Unknown Warrior. 95% of the people knows that Jesus was angry.

You are just misreading passages to suit your own perception.

Change in what way? For example?
This is not RWI.

What is the point you being angry about it?

Is that going to change anything?

Well, yes it is.

I have a more agreesive attitude. But then I do accept when my mistakes are pointed out.

Maybe I am a little more competitive in nature. But then indirectly saying that I have mental issues shows what kind of spirit you have.

What's RWI?

Oh. In RWI, this is the kind of replies that people give.

Are you going to call them stress up?

As Christians, should we be less sensitive about errors?

Yes it is tough. But it can't escape from the problems. If the church has an underlying issue, are you to just ignore and go on by normal business? I ask you, if you are a member of a certain church in neighbor country, that everyday people come out to the pulpit, one say he save up money to buy a motorbike to go to work but instead when he heard a pastor say that the church needed money, he send the money to the church. Then another man came up and say he and his wife save up money to buy an apartment but when the church called for more funds, they donated the whole money for the cause. Next thing you know, the church leadership is hauled up by the government for "breach of trust" because the money was used to fund somebody's musical career believing that it is for the best of the congregation as it can promote christianity.

Are you to keep quiet and forgive and submit?

I just dunno lah, this is a very difficult thing to do. The bitterness from unforgiveness, I can assure you is the biggest and most toughest sin to overcome for a christian. But its also a catch 22, are you not to speak up when you see something not right happening?

Sometimes when i see churches develop super pride until they abuse their own members, its not so bad like atrocities or physical hurt, but when they say things that cut you in half or when they obstracize people, you really think that if bad things happen to us christians, maybe its for the best. Maybe God is teaching us humility and put aside our differences to unite as the Body of Christ.

I see nowadays we discuss about issues that hit us, why are NGOs criticising us? why are christians becoming the subject of anger by certain bodies? why this and that? But I say, sometime these things are coming back to us to teach us the gist of humility. Because we been our comfort zone for far too long, until we become proud with pride and ego that we speak hurtful things to our own brothers and sisters. Maybe for this reason, we need to be hit from our high pedestal and reflect upon ourselves to go back to our roots - being last to be first and having kindness and love for one another.

Yes it is tough. But it can't escape from the problems. If the church has an underlying issue, are you to just ignore and go on by normal business? I ask you, if you are a member of a certain church in neighbor country, that everyday people come out to the pulpit, one say he save up money to buy a motorbike to go to work but instead when he heard a pastor say that the church needed money, he send the money to the church. Then another man came up and say he and his wife save up money to buy an apartment but when the church called for more funds, they donated the whole money for the cause. Next thing you know, the church leadership is hauled up by the government for "breach of trust" because the money was used to fund somebody's musical career believing that it is for the best of the congregation as it can promote christianity.

Are you to keep quiet and forgive and submit?

I used to be a treasurer at church.

I can tell you, the controls there are really bad.

There is no higher authority to sign the payment vouchers. Ministries all get easy disbursements just like that.

But I don't blame the church, they are not finance people so they never think of these things.

I have raised these before, but again I kena shot down for questioning authority.

Of course. Didn't you see me write, "us". That means you, me the church. Keep the wrong of others? Sorry to disappoint you, I am not so great, I don't have any authority to keep record of people's wrongdoing.

You think I want bad things to happen to the churches is it? But its already happening. Why got raids and all this.

You got my whole meaning wrong.

Obviously we are no where as bad as Iraq where christians are getting slaughtered and fled. But these small happenings to us is a gentle reminder for us all to reflect upon ourselves, how we treat other people. Recently my church got raided, its really a humbling experience for me to get down from the pedestal. But for the rest, I leave it to them, if they continue to behave like that, these happenings serves as a reminder that we are not above God.

Yeah.

But my other friends wasn't so lucky. He was chosen to be part of the committee to assess the feasibility of building a new church in a vacant land. The whole committee comprise of the church leader people. My friend assess the cost too high and burdensome so he objected. But the rest committee approved it. My friend moved to another church. Now this church is struggling with huge building cost.

... we are going to bear the sins of the world for Jesus.

takut apa? Thats why I am so unpopular at church because I spoke out

Also after that I notice I am not asked to help out in ministry anymore.

Unless I participate in those mainstream ones.

takut apa? Thats why I am so unpopular at church because I spoke out

Also after that I notice I am not asked to help out in ministry anymore.

Unless I participate in those mainstream ones.

1 Peter 2:21
For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, 22WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH;…

No I haven't been to any other church, thats the thing.

I really have no time to visit.

actually i never really thought of it as God's punishment now that you reminded me.

it is so obvious from the scriptures and you can't even see that?

you think we christians are brought here to earth to live in shang-ri la is it? We are God's people are we are gonna suffer for Jesus. Understand? Doesn't matter what i say, at the end of the day, you, me, unknown warrior and the church, we are going to bear the sins of the world for Jesus.

Zechariah 13:9
This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are my people,' and they will say, 'The LORD is our God.'"

Sometimes i just look at the huge churches, I just shake my head. They got multi-million dollar amphiteatures, music equipment that buy several cars and they even have room with the director inside, to direct the cameras and AV personnel during the worship. Do you not think that we are so darn comfortable?

We really need a wake up call !

I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change

Not the whole church is bad la.

That is why I still attend cg.

Just some cross section.

And i have no beef with the lead pastor. He is ok fella.

Just that I got into loggerheads with the youths.

You mean No, where?

That sentence I put? Ok, typo error. Maybe like Steve Ngai confirm, I just wanted to say we bear the cross for Jesus.

I not get your meaning?

Portion of what?

We are God's people are we are gonna suffer for Jesus. Understand?