I might put it up on my list of potential targets... thanks for the tip!
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Not scope ler smile.gif Scope is my client. I am its vendor.

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post Aug 22 2006, 12:20 AM

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it's not about salary, it's about what you can contribute to the company and the knowledge you get in return... i dun like what i'm doing because the management will always thorw something which other people don't want to do, to me. making me feel like dbkl but if i think another way, i always benefits from the experience and i'm the expert when doing knowledge transfer to my replacement as i will no longer doing daily task. Until then, i feel like i'm consultant hehehe...
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post Aug 22 2006, 12:27 AM

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ya manz..being the dbkl is the worst thing.....
and yeaps..gaining knowledge most impt in a job. Else everyone will be evolving except yourself....not growing and getting lazier by the sec!! yucks...totally hate tat.
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post Aug 22 2006, 12:32 AM

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As a consolation, being the DBKL gives you the chance to learn up a lot more. In the end, you stand to benefit.

I'm lucky to be in a company that has yet to establish a real 'organised' structure. As a result, I get to play the role or web programmer, business logic tier programmer, DBA (Oracle), system designer, and sometimes, the role of business consultant.

Sweet.

I heard from some ex-colleagues that in more established companies, if you are given the job as a web developer, that's exacly what you'll be doing every 9-6, Mon-Fri. Not many opportunities to explore other fields, but you get to be very good in that specific area.


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post Aug 22 2006, 12:34 AM

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After working in my current company for a year plus, today I just tender my resignation letter !

But in my opinion, changing jobs too frequent isn't that good. Your future employers might not be convinced to hire a person whom like to hop around too frequent.
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post Aug 22 2006, 01:55 AM

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I changed mine after 6months....few days before they hand me my confirmation letter. Now in Oil and gas.
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post Aug 22 2006, 08:27 AM

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I agree some company would gives higher increment to avoid employee being hired by other company and leak of company information. But not all post are that important, and not many company able to pay that much resulting still many company paying low increment.

As for me, I am looking for higher pay and better position always until it reach my requirement. My planning is to take a degree while working so I need a job that have pretty nice salary plus enough freedom for me smile.gif
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post Aug 22 2006, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(sunbeams @ Aug 22 2006, 12:32 AM)
I heard from some ex-colleagues that in more established companies, if you are given the job as a web developer, that's exacly what you'll be doing every 9-6, Mon-Fri. Not many opportunities to explore other fields, but you get to be very good in that specific area.
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This can be quite true.

I'm working as a consultant in a MNC which is a telco vendor. My job tasks are very much to the business side and haven't been able to touch much on unix shell scripts, oracle pl/sql and other technical thingy (which is the responsibility of technical guys in my company)

It can be good and bad. I've dropped my technical skills substantially, but at the same time I've gained more exposure (customer facing, problem solving, get chance to travel overseas for project and whatnot). Other than that working in established company gives me decent salary, good benefits and nice working environment.

I forsee myself changing to another company (probably telco operator) in another 2 years. But anything can happen...
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post Aug 22 2006, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(samurai1337 @ Aug 22 2006, 08:39 AM)
This can be quite true.

I'm working as a consultant in a MNC which is a telco vendor. My job tasks are very much to the business side and haven't been able to touch much on unix shell scripts, oracle pl/sql and other technical thingy (which is the responsibility of technical guys in my company)

It can be good and bad. I've dropped my technical skills substantially, but at the same time I've gained more exposure (customer facing, problem solving, get chance to travel overseas for project and whatnot). Other than that working in established company gives me decent salary, good benefits and nice working environment.

I forsee myself changing to another company (probably telco operator) in another 2 years. But anything can happen...
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post Aug 22 2006, 10:08 AM

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sometime it is not only salary, the thing you wanna learn is one of the factor that cause you to move on. Sometimes you hop to other company because of wanna learn new technology.
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post Aug 22 2006, 10:01 PM

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I have ask around and u know what. Majority of IT ppl in my company all previously 1 year then jump into the company I am working now. KENG
irene.kong
post Aug 22 2006, 10:11 PM

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what company woh?
Why keng?

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post Aug 22 2006, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(irene.kong @ Aug 22 2006, 10:11 PM)
what company woh?
Why keng?
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Because I think they hired fresh grad with after 1 year experience due to expansion. Keng is because... with 1 year experience, the level of tranfer knowlege are gone when those ppl finish their first year and mau cabut. So alot of losses in terms of experience and knowledge based.
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post Aug 24 2006, 01:02 AM

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Job Hop has been a trend in IT. Also there is many IT vacancy around, wonder why in the news they reported over 10k ppl studying IT still jobless. What the heck does this fresh graduate trying to think? too picky?

I just read from another job forum that there is one guy jump from 2.4k to 4.5k in just 4 years time. So, in IT if you dont jump, you will be underpaid. am i right?

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post Aug 24 2006, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(jobseekertalk @ Aug 24 2006, 01:02 AM)
Job Hop has been a trend in IT. Also there is many IT vacancy around, wonder why in the news they reported over 10k ppl studying IT still jobless. What the heck does this fresh graduate trying to think? too picky?

I just read from another job forum that there is one guy jump from 2.4k to 4.5k in just 4 years time. So, in IT if you dont jump, you will be underpaid. am i right?
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ya...i think so
i jumped once only....salary increase by 100%.
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post Aug 25 2006, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Aug 24 2006, 01:15 AM)
ya...i think so
i jumped once only....salary increase by 100%.
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100%? shocking.gif
Either your previous employer underpaid you or your new employer is just too rich

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post Aug 25 2006, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(samurai1337 @ Aug 25 2006, 08:01 AM)
100%?  shocking.gif
Either your previous employer underpaid you or your new employer is just too rich
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gain experience liaoz can demand for more mer smile.gif
depending on the skill u have, sure can.

My case...
the counter offers between the two companies loo.

 

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