Oh forgot to read your reply. Sorry bout tht. Yes you also in league with unkwon warrior in your view. Not wrong but I cannot help myself but smile..

Indeed I too will smile as in that your viewing it as right and wrong ... just so lawful as depicted.

Oh, btw how am I in league with his view?

Actually im not viewing the laws of the 10 commandments as right or wrong.. those are undisputable laws no question.. but im viewing our views actually, our understanding of God thoughts that is what im viewing. You agree with Unknown warrior is it? Then you are in league with him.

Wah, you are not sure of whether my statements are the same with him ... yet you are making a claim?

I am referring to the views on how you evaluate each and everyone's views. Whether it is right or wrong ... you are trying to put either of us in either the "yes" camp or the "no" camp on whether "we must not look women with lust".

What if I say that it is not a matter of either "can" or "cannot", then how?

This post has been edited by pehkay: Jul 31 2014, 12:35 PM

thanks for the trust. It's an honour. I believe unknown_warrior has highlighted about respect woman, it should be more than enough but allow me to share what HE wants me to write.

Does Matthew 5:28 is condemning you... or helping you not to sin ? let's not answer that question directly.

Men are born with weaknesses and strength. some men more resistant to sexual temptation while some men are simply not.

Testosterone, Cortisol, Estradisol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormones_and_...rousal#Hormones
humans needs those hormones but too much of hormones has negative impacts. Your sexual appetite becomes unmanageable (aka lustful).

The strong one rules over the weaks one. If testosterone try to take control of your body, tell your body to resist the temptation. This work for ... very few people who is naturally more resistant to sexual temptation.

then how about for those who are not so resistant ? supernatural. that's only choice. Ask Jesus to intervene directly to your natural live and guide you not day by day... but seconds by seconds... events by events...

Jesus knows, and Jesus is not stupid. He knows that sexual temptation gravity is increasing in these days compared to ... let's say 100 years ago... therefore HE knows that more people will fail... or shall I say more people will learn to use supernatural power... or shall I say more people will understand the importance of GOD's voice in their live and the impact to maximize life in Christ.

This is one of the reason i told somebody that if you cannot hear God's voice, you cannot be maximal in your life.

I have a case, but i cannot disclose the actual time and person and place, so i adjust accordingly but the value stays:

I have a privileges to help Mr. A, who is a sex addicted person. GOD's told me something very unusual as to help Mr A. I told Mr A that to be set free, instead of running from temptation, he has to face the temptation as per GOD instruction. GOD instruction for Mr A is not to run from temptation, but to face the goliath. Two different things rite ?

Initially, Mr A shared with me that he was fasting and praying, and avoid temptation and it seems to be no significant progress. testosterone is still there and every girl in sunway / midvalley is wearing short pants and sometimes tank tops with visible / invisible bra! ... Mr A try not to go to mall or public place, in addition to swimming pool... as he try to gouge out his eyes as of Matthew 5:29 standard ... but in reality... this is year 2014 frenzz....

Then i told him let me ask GOD probably i have some answers. So the answers is below:

Mr A has to spend time, on purpose, with females outside from church. Female friends who are attractive and sometimes wear sexy skirts. He just have to spend more time with opposite sex. He has to stay in sunway pyramid and looks those pretty girls... do all of them, until he feels not aroused anymore.

Wow... isn't it the bible say in avoid temptation ? Yes, but JESUS is the law. Those sexual temptation are Mr A goliath, so as to speak, he must kill his goliath... but using GOD's instruction not Mr A understanding.

So i told Mr A what i hear from Jesus and he did it. Amazingly, now the feelings gone, except little2x bit. Now the "little2x bit" he has to manage per what bible say. Avoid temptation.

The processes is not simple at all. Early days Mr A always said he has a lot of memory of those pretty girl and their smile and voice always carried till he dreams them. But in the morning he knows it is wrong and quickly come to grace of GOD for purification... day by day it's improving then a week he completely failed even worse than his early days... then I told him this is a basic devil trick to demoralize you, because day by day you are getting better and you assume tomorrow will be better than yesterday. Positive thinking is good but JESUS is in control. Positive thinking is not GOD, Jesus is GOD. Positive thinking can steal your relationship with GOD.

There are plenty details that i don't have space and time to type...

The process takes about 5 years for Mr A.

During the first 5 years, i can confirm that Mr A is always lustful to women.
During the first 5 years, i told Mr A that do not look at Matthew 5:28. It will condemn you, not helping you.
During the first 5 years, JESUS pretty much does not bother if he breaks Matthew 5:28 standard. Sure JESUS knows, he will break it every time.

After 5 years, Mr A is set free. No more struggle to see women and can manage not to lust to other woman.
After 5 years, i told Mr A that Matthew 5:28 is a benchmark, Matthew 5:28 is not condemning him, but serves as alarm.
After 5 years, it's not JESUS that put the standard higher for him. Mr A simply say he is free. Mr A declares with Christ, he can fullfil Matthew 5:28. Now this is the true work of salvation, and Grace of God demonstrated.



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Now Matthew 5:28 is condemning you... or helping you not to sin ? only JESUS is the law and only JESUS can help you pass through your temptation and problems... GOD's way, not your thinking, nor your understanding.

Wowwwwwwwwwww hebattttt !!!

timely accurate... much appreciated

you mean it shouldn't be questioned because Jesus said it? ok, thats fair. you are not wrong, and Unknown Warrior also not wrong. but there is something not right with the verse itself...

obviously if we follow that train of thought then men will find themselves in a very big disadvantage over women when it comes to salvation because men is naturally equiped with the ability to lust just by looking at sexy woman alone. the path of salvation for men is narrower than women because they have to endure and suffer a lot to suppress their lust and because of this heaven must be filled with majority women then, which is very unbiblical. nothing in bible says so...

basically you say strong sexual appetite is wrong, and we need to suppress it by God help.

but God did not condemn King Solomon for his 700 wives and concubines, and he even created songs about sex in the bible after all... his fall from grace was for marrying unbelievers who led him away from God and not because of his sexual addiction.

Sorry Sonido, not a good answers i got from HIM, but i would like to help you but who am i correct ? even i do not know ur background. Here what i got from HIM, sorry for all inconvenience caused:

1. You are genuine but it's not enough. Your understanding is similar to somebody thinks earth is flat because sun is rising from east to west. It was correct in the past but not today.

2. Jesus is the law. He allowed solomon does not mean he allows you. I mean c'mon GOD is GOD rite ? HE can do whatever he pleases... divine is divine, divine reasons also is divine reasons...

3. You have to un-learn everything about Christianity and start from 0. In simple, if you mind telling you something, it's tipu2x yourself lah...

If i have more revelation about you i will share, but so far this one only i have.

its ok. no need to doubt me. i know myself and i now believe God knows me. i'm not trying to lead you or anyone astray, i'm honestly just want for Christians to build their foundation on a strong earth, not sand. didn't you say you like to argue with the unbelievers? how are going to answer them and how are you going to stand on your faith if they come up with such strong arguments?

hi..hi..hi... you are genuine.

about like to argue with the unbelievers, are you referring to this post ?
kindly confirm and i will explain next post...

If I am not authorized to argue with unbeliever, i will not argue. despite like to argue, i will restrain myself not to argue. I need Authorization from Jesus Christ to argue.
How to answer the unbeliever ? no authorization no answers... but for the sake of politeness i probably say... wow u so smart lahhhh... i believe you will be success cuz u so smart... i never heard somebody as smart as u lah.... sure u read a lot of things... i wish i have money / degree / car / home like u ... i wanna be success lah like u...

What i got from Jesus is this: a strong earth is not something like what you think. Kindly discuss with HIM for more details. HE wants you to have more knowledge on this particular word. Dunno why... HE didn't disclose.

no. even if you do not answer them, you are still subjected to their questions by just reading their views. and when you read and have no answer in your heart, then you begin to wonder whether your faith is trully justified. many strong christians have fallen this way.

now, i give you a hint to my question.

lets look at the story of David and Batsheba. That is the perfect example to what Jesus trully meant in Matthew 5:28.

We must not forget the Bible translation from language to language particularly from Hebrew to Greek to English can be lost or not translated properly in the past. this we must accept.

the woman is not all women, in Matthew 5:28. the woman Jesus meant is a woman that is in relation to someone else. in other words, MARRIED WOMAN.

if men cannot lust women, then men might as well not get married. lust is a gift from God. just as anger or anything we falsely think as negative and must be suppresed. that is not what God intend us to do.

NEEDING TO WALK ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT IN ORDER TO LIVE CHRIST

We have seen the matter of living Christ (Phil. 1:21; Gal. 2:20). Romans 8:4 shows that we need to walk according to the spirit, which is the practical way to live Christ. We are often distracted from walking according to the spirit. We may be distracted even by apparently positive things, such as preaching the gospel. We need to pay our full attention to walking according to the spirit in order to live Christ.

The church fathers taught much about the person of Christ, but most neglected to live Christ. The more they taught about Christ, the more they were divided and fought one another because of different interpretations and doctrines. Christians have emphasized various kinds of works and teachings throughout the past nineteen centuries, but few have lived Christ.

When we face serious problems, we often pray desperately to seek the Lord's leading. Before we give a message, it is easy to pray. However, walking according to the spirit is different from praying in difficult situations or before spiritual activities. To walk according to the spirit is to do everything in our daily life according to the spirit. We need to walk according to the spirit moment by moment, not only in big things but also in small things, such as writing a letter or talking with our family at the dinner table. If we cannot do or say something according to the spirit, we should not do or say it. We must admit that we are short of such a living. To pray only during the meetings or when we face a great problem is not to walk according to the spirit. Our walking according to the spirit in our daily living should be like our breathing. If we do not live Christ or walk according to the spirit, our spiritual activities may be a performance. We should not act one way in the meetings and another way in our daily life.

WALKING EITHER ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT OR ACCORDING TO THE FLESH

When we are not walking according to the spirit in our daily life, we are walking according to the flesh. According to Romans 8:4-9, anything that is not according to the spirit is according to the flesh. There are only two sources and two conditions of our living—the spirit and the flesh. Outward behavior, such as whether we are loving or hating others or praising or criticizing others, does not determine whether we are living according to the spirit or the flesh. Even our love is according to the flesh if it is not according to the spirit. We may rarely speak negatively, but even our positive speech that is not according to the spirit is still according to the flesh.

Perhaps it is difficult to know the spirit, but it is easy to know what is not the spirit. For instance, we know when our speaking is not according to the spirit, even when it is positive. In order to be able to live according to the spirit, it is sufficient for us to know when our speech and actions are not according to the spirit. However, we do not practice such a life. During the meetings we may conduct ourselves according to the spirit, but after the meetings we often feel free to speak and do things according to the flesh. It is not sufficient merely to live morally or ethically or even to decide what to do based on the Spirit’s leading, for we may be led by the Spirit to do something but then do it according to the flesh. We need to do everything according to the spirit, thinking, speaking, and acting moment by moment according to the spirit.

G Morning sonido, allow me to share what i got from JESUS this morning:

Beware of devil traps called identity attack and curse.

If unbeliever say something (e.g. bible say creation is 6 days but dinosour exist 1 million years ago therefore bible not acurate lahhh.... ) there is always a curse behind any single word that comes from their mouth, cuz they are unbelievers. regardless genuine or not. The effect of the curse: your faith diminished... Just remember, when your faith diminished, sure it's a curse...

Therefore you need to do simultaneously 2 things: break the curse and declare your identity.

Break the curse and declare your identify are deep topics. Let me know if you don't understand what i mean.

This is good. Congratulations ! ...

different person needs different revelations and agreed.

I can copy-paste yours (if you don't mind) and use it as tools to convince others. What i try to say, I have collections of knowledge and i will ask Jesus next time which wisdom i have to use for different case.

Pls do.. im glad we can help each other. Though i may add the true purpose of God is for us to be loyal to our partner(if we have). With this knowledge we can rest assured our faith will not be shaken by such petty matter. God will install us the gift of self control.

ok noted

do u all know that Jew is actually not a race but religion?

I know some info, not detail. I went to israel last year, attend a synagoge and tour leader explain about religion called called jew, messianic jew, christian.

Specifically, Jew is an ethnic group of people whose members are also unified by a common religious background. Their religion is Judaism.