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post Jun 23 2014, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Jun 23 2014, 10:54 AM)
Presidential candidates debate last night, 22 June 2014, with focus on defense and international relation

Prabowo:
Purchase of more high-tech armament, including 5th gen fighter if possible
Support for MBT and other heavy ground armaments
Larger TNI-AD with 500 full-time infantry battalions, one in each kabupaten
Formation of national reserve forces
Continuance of SBY's "one thousands friends, zero enemy" policy
Takeover of FIR on Riau/Natuna islands from Singapore

Jokowi:
Defense budget of more than $20 billion/year in 4-5 years with economic growth 7+ percent
Dominant maritime force in ASEAN
Drones for regular surveillance on border and sea
Oppose MBTs and support for lighter 30-ton medium tanks
Prioritize on negotiation to handle conflicts with other nations


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look at these guys blink.gif
putting defence matters into their promises
atleast they put their attention on defence

while our M'sia candidates in General Election? pfffttt doh.gif doh.gif
BR1M, lower price of cars, discounts in properties, Wifi, and other bullcraps are their sweet promises shakehead.gif
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post Jun 23 2014, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(mambangafro @ Jun 22 2014, 12:30 AM)
anyone here worked in Air Force in maintenance and engineering?

wanna ask diorang punya engineer/technician yang bahagian aircraft maintenance sama ke macam civil aircraft punya?atau lain?
sesapa yang bekerja bahagian tu harap boleh jelaskan.
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apa yg sama and lain ?

QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 22 2014, 12:42 AM)
Closest I think of is maryjane9996, Aerotree staff
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after this i need to behave lyn.. sweat.gif
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post Jun 23 2014, 03:48 PM

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South Korea captures soldier accused of killing 5, and injuring 9 others

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SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — A South Korean soldier who fled after allegedly killing five colleagues was captured Monday
following an unsuccessful suicide attempt, the Defense Ministry said.

The 22-year-old sergeant surnamed Yim shot himself on the side of his abdomen but failed to kill himself.
Yim was being taken to a nearby hospital, said a ministry official, who spoke on condition of anonymity citing department rules.
He gave no further details.

There has been massive manhunt for Yim since authorities said he killed five and wounded seven Saturday night
before fleeing his frontline unit with his standard issue K2 assault rifle.

He also fired Sunday on the troops chasing him, injuring a platoon leader. On Monday, officials said a South Korean soldier
was wounded by suspected friendly fire.

Earlier, troops surrounded him so closely Monday in the forest that they could toss him a mobile phone to talk to his father
as well as bread and bottled water. His parents were also brought to the area to try to persuade him to turn himself in.

It wasn't clear what triggered the rampage, and there was no indication that South Korea's bitter rival, North Korea, was involved.

Yim was scheduled to complete his nearly two years of mandatory military service in September, according to defense officials.

Initial personality tests in April of last year put Yim within a group of soldiers who need special attention and are unfit for frontline duty,
according to the Defense Ministry. But tests last November concluded he had improved and could serve in the frontline area,
defense officials said.


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post Jun 23 2014, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 23 2014, 03:48 PM)
South Korea captures soldier accused of killing 5, and injuring 9 others

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[Yahoo]
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i'm amazed they didn't kill him after he shot those soldiers and then shot his chasers
they need him alive huh
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post Jun 23 2014, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 23 2014, 03:48 PM)
South Korea captures soldier accused of killing 5, and injuring 9 others

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[Yahoo]
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reminded me of a Korean movie, on how a conscript soldier went nuts after the accidently killed a fisherman, who was on the beach during curfew and was awarded a medal for that..he went coo-coo and killed several of his fellow soldiers b4 killing a civvie..
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QUOTE(mambangafro @ Jun 23 2014, 05:16 PM)
macam civil punya kan ada LAE technician itu ini
Pastu civil aircraft ada maintenance program dia
kena ada approval itu ini EASA FAA bla bla bla
kapal military pulak camna?
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first of all,our aicraft is the first private aircraft registered under M.
DGTA is the authority.
we dont need to be license,as long as got type course and hv exp to perform maintenance on it.
maintenance prog we follow OEM requirement.
xperlu approval,as long dgta satisfy with your exp,qualification,type course u good to go.

but if airforce aircraft/government aircraft im not sure.

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post Jun 23 2014, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(mambangafro @ Jun 23 2014, 05:32 PM)
biasanya kapal military ni lagi strict ke atau kurang berbanding dengan kapal civil?
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for us,we follow whatever the oem requirement,including all the SB/AD..
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post Jun 23 2014, 05:46 PM

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guys, what happened in the case of fighter jet gets down by accident, do the pilot have to cut his pay or what? do the fighter jets get insured or compensated?

i mean, it's a very pricey item in the inventory, if anything happened the money gone kaput.
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QUOTE(asyraff88kmp @ Jun 23 2014, 05:46 PM)
guys, what happened in the case of fighter jet gets down by accident, do the pilot have to cut his pay or what? do the fighter jets get insured or compensated?

i mean, it's a very pricey item in the inventory, if anything happened the money gone kaput.
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BOI.
if the pilot is not found guilty then he can resume his duty
if because of negligence then discipline charges or even dishonorable discharge or in some cases even jail time
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post Jun 23 2014, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(asyraff88kmp @ Jun 23 2014, 05:46 PM)
guys, what happened in the case of fighter jet gets down by accident, do the pilot have to cut his pay or what? do the fighter jets get insured or compensated?

i mean, it's a very pricey item in the inventory, if anything happened the money gone kaput.
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As atrey says, but most cases is equipment failure, engine flameout, those kind of things
Military equipment dun have insurance lel
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so if it loss, it is total loss?
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post Jun 23 2014, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(asyraff88kmp @ Jun 23 2014, 09:30 PM)
so if it loss, it is total loss?
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Yup, poof, habis, written off

Insurers in the first place avoids high risk insurance, military equipments is one
Also interesting point is that the malayan emergency era is called "emergency" but not civil war or war is because insurance company dunwan to insurance the rubber plantations damages if its called "war"

This post has been edited by KYPMbangi: Jun 23 2014, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 23 2014, 09:33 PM)
Yup, poof, habis, written off

Insurers in the first place avoids high risk insurance, military equipments is one
Also interesting point is that the malayan emergency era is called "emergency" but not civil war or war is because insurance company dunwan to insurance the rubber plantations damages if its called "war"
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What about police vehicles and equipments?
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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Jun 23 2014, 10:19 PM)
What about police vehicles and equipments?
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Probably the same, if got insurance pun mesti kena premium kaw2 punye
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A very good addition for our ESSCOM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 23 2014, 10:22 PM)
Probably the same, if got insurance pun mesti kena premium kaw2 punye
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tarak jugak
apa nama kapal hang Hong Leong Defence something bakar tu
walaupun insurance, tp tak dapat la bayaran penuh. Kompeni tu last2 gulung tikar gak
aku lupa kapal apa
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TNI to Get First Delivery of Leopard Tanks

By Markus Junianto Sihaloho on 08:15 am Jun 23, 2014

Jakarta. Indonesia is preparing to receive the first batch of armored vehicles it procured from Germany — from an order of 164 units — as the archipelagic nation strives to meet its minimum essential force requirement amid rising tensions in the region.

A total of 52 combat vehicles, consisting of 26 Leopard main battle tanks and 26 medium-sized Marder infantry fighting vehicles, will be shipped from the city of Unterluss following a brief ceremony early this week, which will be attended by Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin, Indonesia’s deputy defense minister, and Gen. Pramono Edhie Wibowo, retired Army chief of staff.

Pramono said he initiated the deal to purchase the 164 German combat vehicles — inked last year — before retiring.

“We will be in Unterluss to oversee the final preparations — including technical inspections and testing — involved in shipping the Leopard tanks to Indonesia,” Pramono said in a statement on Sunday before departing for Germany.

The former general declined to give the exact expected delivery date for the first batch of combat vehicles, but mentioned they would be arrive in time to be displayed in Jakarta for the Indonesian Military’s (TNI) anniversary on Oct. 5.

The purchase is part of the government’s larger plan to modernize Indonesia’s aging military equipment and weaponry — an overhaul that was last carried out over 30 years ago.

“Indonesia has fallen behind in terms of armory, even compared to several of our Asean neighbors,” Pramono said, referring to the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, of which Indonesia is a leading member. “We have been relying on light tanks, such as Scorpions and AMX-13, which are getting on in years.”

Germany had given defense firm Rheinmetall the green light in 2012 to export 104 Leopard 2 tanks, 50 Marder 1A2 infantry fighting vehicles and 10 other military carriers — including armored recovery vehicles, mobile bridges and military engineering vehicles — to Indonesia, German news portal Spiegel Online reported.

According to Indonesian officials, the initial agreement for 130 tanks was valued at $280 million, while Rheinmentall’s press released placed the figure at 216 million euro, or $293.7 million. The deal includes training sessions, logistical support services and an initial supply of practice and service ammunition.

The deliveries are scheduled to be concluded between 2014 and 2016.

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono launched strategic plans in 2010 to help Indonesia meet its minimum essential force (MEF) — an effort to revamp the country’s aging weaponry and military equipment. Under the program, the country’s military procurement plans are divided into three phases — the first stretching from 2010 to 2014 — until the MEF is reached, which is targeted for 2024.

The archipelago’s domestic defense industry will also be fostered to grow under the program.

The Ministry of Defense has been among the largest recipients of government funds over the past several years. In addition to the annual budget, which amounted to Rp 86 trillion ($7 billion) this year, the government has also allocated some Rp 156 trillion toward modernizing military equipment throughout 2014.

Nevertheless, Indonesia only spent 0.8 percent of its gross domestic product on defense in 2012. Though the figure adds up to a substantial amount of money in real terms, the spending still pales in comparison to those of Indonesia’s regional peers.

The ideal budget, according to Sjafrie, would be 1 percent to 2 percent of GDP, which is the amount being spent by many of the world’s developing nations.

The deputy defense minster said he hopes Indonesia is able to reach that level of spending by 2024.

After dedicating more than $15 billion to building the country’s defenses system since 2010, Indonesia has managed to reach 40 percent of its MEF — well above phase one’s goal of 30 percent, Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro said.

Achieving these goals, he added, are crucial for tackling security challenges of the 21st century, with the global security focus shifting from the Middle East to the Asia-Pacific region, where disputes over resource-rich areas have continued to escalate, involving major players such as China, Vietnam and the Philippines.


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