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Advice Wanted [WTA] Proposal Ring & Wedding Bands, Please advice me!! Need Help!!

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kambingkoh
post Oct 27 2016, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(keeting89 @ Oct 13 2016, 12:26 PM)
Hi, i have gotten the H&A image from audreys..is that okay? Any comment?

Thanks alot..
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Hi Keeting,

Here is what Todd from NiceIce.com replied me when I seek for his advice on your candidate diamond, hope it can help you smile.gif :

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That's a very thorough analysis and I agree with most of it. Let's make some minor tweaks. Feel free to use any or all of this on your site.

The little arrowheads that appear in the middle of the hearts pattern are always going to be erratic in structure, don't pay those any attention, none at all.

The images provided for hearts and arrows by this particular supplier are not really photographs, but rather computer generated renderings, probably generated using Sarine Computerized proportions analysis. But they can tell us a bit about the optical precision, which is not up to my standards for "Hearts and Arrows". Let's analyze the image:

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​The green arrows pointing to obstruction under the table facet at the base of the arrows is going to be most evident to most people without a lot of diamond evaluation experience. This obstruction will face-up black from the top down view of a clarity photograph. It is created by differences in the space around each of the hearts, which is indicated here using the color pink.

You'll notice that the varying degrees of obstruction affect the visible amount of (what should be) translucent space under the table facet. Thus the relative space within each of the triangular patterns that appear between the arrow shafts is different. This will play havoc with the manner in which light reflects throughout the diamond, it will not be evenly dispersed. You can see a difference in the depth of the red space that borders the eight sides of the table facet outline being affected by the volume of obstruction. Note that all diamonds will exhibit some degree of obstruction, but the idea is to minimize it.

Note that the larger amount of space around one of the hearts is creating the small amount of light leakage visible as black in the relative one o'clock region of the table facet.

The light blue circles indicate where the tips of the hearts appear to be twisting or bending. In reality, they are not twisting, nor bending. This is an optical illusion created by the light reflections coming off the pavilion main facets from the other side of the diamond, being different in length. See graphic this page - which I'm now reminded is more of a draft which needs to be finished.

The majority of these optical precision issues are being created by differences in the size, length and the indexing of the lower girdle facets, but it is also accentuated by the proportions of the diamond. The crown and pavilion angle measurements are only the beginning of the diamond selection process, the crown and depth measurements must also be taken into account, but these factors are more of a puzzle comprised of sliding pieces - which is why I've never attempted to write a tutorial on it, it would simply be too confusing and would likely create a logistical nightmare for the consumer.

But I can tell you that the pavilion depth of 43.5% happens to be the "critical tipping point" where light begins NOT to strike fully off the pavilion facets. Thus the full volume of light is not likely to be reflected back up from the pavilion facets (lower half of the diamond) the person observing the diamond. This is one of the reasons why Enchanted Diamonds is giving this 0.40 carat, F-color, VVS-1 clarity, GIA Excellent cut round diamond an overall cut score of 94.1% out of a possible 100%.

The shallower crown angle of 33 degrees is also a factor and is likely to produce more brilliance (white sparkle) as opposed to producing a virtual balance of brilliance and dispersion (colored sparkle) as would be likely to occur with a crown angle between 34.3 - 35.0 degrees. This effect is likely to be increased by the 80% lower girdle facet length, which is likely to produce sparkle which is smaller in size.

Due to the way our human eyes interpret sparkle that is smaller in size, it is not likely to be fully dispersed into colored sparkle. Note that the GIA rounds off the lower girdle facet length to the nearest half a percent, so the diamond might produce sparkle that is larger in size if the lower girdle facets are actually 78% which the GIA would round up to 80% and this can be visually estimated by an experienced diamond grader using the clarity photograph.

I'm definitely not a fan of lab grown diamonds, feel free to link to this article and borrow some graphics if you want (with credit of origin please, maintains validity of license). I realize that in your case this statement is kind of redundant since you seem to be very good about that already... Thank you for that.

Refer to the article Diamond Color Grading for additional insight on blue fluorescence and a really cool video. I've never seen a diamond with medium blue fluorescence that presented any negative visual properties, it can only help in my opinion. The realm of strong blue is also usually a safe bet. There is the potential for diamonds to appear "over blue" which people tend to interpret as being milky or cloudy, in the realm of very strong to distinct blue - this is where the 2% of gem quality diamonds come in, which exhibit visual properties negatively influenced by the extremely high volume of blue fluorescence. Always advise your clients to avoid diamonds exhibiting white or yellow fluorescence, that is always going to negatively influence the visual properties.

It's super cool to see you taking such an interest in diamonds :-)


This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Oct 27 2016, 01:42 PM
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post Oct 27 2016, 02:57 PM

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What would be the estimate cost for:
Carat - 0.3 to 0.4
Clarity - VS2, SI1
Colour - H, I, J
Cut - Excellent

And have anyone out there proposed before with other than diamonds - e.g. Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald etc? hmm.gif
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post Oct 31 2016, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(mariobros @ Oct 27 2016, 02:57 PM)
What would be the estimate cost for:
Carat - 0.3 to 0.4
Clarity - VS2, SI1
Colour - H, I, J
Cut - Excellent

And have anyone out there proposed before with other than diamonds - e.g. Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald etc?  hmm.gif
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Filter from here:
http://audreys.com.my/audreys/diamondsearch.php

Based on your specs, the price range quoted by Audrey's is from RM 1,8xx - RM 3,9xx for loose diamond alone. If you buy from Audrey's the 18K white gold ring setting should be cheaper than finding another jeweller.

If you are on a budget, you can look for Tailored Jewel (http://tailoredjewel.com/). Ethon from Tailored Jewel is very helpful and they are currently running a promotion. Eumayco (www.eumaycojewellery.com) is another option. Tailored Jewel's white gold is solid. I believe it contains Palladium too (a rare metal), where some jewellers won't provide. Anyway, if you are dealing with Ethon, he will work hard until your expectations are met.

If you want diamonds with excellent cut and good workmanship on ring setting, but maybe cost more, probably you can check out iDo Jewellery (http://www.idojewellery.com/). My ring setting is from iDo, but my diamond is not, however, based on her explanation on her diamond filtering process, I guess she is able to get some diamonds with excellent cut.

Lastly, if you buying from GIA graded diamonds, use https://enchanteddiamonds.com/cut-score-calculator to filter out those that score too low, maybe those lower than 90% perhaps? All you need is just to input the GIA cert number. For example:

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Hope this helps.

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post Nov 1 2016, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(mariobros @ Oct 27 2016, 02:57 PM)
What would be the estimate cost for:
Carat - 0.3 to 0.4
Clarity - VS2, SI1
Colour - H, I, J
Cut - Excellent

And have anyone out there proposed before with other than diamonds - e.g. Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald etc?  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(mariobros @ Oct 28 2016, 09:42 AM)
Shopping for engagement ring icon_rolleyes.gif
From your experience, which shop that you're satisfied with?

- Prefer physical shops or those can see the physical jewellery
- No expensive brands like Swarovski or Tiffany or De Beers
- Prefer those already setup with ring instead of choosing loose gem and ring separately
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Price for 0.3c, SI1, J and 3EX is RM 1.7k. For 0.39c VS2, H and 3EX, it is RM 3.3k. I don't suggest that you go for 0.4c cause it seems that you're on a tight budget. There is a price jump at 0.4c. What is your budget?
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G 0.34c VS2 = RM4100, worth of money?
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QUOTE(mariobros @ Oct 27 2016, 02:57 PM)
What would be the estimate cost for:
Carat - 0.3 to 0.4
Clarity - VS2, SI1
Colour - H, I, J
Cut - Excellent

And have anyone out there proposed before with other than diamonds - e.g. Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald etc?  hmm.gif
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bro, where did u survey/
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post Nov 1 2016, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Nov 1 2016, 02:10 PM)
G 0.34c VS2 = RM4100, worth of money?
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Nope, with the same amount of money, can get F colour and IF clarity, or E colour VVS1.
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QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Nov 1 2016, 07:34 PM)
Nope, with the same amount of money, can get F colour and IF clarity, or E colour VVS1.
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Any place recommended?

Btw, the price include the casing..the diamond itself rm3100
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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Nov 1 2016, 10:50 PM)
Any place recommended?

Btw, the price include the casing..the diamond itself rm3100
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Say earlier lar. Diamond for RM 3.1k is about there, for GIA certified diamond. Can get a bit cheaper, but judging from the price you're paying for the setting, I wouldn't recommend getting it elsewhere as the price difference will be only a couple of hunderd.

What is the GIA number of the diamond?
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post Nov 1 2016, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Oct 31 2016, 02:15 PM)
Filter from here:
http://audreys.com.my/audreys/diamondsearch.php

Based on your specs, the price range quoted by Audrey's is from RM 1,8xx - RM 3,9xx for loose diamond alone. If you buy from Audrey's the 18K white gold ring setting should be cheaper than finding another jeweller.

If you are on a budget, you can look for Tailored Jewel (http://tailoredjewel.com/). Ethon from Tailored Jewel is very helpful and they are currently running a promotion. Eumayco (www.eumaycojewellery.com) is another option. Tailored Jewel's white gold is solid. I believe it contains Palladium too (a rare metal), where some jewellers won't provide. Anyway, if you are dealing with Ethon, he will work hard until your expectations are met.

If you want diamonds with excellent cut and good workmanship on ring setting, but maybe cost more, probably you can check out iDo Jewellery (http://www.idojewellery.com/). My ring setting is from iDo, but my diamond is not, however, based on her explanation on her diamond filtering process, I guess she is able to get some diamonds with excellent cut.

Lastly, if you buying from GIA graded diamonds, use https://enchanteddiamonds.com/cut-score-calculator to filter out those that score too low, maybe those lower than 90% perhaps? All you need is just to input the GIA cert number. For example:

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Hope this helps.
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Wow thanks! I love the recommendation of Tailored Jewel and Eumayco. Something not so 'commercialized' brand.
Audrey's ring itself costs at least RM2100? Didn't expect that as noob in these things.
I'm looking at the most basic setting, no need fancy-schmancy just a proposal from the heart smile.gif
QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Nov 1 2016, 08:27 AM)
Price for 0.3c, SI1, J and 3EX is RM 1.7k.  For 0.39c VS2, H and 3EX, it is RM 3.3k.  I don't suggest that you go for 0.4c cause it seems that you're on a tight budget.  There is a price jump at 0.4c.  What is your budget?
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Budget around RM2-2.5K (diamond+ring). Feasible? Sorry didn't really know the price in market.
QUOTE(cute_miao @ Nov 1 2016, 02:11 PM)
bro, where did u survey/
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Just putting my criteria, I'm not surveying anywhere thus asking for recommendation

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QUOTE(mariobros @ Nov 1 2016, 11:25 PM)
Wow thanks! I love the recommendation of Tailored Jewel and Eumayco. Something not so 'commercialized' brand.
Audrey's ring itself costs at least RM2100? Didn't expect that as noob in these things.
I'm looking at the most basic setting, no need fancy-schmancy just a proposal from the heart  smile.gif
Budget around RM3K (diamond+ring). Feasible? Sorry didn't really know the price in market.
Just putting my criteria, I'm not surveying anywhere thus asking for recommendation
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Not sure how much does Audrey's ring setting cost. But RM 2,100 for ring setting alone is too expensive IMO. Go to iDo Jewellery, cheaper!

If budget constraint, Tailored Jewel is running a promotion for GIA 3EX 0.25 E VS2 diamond with 18-K White Gold Setting. RM 3,300, hopefully within your budget.

https://www.facebook.com/tailoredjewel/phot...?type=3&theater

Eumayco latest price list:
https://www.facebook.com/eumayco.jewellery/...312867075420876

RM 3,800 for 0.32ct I colour SI1 clarity, including 18-K White Gold Setting.

If you ask me, I will go for 0.25ct from Tailored Jewel. Size-wise, probably wont be very noticeable at all, but colour-wise, it will be noticeable.

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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Nov 1 2016, 02:10 PM)
G 0.34c VS2 = RM4100, worth of money?
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May I know which jeweller quoted you this?
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QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Nov 1 2016, 11:15 PM)
Say earlier lar.  Diamond for RM 3.1k is about there, for GIA certified diamond.  Can get a bit cheaper, but judging from the price you're paying for the setting, I wouldn't recommend getting it elsewhere as the price difference will be only a couple of hunderd.

What is the GIA number of the diamond?
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hi bro..

just went there to check

here is the info

0.34crt H SI2 Triple Excellent N with casing = RM4100

and

0.25 carat E VS2 Triple Excellent = RM3300

(which is worth penny?) sorry a noob here..


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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Nov 2 2016, 11:09 AM)
hi bro..

just went there to check

here is the info

0.34crt H SI2 Triple Excellent N with casing = RM4100

and

0.25 carat E VS2 Triple Excellent = RM3300

(which is worth penny?) sorry a noob here..
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Like I said, get the GIA number. Without it, hard to make a call.

And which shop is it?

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QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Nov 2 2016, 12:29 PM)
Like I said, get the GIA number.  Without it,  hard to make a call.

And which shop is it?
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they told me but i couldnt remember...too many numbers with 7 1 9 0000.

its euyo and tailor
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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Nov 2 2016, 01:21 PM)
they told me but i couldnt remember...too many numbers with 7 1 9 0000.

its euyo and tailor
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Purely based on the 4Cs, I dont think the 0.34c is a good deal.

For the 0.25c, does it include ring?

Can't you get them to text you the GIA number?
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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Nov 2 2016, 11:09 AM)
hi bro..

just went there to check

here is the info

0.34crt H SI2 Triple Excellent N with casing = RM4100

and

0.25 carat E VS2 Triple Excellent = RM3300

(which is worth penny?) sorry a noob here..
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Personally don't think I will get 0.34crt H SI2 Triple Excellent. Based on specs alone, 0.30ct E VS2 with ring from Tailored Jewel only cost RM 4,400. RM 300 difference for a colour that is 3 grades higher and clarity that is 2 grades higher is good for me. 0.34ct and 0.30ct size difference is too minimal to be noticed.

Which one is worth? I will go for 0.25ct, if compared between the two you have.
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QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Nov 2 2016, 01:31 PM)
Purely based on the 4Cs, I dont think the 0.34c is a good deal. 

For the 0.25c, does it include ring?

Can't you get them to text you the GIA number?
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Yes, Tailored Jewel's one includes 18k WG setting.

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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Nov 2 2016, 01:21 PM)
they told me but i couldnt remember...too many numbers with 7 1 9 0000.

its euyo and tailor
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Try to get the GIA cert numbers, you can at least get the basic idea on how well cut the stone is. Can see whether it is cut too deep, or the pavilion angles./crown angles are too much.
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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Nov 2 2016, 03:10 PM)
Personally don't think I will get 0.34crt H SI2 Triple Excellent. Based on specs alone, 0.30ct E VS2 with ring from Tailored Jewel only cost RM 4,400. RM 300 difference for a colour that is 3 grades higher and clarity that is 2 grades higher is good for me. 0.34ct and 0.30ct size difference is too minimal to be noticed.

Which one is worth? I will go for 0.25ct, if compared between the two you have.
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thanks bro

how bout this....LAST to ask from me

0.34crt H SI2 Triple Excellent N with side diamond casing = RM4100

and

0.25 carat E VS2 Triple Excellent with side diamond casing= RM3800


please advise..after this, promise no more noob question


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