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 DIY (smart, energy efficient) house building, another house from scratch. DIY style.

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post Apr 29 2014, 09:36 AM

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Building a bungalow you can't avoid west.
Only way is extend the roof by another 2-3 ft
rm86 is dirt cheap already.
With 7000sqft of land, I'll prefer to build single storey rather than double storey. 2400sqft of total build up, if double storey translate to about 30*40ft or 20*60 which will make the land area very big(and hard to maintain if your family are not big).
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post Apr 29 2014, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Apr 29 2014, 09:51 AM)
2 friends managed to negotiate with the same contractor and got their houses build for RM75 & RM78 psft. already finished construction in 2013 and moved in.
spot on.
after discussion with friends and relatives owning double storey houses, they advised against proceeding with the plan since there's no constraint with land area.

but but but. double storey looks really nice.
but they suggested that it's a nuisance having to climb up and down the stairs everyday.
no ID. contractor only gonna include a concrete table top at the wet kitchen.
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Listen to old man says.
Actually I prefer bungalow land of 5000-6000sqft, easier to maintain. Now I in the search of such sized land also, sadly, all are >7000sqft and shouting for rm40-50 per sqft doh.gif
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post Apr 29 2014, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Apr 29 2014, 01:04 PM)
Thanks for sharing guys, can the property build on any type of land or it must be on a residential gazetted land.
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Must be resident land.
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post Apr 29 2014, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Apr 29 2014, 02:06 PM)
did considered flat roof, but considering the amount of things that could go wrong with the concrete, i would pass.
also considered a parapet wall, with metal decking to cover. but considering that it'll only welcome fungus growth, also avoided.

anyway i didn't get the seaside land.
there's an entrance there, family entrance. the space is the walkway.
how did you arrive at that estimation? another couple of hundred thousand just for interior design is a bit too much don't you think?
if it's an agricultural land, you're entitled to 1 building per each land title. so don't have to change the land type if you're thinking of building.

otherwise you need to change the type to residential or development. changing agricultural type to residential do take time and you need written consent from your local council. they have specific rules on what type of land that cannot be changed so be wary.
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Forgot totally that agri land can build a house inside doh.gif
Too bad Seremban most of the agri land are for bumi only cry.gif
No need to engage ID whistling.gif since it will bring up your overall building cost by 100-200% for the same work if you design your self.
Since you have plenty of space, built in ceiling height cabinets are not a must compare to terrace house.
Always put practicality, ergonomics in mind.
Air cond compressor mounting you can make concrete table for it, look more neat thumbup.gif
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post Apr 29 2014, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Apr 29 2014, 02:49 PM)
Thanks for the info, in short we can build one building in a piece of land say (1 acre size) in any type of land other than resi land where you can build more, does it constrain on the height (eg not more than 3 story) or the size of that one building.
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I will just build single storey with that size of land. Then plant tree around to cover the building biggrin.gif

QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Apr 29 2014, 03:19 PM)
Agree on this, huge difference in $$$ when im doing my DS house 6 years ago.
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If we know the basics, we don't need ID in the first place. If you are a Chinese, feng shui is 1 of the element we need to consider, so can't simply use reflecting materials on the cabinet doors, on the wall and so on.
Using solid finishing will look dull or old fashioned. Some soft color finish will be the best and nearer to wet kitchen should be using darker color(dirty also not that obvious).
If worry to get wet, aluminum cabinet at bottom(mine are concrete table and finish it with aluminum sliding doors) while MDF/chipboard cabinet on top.
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post Apr 29 2014, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ Apr 29 2014, 04:50 PM)
Something like this ...
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post May 6 2014, 05:30 PM

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Should be DIY style design, unless you build your own.
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post May 9 2014, 11:07 PM

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Kitchen should not be too near to main door.
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post May 16 2014, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ May 16 2014, 05:50 PM)
why's that? any particular reason it's not recommended?
you could say that. i'll try and post the 3d for the wet kitchen.
not planning to put cooker hood on top of the cooking area. so there's no top cabinet at the cooking cabinet. just exhaust fan.
nope. just gonna leave it empty. air gap.
don't have it yet. it's all diy, so haven't draw.
got a sketch for the main structures tho. drawn sketched by a civil engineer.
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Logical thinking.
Is like putting your backside in front.
Anything should go on order, eat with mouth, sheet from back side.
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post May 17 2014, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ May 17 2014, 01:33 PM)
solar panels are not viable for implementation. the cost is too high.

logic not found.
we purposely put the kitchen there so it's easier to see if someone's coming through the entrance and porch.
furthermore it's not wet kitchen there. it's the dry kitchen, which is more functional as the dining area.

i find it a hassle having to drag an entire trunk full of groceries through the main door, living room, pass the dining area just to get to the kitchen.
the proposed plan fully separate guest and family area. guests don't have to see the kitchen and family area. and family members have easy access to the family area and bedrooms.
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So basically you are following a flat's concept.
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post May 17 2014, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ May 17 2014, 01:58 PM)
i'm not an architect. not familiar as to how flats are designed.
it looks like a flat, designed like a flat, but 3x the space of a flat. must be an expensive condo.
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Well, when we have the land to design, might as well design it perfectly.
Try design it such that it is truly square or rectangle without too much angles, it will really make the house looks bigger.
And I won't build too much of kitchen cabinets also. Big house with cramped cabinets will make it small.
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post Jul 14 2014, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(Fazab @ Jun 10 2014, 11:34 PM)
In Saudi Arab, they have this kind of aerated clay brick. Very effective.
Even at mid noon can sleep in hotel room on high floor with just fan on.

But not sure if can get locally. Or if local sifus know how to build with this. Much bigger size than our standard brick.
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Most middle east countries the humidity are quite low compare to Malaysia, so there will be different. You need to know the heat index first.
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post Jul 14 2014, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Jun 15 2014, 05:00 PM)
remember this small led lights?
supposed to be 9w (3 led) and 12w (4 led), epistar chip.
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actual measurements.
9w:
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12w:
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which makes the efficiency of the 9w at 42.5% and the 12w efficiency at 46.5%
not the led efficacy mind you, but the DC conversion efficiency.

it's freaking low. waste of electricity.
even if the epistar is capable of 100lm/w, the dc conversion efficiency pulled it down. say you get 300 lumen from the 6.56w ac input, the lumen per watt is only 45.73 lm/w.
for the 4 led chip, say you get 400 lumen from 8.64w ac input, the actual output would only be 46.3 lumen/w

lower than even the cheap 11w phillips CFL that i have which is rated for 54 lumen/watt.

install LED to save energy huh?
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Energy conversion will result to lost. Especially AC to DC. AC known to be low in efficiency.
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post Jul 14 2014, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Jun 16 2014, 11:43 AM)
you could measure the current draw using a clamp meter or directly tap into the power line.
or use a wattmeter, which is in a way better because it provides the power factor reading.

power factor reading is needed to calculate the actual power usage, but some older tnb meters doesn't consider the power factor in calculating the power usage.
as far as i know, the newer tnb digital meter charges you in actual power usage by calculating the power factor while the older analog meter only calculate VA rating.
to improve the efficiency, we could bypass the led driver like what you did and run them purely on DC using a high efficiency SMPS power supply. that should pump the conversion efficiency to over 80%. downside is there's no current limit and we're limiting the light output that we could extract from the led using this method.

or replace the led driver with better drivers from mean well. they have some pretty high quality drivers which is rated for upwards of 80% efficiency. from experience working with their SMPS, their products are pretty high quality rivalling those expensive unit. and their rated spec is pretty much spot on without any bloated artificial number.
i've opened quite a number of (expensive) equipment and not surprised to see the power supply from mean well in them. downside is that the choices is pretty limited. there's no peculiar current limit like 600mA, 125mA, 480mA and the such.
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Not really, the TNB newer digital meter run faster by 25% compare to old school meter.
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post Jul 15 2014, 03:29 AM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Jul 14 2014, 10:31 PM)
where did you get that info from? if the meter runs properly the reading will be (+-) the same.
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Off everything and only run air cond or washing machine, taking efficiency at 75%.
If the equipment to be test is 1000W(per hour), running it for 1 hour should be using less than 1 unit. But it moves 1 unit before 1 hour.
Not to mention people that complaint on this. Come out in most chinese paper every now and then.
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post Jul 15 2014, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Jul 15 2014, 10:01 AM)
just by beeing in the newspaper doesnt make it true - more likely previous meter was undercounting.

your test also doesnt work that well if you dont ensure 100% load. if there would be an overcount of 25% surely you can a) get a new meter, b) get a refund from tnb. there is a margin of error in those things but it will be more like +- 1 or 2% - not 25%.
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Yup, you are right on this. Since Chinese are just by comers in Malaysia. What we says carry no weight.
Just tell me, setting 16'C is full load or not? Or even it is not, it will work harder on initial.
And the rated power on the spec is just a short burst, typical power are the right measurement and it won't go to rated power most of the time. So the actual load are even lower.
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post Jul 17 2014, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Jul 15 2014, 11:03 PM)
seriously dude, let's not add to the race bigotry. it's bad enough the segregation that we're all so accustomed to.
whatever race you might be, whatever colour of your skin, holds no correlation to the significance of information, and/or truth.

actual power measurement is quite complicated. but if you had any credible proof that the digital meter is overcharging consumers, by all mean sue TNB, report to the consumer tribunal, report to suruhanjaya tenaga, and/or report to KETTHA. if it's too much of a hassle, pass the info to a consumer association and let them proceed with it.

the simplest way to actually measure whether tnb is overcharging is to turn off all the circuit breakers at the fuse box, and use a kill-a-watt meter that could measure the energy used (in relation to time) and check the consumption for a single high power item and validate that to the meter reading.
but even that is still not bulletproof, since the kill-a-watt isn't exactly a precision instrument and it's not calibrated.

to actually be credible enough for a solid proof, you need at least one of these:
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problem is, it's freaking expensive. a used unit is still going for ~RM5k.
i'm trying to get my hands on one since my mum's house is experiencing some huge voltage sag, causing the power bill to shoot sky high. reported the matter 4 times to tnb this year. without any further action.
it's full load. but power rating will always be different compared to the manufacturer specs printed on the label. usually it'll be within 10%, but it's not unusual for the power usage to within 10%-25% offset compared to the label. thus the reason to carry out actual measurement, rather than relying on the label and extrapolating from it.
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Well, I like when some jerks like to deny something without doing more research. Tell you what, the English and Malay papers never have a news stating people are complaining about once the meter changed, their bill raise up buy 100-300%. Only Chinese papers has.
So instead of looking at the "rated" spec, I will dig more on typical rated spec at full or low load which is ~50% from it.

QUOTE(K for Ketamine @ Jul 16 2014, 02:07 AM)
tnb meter
analog vs digital

positive
when the bill is lower, this new digital so accurate, all the while the analog i spent XXXX, with digital my bill only XXX. i had been paying all my life, lucky switch to digital.

negative
when the bill is higher, this new digital is bloody sucker, last time i paid only XXX, but this stupid digital my bill now XXXX. i'm stuck for life, tnb cheating me don't allowed my go back analog.

moral of story no one like to pay higher bill charges. imo newspaper nvr explain another side of story.

we don't have much option, either stuck with grid or off the grid (solar,wind,genset)
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Analog meters are using mechanical parts, so wear and tear is there. Still it won't cause a huge spike when changing to new meter. Have to know that, no third party independent party to calibrate those digital meters and it is open secret that TNB asked their contractors to make it run faster than normal.
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post Jul 18 2014, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Jul 18 2014, 10:31 AM)
things is improving dear friend. look at how the community is condemning the malay tudung lady for her racial remarks against the old chinese uncle. she's bashed left and right from the entire community, even muslims alike.

racial tension, racial hatred, racial prejudice is pretty much reduced after the few past elections. even some big issue like the whole JAIS/MAIS raid on the bible association, the usage of 'Allah' by other religions, all of those issue can't stop people from coming together. muslims are now adopting a more moderate stance. which is rarely seen during the reign of you know who.

it might take a while more. but things is definitely improving.
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That lady deserves a bash from all. If the accident are not serious and repair work > rm300, just lodge a police report, case close.
No need to use object to hit others.

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post Jul 18 2014, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Jul 18 2014, 05:17 PM)
she should be put in jail on the charge of aggression using a weapon. the way she hit the car using the steering lock shows her intention to use the weapon to assault and hurt others.

that kind of people should be put in jail.
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Well, she think she was the princess. Thanks to the Malaysian education.
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post Jul 18 2014, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Jul 18 2014, 05:42 PM)
i am not dignifying the race card game - this is a fav malaysian pasttime and serves no purpose besides dividing ethnical groups so that incompetent and possible c*** politicians can ab*** power. if you play their game, good for them bad for the country.

first of and again for the record. just because something is printed it doesnt become true (thank god). if i think of all the *** published in "newspapers" like berita hariam i am really thankfull for that.

second: if what you say were true then you can easily and successfully sue TNB for meter tempering which is a crime. since its on a large scale its more serious. demand a couple of millions compensation for kicks.

third: measuring power consumption through a meter can be verified. get your meter tested in a lab if you feel like it.

i am sure you will be able to get a credible finding with a definite answer. your tests just dont hold up to a test environment - sorry.
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first, everything printed in papers may not be true, but that will be more on political issue. On this, Chinese papers are more fair in some sense.
second, nobody can verify as no third party independent tester can be approved by government.
thirdly, I can use a FLIR camera to measure by comparing temperature between 2 meters. By cut off every electrical appliance and take temperature, the digital meter's incoming wire will still be warmer compare to analog type.

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