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post Apr 29 2014, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Apr 29 2014, 02:06 PM)
did considered flat roof, but considering the amount of things that could go wrong with the concrete, i would pass.
also considered a parapet wall, with metal decking to cover. but considering that it'll only welcome fungus growth, also avoided.

anyway i didn't get the seaside land.
there's an entrance there, family entrance. the space is the walkway.
how did you arrive at that estimation? another couple of hundred thousand just for interior design is a bit too much don't you think?
if it's an agricultural land, you're entitled to 1 building per each land title. so don't have to change the land type if you're thinking of building.

otherwise you need to change the type to residential or development. changing agricultural type to residential do take time and you need written consent from your local council. they have specific rules on what type of land that cannot be changed so be wary.
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ID as in finishing like tiles, marbles, flooring, doors, windows all this not cheap. My wet work on my house vs interior is almost 1:1 ratio.
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QUOTE(paskal @ Apr 29 2014, 02:06 PM)
if it's an agricultural land, you're entitled to 1 building per each land title. so don't have to change the land type if you're thinking of building.

otherwise you need to change the type to residential or development. changing agricultural type to residential do take time and you need written consent from your local council. they have specific rules on what type of land that cannot be changed so be wary.
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Thanks for the info, in short we can build one building in a piece of land say (1 acre size) in any type of land other than resi land where you can build more, does it constrain on the height (eg not more than 3 story) or the size of that one building.
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post Apr 29 2014, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Apr 29 2014, 02:06 PM)
did considered flat roof, but considering the amount of things that could go wrong with the concrete, i would pass.
also considered a parapet wall, with metal decking to cover. but considering that it'll only welcome fungus growth, also avoided.

anyway i didn't get the seaside land.
there's an entrance there, family entrance. the space is the walkway.
how did you arrive at that estimation? another couple of hundred thousand just for interior design is a bit too much don't you think?
if it's an agricultural land, you're entitled to 1 building per each land title. so don't have to change the land type if you're thinking of building.

otherwise you need to change the type to residential or development. changing agricultural type to residential do take time and you need written consent from your local council. they have specific rules on what type of land that cannot be changed so be wary.
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Forgot totally that agri land can build a house inside doh.gif
Too bad Seremban most of the agri land are for bumi only cry.gif
No need to engage ID whistling.gif since it will bring up your overall building cost by 100-200% for the same work if you design your self.
Since you have plenty of space, built in ceiling height cabinets are not a must compare to terrace house.
Always put practicality, ergonomics in mind.
Air cond compressor mounting you can make concrete table for it, look more neat thumbup.gif
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post Apr 29 2014, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 29 2014, 03:11 PM)
Forgot totally that agri land can build a house inside doh.gif
Too bad Seremban most of the agri land are for bumi only cry.gif
No need to engage ID whistling.gif since it will bring up your overall building cost by 100-200% for the same work if you design your self.
Since you have plenty of space, built in ceiling height cabinets are not a must compare to terrace house.
Always put practicality, ergonomics in mind.
Air cond compressor mounting you can make concrete table for it, look more neat thumbup.gif
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Agree on this, huge difference in $$$ when im doing my DS house 6 years ago.
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post Apr 29 2014, 03:20 PM

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Nice.. following the developments.. all the best paskal kianwee

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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Apr 29 2014, 02:49 PM)
Thanks for the info, in short we can build one building in a piece of land say (1 acre size) in any type of land other than resi land where you can build more, does it constrain on the height (eg not more than 3 story) or the size of that one building.
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I will just build single storey with that size of land. Then plant tree around to cover the building biggrin.gif

QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Apr 29 2014, 03:19 PM)
Agree on this, huge difference in $$$ when im doing my DS house 6 years ago.
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If we know the basics, we don't need ID in the first place. If you are a Chinese, feng shui is 1 of the element we need to consider, so can't simply use reflecting materials on the cabinet doors, on the wall and so on.
Using solid finishing will look dull or old fashioned. Some soft color finish will be the best and nearer to wet kitchen should be using darker color(dirty also not that obvious).
If worry to get wet, aluminum cabinet at bottom(mine are concrete table and finish it with aluminum sliding doors) while MDF/chipboard cabinet on top.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 29 2014, 03:32 PM)
I will just build single storey with that size of land. Then plant tree around to cover the building biggrin.gif
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Something like this ...



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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Apr 29 2014, 04:50 PM)
Something like this ...
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post Apr 29 2014, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Apr 29 2014, 09:33 AM)
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found the floorplan to the 3D which i've submitted for quotation.
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correction it's not 2400 sqft. total interior space is 3143 sqft.
RM260k, which translate to ~RM83 psft.

deck and porch at half of the interior price. total build price not breaching RM300k.
5 bedroom, 1 ht room.
separated wet & dry kitchen.
2 family area at ground floor & 2nd floor.
6 bathroom
indoor store room
separated guest area & dining area

hard to believe?
believe it.
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rm83/sqft is do-able based on the plan shown and with basic finishing. I completed my house last year and it cost me around rm130/sqft. but my house is much bigger at 6000sqft and with slightly better finishing. The amount of concrete used also quite a lot since part of my roof is concrete roof.
For this to be possible, you cannot engage a contractor; you need to hire the indon workers yourself and be the project manager - manage everything yourself. One important thing is to get a good "chief indon" worker - who can help you manage the other workers. Other than that you will get a bit of headache every now and then ... after then you house will be ready! not impossible at all.

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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Apr 29 2014, 04:50 PM)
Something like this ...
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something like this looks simple but actually not that easy to build. concrete formwork must be good ... otherwise, you cannot get this beautiful fair-face concrete.

i have only seen a few houses like this in kl but not as nice as in the picture.
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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Apr 29 2014, 04:50 PM)
Something like this ...
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Don't build this type of house, no gate and fence here.
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post Apr 30 2014, 02:08 AM

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No where near to building my own house from scratch yet... But this thread will be a good read!!!

p/s: TS, great land!!!!
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QUOTE(lionfish77 @ Apr 29 2014, 08:43 PM)
rm83/sqft is do-able based on the plan shown and with basic finishing. I completed my house last year and it cost me around rm130/sqft. but my house is much bigger at 6000sqft and with slightly better finishing. The amount of concrete used also quite a lot since part of my roof is concrete roof.
For this to be possible, you cannot engage a contractor; you need to hire the indon workers yourself and be the project manager - manage everything yourself. One important thing is to get a good "chief indon" worker - who can help you manage the other workers. Other than that you will get a bit of headache every now and then ... after then you house will be ready! not impossible at all.
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post Apr 30 2014, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Apr 30 2014, 12:46 PM)
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TS already stated that 2 houses have already been completed, and these 2 houses were his friends'. If it was that terrible, his friend wouldn't have recommended to him.
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site survey.

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there's 2 prevalent wind direction, which change according to the northeast or southwest monsoon season.
sunrise and sunset movement are also shown. the sun rises at relatively the same position but sets at different location according to the season.

land plot is actually square, but drawn in trapezoid because i'm bad at drawing artsy.
drawing not according to scale. it's a sketch afterall.
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post May 5 2014, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Apr 29 2014, 02:06 PM)
otherwise you need to change the type to residential or development. changing agricultural type to residential do take time and you need written consent from your local council. they have specific rules on what type of land that cannot be changed so be wary.
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What are the cons and pros if having a property on agriculture land vs residential land?

What kind of paper work/authorities do I have to approach in order to build a house in agriculture/residential land?

Thx. Hehe I can't wait to see ur dream house coming true. smile.gif
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there's quite a number of arrangement that we could make to integrate the view, wind direction and sunshine.
the only thing that have to be fixed is the car porch which should be facing the entrance.
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in total, i think there's more than 20 revisions made to the plan before we finalized the layout.
friends commented that if were to engage an architect for all of this, it's surely going to cost me an arm just for the drawing.
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QUOTE(Noobl3t @ May 5 2014, 11:06 AM)
What are the cons and pros if having a property on agriculture land vs residential land?

What kind of paper work/authorities do I have to approach in order to build a house in agriculture/residential land?

Thx. Hehe I can't wait to see ur dream house coming true. smile.gif
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no idea. maybe the land + house value is lower because the land type is agriculture.

first check with your land office. as land code is different from state to state. then check with your local council because they're the one you're gonna be submitting the plans to.
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post May 5 2014, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ May 5 2014, 01:27 PM)
there's quite a number of arrangement that we could make to integrate the view, wind direction and sunshine.
the only thing that have to be fixed is the car porch which should be facing the entrance.
office. as land code is different from state to state. then check with your local council because they're the one you're gonna be submitting the plans to.
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It seems like the wind are directed to the walls. Have you considered positioning the house in a way where the wind directly flows into the living room/open deck, through the house for an unobstructed open ventilation? Most traditional kampung houses are designed in this way, which is why it's always feel more cooling in kampung house.

Just to share, I'm modelling this house for my upcoming construction (not my pics*).

good luck in your construction.


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QUOTE(meteoraniac @ May 5 2014, 02:21 PM)
It seems like the wind are directed to the walls. Have you considered positioning the house in a way where the wind directly flows into the living room/open deck, through the house for an unobstructed open ventilation? Most traditional kampung houses are designed in this way, which is why it's always feel more cooling in kampung house.
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thanks for the suggestion. we indeed have positioned the layout so that the wind is directed into the house, tho not following the one in your picture.
reason being, the wind do get quite violent at times, so arranging large glass panels directly opposing them is avoided in my design.

the side of the house facing the wind direction are filled with bedrooms. nice view from the bedroom, smaller glass panels facing the wind and hidden from the entrance/service road.

you're considering that much glass panel to your design? it's gonna be hard to secure from break-ins with that much unprotected glass. and adding iron grille to it would just be too ugly.
what's your idea on this issue?
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post May 6 2014, 12:43 PM

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You opt for 5mm tempered lami glass which is much stronger than normal glass ... but if given ample time and tools, the burglar will still be able to break in.

I use 8mm tempered lami glass as flooring for my fish pond and its safe for human traffic on top of it.

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