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post Jul 14 2014, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Jul 14 2014, 01:20 PM)
I dunno why media prima still use sd. It looks freaking ugly in full hd led tv. Everything look so stretch and pixelated. Even the 8tv logo on the top left looks like a obese fat "8" logo.
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post Jul 14 2014, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(langatian @ Jul 13 2014, 02:14 PM)
you will only need outdoor antenna which consists of VHF and UHF reception also DVB-T2 decoder..

list of channels that I got using DVB-T2 decoder.. Location at Nilai, Negeri Sembilan.
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can you snap shot screen with signal strength bar ?
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post Jul 14 2014, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(nag @ Jul 14 2014, 03:48 PM)
can you snap shot screen with signal strength bar ?
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post Jul 14 2014, 03:58 PM

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where can get that 30 channels list ?
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post Aug 15 2014, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(nag @ Jul 14 2014, 01:12 PM)
Of course DVB-T2.

DVB-T2 capable for both but DVB-T can't go for T2 reception. Ideology same as microsoft word 2013 can open .docx & doc file but microsoft word 2000 can only open .doc extension but not .docx
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Actually, those are from the T1 trial signal transmitting from KL Tower since 2006. My LG TV which only has T1 tuner can also receive that.

But yes, in final phase signal will be T2. I suspect that they will shut off the T1 transmitters by then.

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post Aug 15 2014, 10:43 PM

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The Japanese ISDB-T technology does have its advantage over DVB-T.

Its transmission tower can serve as double transmittrer for both TV and mobile devices(cellphones).

Like in Japan, SD channels are delivered to handphones using 1-Seg of the 13 segsments whcih deliver full HD channels.

Japan has been persuading Thailand and many South American countries such as Ecuador to consider their technology.

Though DVB-T2 is more advanced, it's already entered 2nd gen.

Wait till Japan introduce the 2nd gen ISDB-T technology.

In fact DVB-T is more expensive because different transmitters are required to separate standard HDTV and mobile phone broadcasts.
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post Aug 15 2014, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(stren89 @ Aug 15 2014, 10:43 PM)
The Japanese ISDB-T technology does have its advantage over DVB-T.

Its transmission tower can serve as double transmittrer for both TV and mobile devices(cellphones).

Like in Japan, SD channels are delivered to handphones using 1-Seg of the 13 segsments whcih deliver full HD channels.

Japan has been persuading Thailand and many South American countries such as Ecuador to consider their technology.

Though DVB-T2 is more advanced, it's already entered 2nd gen.

Wait till Japan introduce the 2nd gen ISDB-T technology.

In fact DVB-T is more expensive because different transmitters are required to separate standard HDTV and mobile phone broadcasts.
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There is two flaws to ISDB from what I can see

Firstly, it means switching our workflow over to 60Hz. Malaysia historically uses 50Hz. ISDB is a 60Hz system. Cameras have to be changed (not a problem if the studio hasn't upgraded to HD yet, but if they have, it will be an expensive exercise to replace the 50Hz HD cam with 60Hz ones), and then lighting because using 60Hz camera with 50Hz lighting causes flicker. Converter equipment to play back older 50Hz PAL archived material will be needed at TV stations. Ultimately it will need TNB to change our country to 60Hz power just to eliminate flicker, which will cause issues with equipment hard wired for 50Hz like air conditioning, ice cream maker and even fridge.

Secondly, ISDB requires use of mandatory license cards (B-CAS card), which equals bringing back TV license. While I don't mind paying for license if it will increase the quality of the TV shows airing, I do mind the risk that the money will only get songlap.

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QUOTE(RAMChYLD @ Aug 15 2014, 10:57 PM)
There is two flaws to ISDB from what I can see

Firstly, it means switching our workflow over to 60Hz. Malaysia historically uses 50Hz. ISDB is a 60Hz system. Cameras have to be changed (not a problem if the studio hasn't upgraded to HD yet, but if they have, it will be an expensive exercise to replace the 50Hz HD cam with 60Hz ones), and then lighting because using 60Hz camera with 50Hz lighting causes flicker. Converter equipment to play back older 50Hz PAL archived material will be needed at TV stations. Ultimately it will need TNB to change our country to 60Hz power, which will cause issues with equipment hard wired for 50Hz like air conditioning, ice cream maker and even fridge.

Secondly, ISDB requires use of mandatory license cards (B-CAS card), which equals bringing back TV license. While I don't mind paying for license if it will increase the quality of the TV shows airing, I do mind the risk that the money will only get songlap.
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The Japanese ISDB-T system has a 1 stone kill 2 birds thing advantage by just using 1 unified transmitter.

While on paper DVB-T looks superior the implementation costs can easily double if you plan to reuse the same transmission for both mobile and home TV transmission. It already has 2nd gen specs out while ISDB-T is still in its 1st gen.

The westerners are good at cheating consumers to fork out more all the time.

Japan has a proven successful 1-Seg mobile TV market. It is already commercialized for many years.

Brazil improvised the tech by using more refined MPEG-4 compression tech.



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QUOTE(stren89 @ Aug 15 2014, 11:09 PM)
The Japanese ISDB-T system has a 1 stone kill 2 birds thing advantage by just using 1 unified transmitter.

While on paper DVB-T looks superior the implementation costs can easily double if you plan to reuse the same transmission for both mobile and home TV transmission. It already has 2nd gen specs out while ISDB-T is still in its 1st gen.

The westerners are good at cheating consumers to fork out more all the time.

Japan has a proven successful 1-Seg mobile TV market. It is already commercialized for many years.

Brazil improvised the tech by using more refined MPEG-4 compression tech.
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Yes, but my point is, for us to adopt ISDB will require lots of changes to the country's infrastructure, even seemingly unrelated ones like power (otherwise if ISDB camera record anywhere still using 50Hz, light will be flickering because camera frame rate which is 60Hz cannot sync up with our 50Hz lighting). Also, ISDB mandates use of license card like assteruk which I'm not very fond of. DVB has license card implementation, but so far it's been optional.

As for mobile, well, most of us prefer IPTV solution on mobile anyway, since our mobile broadband infra is actually quite good.

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QUOTE(RAMChYLD @ Aug 15 2014, 11:24 PM)
Yes, but my point is, for us to adopt ISDB will require lots of changes to the country's infrastructure, even seemingly unrelated ones like power (otherwise if ISDB camera record anywhere still using 50Hz, light will be flickering because camera frame rate which is 60Hz cannot sync up with our 50Hz lighting). Also, ISDB mandates use of license card like assteruk which I'm not very fond of. DVB has license card implementation, but so far it's been optional.

As for mobile, well, most of us prefer IPTV solution on mobile anyway, since our mobile broadband infra is actually quite good.
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I can still run my US imported Playstation on my TV and besides the whole upgrade requires many new equipment to be replaced including STBs, and flat screen HDTVs to properly view them.

Malaysian mobile infra is way overpriced. Our fixed line operator monopolizes the entire country's infra for themselves which is bad for OTT IPTV operators.
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QUOTE(stren89 @ Aug 15 2014, 11:58 PM)
I can still run my US imported Playstation on my TV and besides the whole upgrade requires many new equipment to be replaced including STBs, and flat screen HDTVs to properly view them.

Malaysian mobile infra is way overpriced. Our fixed line operator monopolizes the entire country's infra for themselves which is bad for OTT IPTV operators.
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That's not the point.

Take your PS3 Eye, set it to NTSC, point it are flourescent light. This is the flickering that will knock ISDB flat in Malaysia. The reason for the flickering is straightforward- the camera, to meet ISDB official spec, has to work at 60Hz. Our Malaysian lighting operates at 50Hz. The flickering is caused by the camera sampling rate not matching the light flicker rate(fact: flourescent lights are actually flickering 50 times a second). Sure, some cameras can compensate for that by adjusting their frame rate then use an internal DSP to pull it back to 60 Hz, but there will be sharpness tradeoff. Only other option is for the whole country to change to 60Hz, or adopt DC lighting like LED lighting, overnight.

Also, mandatory B-CAS means that license will be forced upon the rakyat. I don't like the idea of being forced to pay license unless the songlap stops and I know that my money will be put into bringing in quality programming. After the MACC revealed corruption and songlap in RTM recently, I am not holding my breath.

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Have 2 questions:

Will 2nd generation teletext (user interface with buttons, selections, menus and page no. / page layout similiar to a magazine or webpage with multimedia elements like text, graphics, pictures, sound, music and video) be launched or carried with either RTM or Puncak Semangat service coming from their television station like in countries like England etc.?

RTM needs to include more non malay programming in their channels to cater for all races. Content in Cantonese, Mandarin, Tamil, Hindi and especially English must be included if RTM wishers to boost its audience and viewership.

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post Aug 18 2014, 07:24 AM

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i-Mobile handphone come with DVB-T2 tuner in Thailand.

Click --> i-Mobile website. You may select English version of website on top right EN button click



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QUOTE(Wobblyblob @ Aug 17 2014, 10:54 PM)
Have 2 questions:

Will 2nd generation teletext (user interface with buttons, selections, menus and page no. / page layout similiar to a magazine or webpage with multimedia elements like text, graphics, pictures, sound, music and video) be launched or carried with either RTM or Puncak Semangat service coming from their television station like in countries like England etc.?
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They mention nothing about MHEG Digital Teletext. However they did mention that HBB and CatchUp TV will be a possibility eventuality, so not sure how they're going to go about it.

QUOTE(Wobblyblob @ Aug 17 2014, 10:54 PM)
RTM needs to include more non malay programming in their channels to cater for all races. Content in Cantonese, Mandarin, Tamil, Hindi and especially English must be included if RTM wishers to boost its audience and viewership.
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This I agree. But my big problem with them is they're dubbing English shows (especially cartoons) to Malay. That have to stop. You can dub Japanese to Malay, or Korean to Malay, but please leave English shows as-is. Either that or learn to use the NICAM system they already have to transmit bilingual.
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MyTV to offer services a year earlier than planned

Source: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...er-than-planned

MyTV Broadcasting Sdn Bhd will be launching its five core services for the digital terrestrial television (DTT) switchover in the second quarter of next year instead of after the analogue switch off in 2016, as originally intended.

The five services are TV and radio (both accessible via DTT broadcast), connected services, transaction commerce and soft services (accessible via broadband or 4G LTE).

MyTV chief commercial officer Haniza Ros Nasaruddin said the five services for the DTT project would be the key drivers of the company’s revenue.

“The five are a combination of the traditional revenue that’s now being applied in any other mature market and our own business model, which we are generating not just for MyTV but for content players to actually earn more on top of advertising revenue,” she said in an interview with The Edge Financial Daily.

“When it comes to the participation of viewers, there are some methods that we are going to introduce. The more it’s used, the more income will be generated,” she added.

MyTV chief operating officer Mohamed Redzwan Yahya said apart from advertising revenue, the company had worked out a number of other ways to collaborate with its subscribers.

“We offer subscriber management systems because we know who the owners of the set top boxes (STB) are, so we can work together with, say, a pay TV operator and go on a revenue share basis,” he said.

“We also have what we call a playout centre for new operators who do not want to invest in building a TV station but have content. This may be in line with broadcasters who want to go on retail, meaning they only want to transmit for a few hours a day,” said Redzwan.

MyTV cannot charge incumbent broadcasters like TV1, TV2, and TV3 for their services during the two year simulcast period — when both analogue and digital broadcasting services will be simultaneously available.

But new operators and content providers who have expressed interest in MyTV will not enjoy the same exemption.

“I can only say that the capacity we have may not be enough,” Redzwan said when asked who are the potential new parties that will subscribe to MyTV’s services.

MyTV is a special purpose vehicle set up by Puncak Semangat Sdn Bhd to build and operate the infrastructure and network facilities for the DTT project. Puncak Semangat is wholly-owned by the Al-Bukhary group, which in turn is controlled by tycoon Tan Sri Syed Mokhtar Al-Bukhary.
MyTV’s shareholders are Altel Holdings Sdn Bhd, Tan Sri Zainol Anwar and Datuk Abdullah Kadir Bacha.

The DTT project is part of a digital switchover initiative, in which analogue free-to-air broadcasting services will be replaced by digital transmission.

The initial migration to digital will be for government-owned and private stations, namely TV1, TV2, TV3, ntv7, 8TV, TV9, TV Al-Hijrah and Bernama TV.

Puncak Semangat was awarded the contract in April, beating REDtone Network Sdn Bhd and i-Media Broadcasting Solutions Sdn Bhd, which had initially raised eyebrows as many did not see Puncak Semangat as having the expertise to carry out the large-scale project.

To that, Redzwan said he was proud the core team responsible for the project was local.

“We know that other operators in Southeast Asia are looking at us and how we implement this. So there is that added pressure to prove that we can do it,” he said.

At the time of writing, MyTV was in the midst of finalising 16 or 17 tender packages for different components of the project, which would be opened for bidding possibly as early as the end of this month. – The Edge Financial Daily, August 18, 2014.

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QUOTE(leetan33 @ Aug 18 2014, 05:29 PM)
MyTV to offer services a year earlier than planned

Source: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...er-than-planned

MyTV Broadcasting Sdn Bhd will be launching its five core services for the digital terrestrial television (DTT) switchover in the second quarter of next year instead of after the analogue switch off in 2016, as originally intended.

The five services are TV and radio (both accessible via DTT broadcast), connected services, transaction commerce and soft services (accessible via broadband or 4G LTE).
Let me guess... not umlimited and throttled (if low on quota)... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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I hope they implement 2nd generation teletext or MHEG Digital Text or some form of new teletext. It will be beneficial; entertaintment and information on your television set at your finger tips. I remember the good old days of Beriteks. I had a TV with fastext and it was good. You could even view stock market and travel info on it besides other things.

But like you said, not sure how they go about implementing it.
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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Aug 18 2014, 06:12 PM)
Let me guess... not umlimited and throttled (if low on quota)... laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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I'm more like thinking they're going to reimplement TV license using DVB-CI shakehead.gif

QUOTE(Wobblyblob @ Aug 18 2014, 09:26 PM)
I hope they implement 2nd generation teletext or MHEG Digital Text or some form of new teletext. It will be beneficial; entertaintment and information on your television set at your finger tips. I remember the good old days of Beriteks. I had a TV with fastext and it was good. You could even view stock market and travel info on it besides other things.

But like you said, not sure how they go about implementing it.
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Second generation teletext is also only for Analog systems, so implementing it then shutting down a year later is not feasible. I hope Infonet and Beriteks comes back as MHEG Digital Text services tho- I really miss teletext. Even when I already had Internet, I still relied on Teletext for EPG and time/date. Also some times used it to see plane schedules. My mom is the heaviest user of Text, use it to play her saham on KLSE. It was a great loss when RTM then TV3 shut it down.

Back in the day before Internet became affordable, every single TV in my house has Teletext. Even now all my TVs still support teletext (apparently Teletext is still being transmitted in Singapore so TV made for both markets still support it). Only that there has been no transmission since Media Prima shut down Infonet.

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QUOTE(leetan33 @ Aug 18 2014, 06:29 PM)
MyTV to offer services a year earlier than planned

Source: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...er-than-planned

MyTV Broadcasting Sdn Bhd will be launching its five core services for the digital terrestrial television (DTT) switchover in the second quarter of next year instead of after the analogue switch off in 2016, as originally intended.
I thought they said Digital will start on 2015 1st Jan.

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