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 -+♠+-LYN Proton Persona Owners Club V51-+♠+-, New / Naive members, pls read first post

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post Mar 30 2014, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(avatar125z @ Mar 29 2014, 11:33 PM)
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What is width and offset for persona oem 15" sport rim
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Width is 6.5jj, offset not sure.

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Sifu tarak. All sifus either became farmer or commit suicide liao. ph34r.gif
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Farm apa? brows.gif
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post Mar 31 2014, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(dinnor @ Mar 28 2014, 11:58 AM)
but my SV got knocking sound when left corner, not right corner
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Seems more like CV joint problem? but unlikely also for a new car hmm.gif
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post Mar 31 2014, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Mar 29 2014, 05:39 PM)
No idea, but if you're interested to know, you can get better brake pads like the Bendix Metal King Titanium front brake pads for around RM100 ~ RM130 depending on who you're buying it from, and it is better than the stock pads and much needed for those who have a B-Line / M-Line Persona that has a weaker braking system than a H-Line Persona due to one or more downgraded braking component(s).

Q: Does Standard Line suffer from the same problem? hmm.gif
I assume that for Persona SVs the braking system is pretty much the same with what you get on a H-Line Persona/Elegance.
Semua kereta proton memang sampan handling yawn.gif. Anything but Proton cool2.gif.
It's very slow compared to about one or two years ago hmm.gif.
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I tot Proton handling is the best of its class??? Itu accident, driver's problem, brake problem or tyres problem.

As for braking system, we still don't if SV is using brake pump similar to 1.6 H-Line or 1.3 saga type.
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post Mar 31 2014, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Mar 31 2014, 09:54 AM)
I tot Proton handling is the best of its class??? Itu accident, driver's problem, brake problem or tyres problem.

As for braking system, we still don't if SV is using brake pump similar to 1.6 H-Line or 1.3 saga type.
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cool2.gif Any car with a Proton badge automatically becomes useless in every way. You don't know? icon_question.gif
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post Mar 31 2014, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Mar 31 2014, 10:21 AM)
cool2.gif Any car with a Proton badge automatically becomes useless in every way. You don't know? icon_question.gif
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But I like ini besi buruk punya handling. Better than Citi and Boss and Chimera anytime...the only department in Proton that they can truly be proud of.
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post Mar 31 2014, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Mar 29 2014, 05:39 PM)
No idea, but if you're interested to know, you can get better brake pads like the Bendix Metal King Titanium front brake pads for around RM100 ~ RM130 depending on who you're buying it from, and it is better than the stock pads and much needed for those who have a B-Line / M-Line Persona that has a weaker braking system than a H-Line Persona due to one or more downgraded braking component(s).
Hi sifus,

does Bendix Metal King Titanium brakes produce a lot of dust compared to ceramics or is it just better than stock brake pads?

any specific brand for ceramic brake pad recommended?

the stock brake pads really produces a lot of dust...

Thanks in advance.
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post Mar 31 2014, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(Unknown86 @ Mar 31 2014, 11:08 AM)
Hi sifus,

does Bendix Metal King Titanium brakes produce a lot of dust compared to ceramics or is it just better than stock brake pads?

any specific brand for ceramic brake pad recommended?

the stock brake pads really produces a lot of dust...

Thanks in advance.
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Bendix MKT does have quite a bit of dust.


Off-topic: Lol.. just now go pump petrol also can almost cari masalah doh.gif. At Bandar Utama there's this shell and petron side by side, and people normally go through the petron station to enter Shell if they want to use their BonusLink card and want to sayang their campro wub.gif or go in a circle route to reach there. I reached Petron and waited at the exit/entrance of Petron, definitely not blocking anyone and the road either, this passenger in a black vios drove out from Shell, stared at me for as long as I was in view and kept shaking his hand at me, all the while while his friend was busy exiting from the designated entrance to Shell. doh.gif

I mean come on la seriously, this sort of thing also want to blow out of proportion doh.gif. My DVR could capture the car and the hand gestures but not his face doh.gif.

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Entrance la tew. If you want to act like you're very law abiding and play the rule book shiat, can: sila prove that you have always do the very basic things of driving like signalling (and correctly as well) all of the time, never tao gai before, never tailgate before ke apa

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Plenty of space for people to pass by.. Dunno what's the issue. Maybe he's trying to encourage me to not pump Shell? cool2.gif
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If I "tao gai" and obstruct people ke susahkan people, can, please shoot me(literally or figuratively up to you), but in this case tiada siapa affected pun except for the dude.

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post Mar 31 2014, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Mar 31 2014, 10:31 AM)
But I like ini besi buruk punya handling. Better than Citi and Boss and Chimera anytime...the only department in Proton that they can truly be proud of.
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Abang... You cuba stick Proton badge on your Hona see. The handling will be worst than Kancil...

Ok.. on a more serious note, I don't really know how it compares against most of the other cars. I just know that driving a Persona is very much to my liking. All I need is better tyres because the current one's sidewall softness memang not syiok at all. sleep.gif

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post Mar 31 2014, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(zapdos9 @ Mar 28 2014, 01:37 PM)
Can't hear clearly during rev. Sound macam ada open pod brows.gif
From video seems like IAFM problem but not that severe. Or it could be acc belt. If IAFM problem you should see your FC increase.
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after ear testing, the sound i coming from the IAFM..,,my FC since i bought has been 9.0L/100km.. went to SC 1st time round, but they said it was characteristics of the car. i was like wtf, characteriestics? mad.gif

so i change SC to Penang one instead of the one from kedah, in hopes that they would clarify and do something about it
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QUOTE(RaionShen @ Mar 31 2014, 06:45 PM)
after ear testing, the sound i coming from the IAFM..,,my FC since i bought has been 9.0L/100km.. went to SC 1st time round, but they said it was characteristics of the car. i was like wtf, characteriestics?  mad.gif

so i change SC to Penang one instead of the one from kedah, in hopes that they would clarify and do something about it
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How did you get those FC figures? What is your driving style and the type of traffic condition that you drive in most of the time? 9.0L/100KM seems kinda normal to me especially if you drive short distances / in the city or town a lot, maybe a slightly higher than the average but nothing to be worried about. I'm also suffering from the IAFM noise symptom since quite some time ago, and I don't see any difference to my fuel consumption nor the performance especially in the low rev range, though maybe it's just me being not sensitive enough.
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post Mar 31 2014, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Mar 31 2014, 06:50 PM)
How did you get those FC figures? What is your driving style and the type of traffic condition that you drive in most of the time? 9.0L/100KM seems kinda normal to me especially if you drive short distances / in the city or town a lot, maybe a slightly higher than the average but nothing to be worried about. I'm also suffering from the IAFM noise symptom since quite some time ago, and I don't see any difference to my fuel consumption nor the performance especially in the low rev range, though maybe it's just me being not sensitive enough.
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i drive mostly 10% highway and 90% in town bro...idk about how to see Fc when IAFM giving prob, but one thing i know is got slight soft "tak tak tak" sound coming from it.
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QUOTE(RaionShen @ Mar 31 2014, 06:52 PM)
i drive mostly 10% highway and 90% in town bro...idk about how to see Fc when IAFM giving prob, but one thing i know is got slight soft "tak tak tak" sound coming from it.
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Turn off everything in your car except the engine, then sit and listen quietly. Is there a knocking sound that seems to be coming from the right side of the dashboard? If yes, it's either the vacuum pump or the IAFM module (as I was told). Otherwise if it isn't, it could be the purge (EGR) valve on the left side of the car that is faulty and needs a replacement. I bought my replacement purge valve for between RM100 ~ RM120. I don't remember the exact price. If it's the IAFM module it costs between RM2xx (read this from somewhere, I think it's the first post of the thread) to RM3xx. I was quoted RM3xx for it from a spare parts shop but I didn't buy cause I thought I solved the problem by changing the purge valve until a few days later when the knocking sound became even louder and more noticeable. doh.gif

Anyway, your FC figure with 90% driving done in town seems pretty normal for the Persona. I always get a meter reading of over 10L/100KM if I reset the meter and do my driving mostly in town.

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post Mar 31 2014, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Mar 31 2014, 06:57 PM)
Turn off everything in your car except the engine, then sit and listen quietly. Is there a knocking sound that seems to be coming from the right side of the dashboard? If yes, it's either the vacuum pump or the IAFM module (as I was told). Otherwise if it isn't, it could be the purge (EGR) valve on the left side of the car that is faulty and needs a replacement. I bought my replacement purge valve for between RM100 ~ RM120. I don't remember the exact price. If it's the IAFM module it costs between RM2xx (read this from somewhere, I think it's the first post of the thread) to RM3xx. I was quoted RM3xx for it from a spare parts shop but I didn't buy cause I thought I solved the problem by changing the purge valve until a few days later when the knocking sound became even louder and more noticeable. doh.gif

Anyway, your FC figure with 90% driving done in town seems pretty normal for the Persona. I always get a meter reading of over 10L/100KM if I reset the meter and do my driving mostly in town.
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what i can confirm that, its confirm coming from right hand side. sometimes, as i the rev meter climbing up, the sound of the "tak tak" increases. I'm got my personal fomen to check and he says its fomen.. all i need now is SC to confirm so i can claim since still under warranty. some fellow personians in my hometown says, its not that sever, so no need worry or change. To me, i feel that, its a brand new car that's only 6 months old, and i'm paying monthly, it hurts and annoys when i feel that there is a prob with the car.. *sighs* i will get to know this Friday lo when go send for checkup

BTW, thanks bro for the tips, maybe can ask them check the purge cannister and vacuum pump one time biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(RaionShen @ Mar 31 2014, 07:05 PM)
what i can confirm that, its confirm coming from right hand side. sometimes, as i the rev meter climbing up, the sound of the "tak tak" increases. I'm got my personal fomen to check and he says its fomen.. all i need now is SC to confirm so i can claim since still under warranty. some fellow personians in my hometown says, its not that sever, so no need worry or change. To me, i feel that, its a brand new car that's only 6 months old, and i'm paying monthly, it hurts and annoys when i feel that there is a prob with the car.. *sighs* i will get to know this Friday lo when go send for checkup

BTW, thanks bro for the tips, maybe can ask them check the purge cannister and vacuum pump one time  biggrin.gif
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I see. Push for the warranty claim if so. thumbup.gif If you still cannot claim, maybe try sending a message to Proton on facebook / we care i care ke apa to see if you can get resolved. This is a pretty well known issue (at least to Persona owners, mostly) so I don't see why should you be denied any replacement.
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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Mar 31 2014, 07:13 PM)
I see. Push for the warranty claim if so.  thumbup.gif If you still cannot claim, maybe try sending a message to Proton on facebook / we care i care ke apa to see if you can get resolved. This is a pretty well known issue (at least to Persona owners, mostly) so I don't see why should you be denied any replacement.
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thanks bro. one more, about proton SC. Proton Edar and Proton Eon centres, are they similar? can i claim warranty from either?
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QUOTE(RaionShen @ Mar 31 2014, 07:16 PM)
thanks bro. one more, about proton SC. Proton Edar and Proton Eon centres, are they similar? can i claim warranty from either?
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Hmmm. Not very clear about it, sorry. But I believe as long as it's an authorised service center/ Proton service center it can be done.
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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Mar 31 2014, 07:21 PM)
Hmmm. Not very clear about it, sorry. But I believe as long as it's an authorised service center/ Proton service center it can be done.
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then i guess its ok..coz both also authorised i think

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QUOTE(RaionShen @ Mar 31 2014, 06:45 PM)
after ear testing, the sound i coming from the IAFM..,,my FC since i bought has been 9.0L/100km.. went to SC 1st time round, but they said it was characteristics of the car. i was like wtf, characteriestics?  mad.gif

so i change SC to Penang one instead of the one from kedah, in hopes that they would clarify and do something about it
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It is very hard to pinpoint the sound from the IAFM with it in the engine bay and acoustic reflecting around. Your FC still okay. If mine is already 10-11L brows.gif
To hear whether is it IAFM must from the revving itself but from you vid it doesn't seems so. There are few other noise which could be similar to the IAFM sound and usually ppl mistaken with it with the IAFM break phobia. Other causes probably either the acc belt or the hydraulic lifter itself from using thinner lube. A serious IAFM issue's sound is very prominent and distinctive but from yours not so.

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hope this explain. taken from saga thread. somebody can re-edit for suitable persona perhaps?
QUOTE(davidke20 @ Nov 12 2012, 08:27 AM)
From what I'm looking at, your car does not have an external fuel regulator at the fuel rail, it's an FLX. It is IAFM+, not IAFM. According to some senior member, IAFM+ were made stronger compare to old IAFM module that always picah doh.gif

IAFM rosak render the sound "tub tub tub tub tub" from the right side of the intake manifold, where the PURGE VALVE located.


The same car as above, after repaired the rosaked IAFM, only rendered the similar tepet sound like minor "tak tak tak tak tak" sound on the rocker cover.


A more effective way you can identify is:
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1) If can hear loud tak tak tak tak tak sound, at this point means the exhaust valve lifter bising, go claim warranty
2) If can hear loud tak tak tak tak tak sound, at this point means the intake valve lifter bising, go claim warranty
3) If can hear loud tub tub tub tub tub sound, at this point means the purge valve sudah koyak, go claim warranty

However, for 1 & 2 is insignificant. Replace or not replace does not really helps to eliminate the noise, its just the way how hydraulic valve lifter works. When enough lubricants, no noise. When not enough lubricant, especially cold start, aircon compressor kicks in, these are the time most car will have loud valve lifter noise. If you think your car is loud, try those Honda B16/B18 series engine, also not forget Plotong Pugra & Wigra 1.8 with 4G93 engine, their valve lifter is much louder than most yellow black diesel taxi. doh.gif

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Added on November 12, 2012, 9:42 amP/s: if you use the screwdriver method to troubleshoot, make sure you have not wear any extra accessories such as necklace, necktie, long sleeve. If you're long hair, make sure you tie it up properly. The method itself is safe to use, but those extra accessories become life threatening if screwed up. Besides, you probably don't wanto dirty yourself with those things hanging around touches your engine bay. nod.gif be safe
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this is why we say X1R is a crap.
QUOTE(mengsuan @ Mar 31 2014, 06:56 PM)
Avoid X1R.

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