QUOTE(Smurfs @ Mar 4 2014, 12:15 PM)
Time to buy...M Reits Version 6, Malaysia Real Estate Investment Trust
M Reits Version 6, Malaysia Real Estate Investment Trust
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 3 2014, 09:41 AM) From Warren Buffett... Example of non fluctuating assets laden with risk is real estate new launches in malaysia now.The riskiness of an investment is not measured by beta (a Wall Street term encompassing volatility and often used in measuring risk) but rather by the probability -- the reasoned probability -- of that investment causing its owner a loss of purchasing power over his contemplated holding period. Assets can fluctuate greatly in price and not be risky as long as they are reasonably certain to deliver increased purchasing power over their holding period. And... a nonfluctuating asset can be laden with risk. |
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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 4 2014, 05:09 PM) wah .. now it's RM 1.50. Lost RM 0.10 per share for selling off too early. me too, i sold about 15% of my cmmt that bought at 1.3x at 1.43-1.46. |
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Mar 4 2014, 08:17 PM) im getting very irritated at this stock Sure or not, so high ? Latest 1/2 half of financial yr DPS is just 3.9 cents so if annualized is 7.8 cents and with current price of 90 cents give a DY of 8.66%But EPS only 2.52 cents and thus paying over 150% dividends (3.9/2.52). Where does the shortfall comes from....reserves ? This post has been edited by topearn: Mar 4 2014, 08:32 PM |
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QUOTE(topearn @ Mar 4 2014, 08:29 PM) Sure or not, so high ? Latest 1/2 half of financial yr DPS is just 3.9 cents so if annualized is 7.8 cents and with current price of 90 cents give a DY of 8.66% dont know,so i just look at it.CIMB report say eps is 4.9,and its still at a premium while sunreit is at a discountBut EPS only 2.52 cents and thus paying over 150% dividends (3.9/2.52). Where does the shortfall comes from....reserves ? |
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QUOTE(topearn @ Mar 4 2014, 08:29 PM) Sure or not, so high ? Latest 1/2 half of financial yr DPS is just 3.9 cents so if annualized is 7.8 cents and with current price of 90 cents give a DY of 8.66% Higher dividend due to adjustment on depnBut EPS only 2.52 cents and thus paying over 150% dividends (3.9/2.52). Where does the shortfall comes from....reserves ? |
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Mar 5 2014, 09:11 AM
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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Mar 5 2014, 08:32 AM) From what I understand, it is not depreciation increases cash. Rather, it's like: pay cash first, depreciate later. In some years, earning is higher than cash; in other years, cash is higher than earning. But in the end, it's the same...This post has been edited by river.sand: Mar 5 2014, 09:12 AM |
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If U pay cash out, whether u depreciate or not THAT CASH will not come back into company
A company buy 100k car depreciate at 20%per year, depreciate or not the 100k will never return to company How company get extra 20k to pay dividend? Delay paying outstanding bankloan YES!!!! |
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Mar 5 2014, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Mar 5 2014, 09:19 AM) If U pay cash out, whether u depreciate or not THAT CASH will not come back into company A company buy 100K cash, means 100K gone in the first year, aka cashflow statement straight away reduce 100k.A company buy 100k car depreciate at 20%per year, depreciate or not the 100k will never return to company How company get extra 20k to pay dividend? Delay paying outstanding bankloan YES!!!! But in P&L, due to depreciation of 20%, profit only reduce 20K due to depreciation. 100K will never come back, but your cashflow of next year is profit + 20K depreciation, because you already pay upfront 100K, not 20K per year as next year you do not pay 20K anymore, so depreciation of next year adding in back your cashflow statement. It is accounting issue, the 100K surely has gone, but cashflow statement is profit + depreciation. |
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Mar 5 2014, 03:58 PM
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In term of dividend issue, using depreciation cashflow to pay as dividend is not a good idea, as those depreciation is needed in the future.
For eg. A car estimate to be used 5 years, so at 6th year, the company may need to reinvest again, so cash needed for the future. Sustainable dividend should be always based on EPS, although cashflow of a company is EPS + depreciation - capital expenditure. This post has been edited by cherroy: Mar 5 2014, 04:14 PM |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 5 2014, 03:58 PM) In term of dividend issue, using depreciation cashflow to pay as dividend is not a good idea, as those depreciation is needed in the future. thank you very much! learn something today. For eg. A car estimate to be used 5 years, so at 6th year, the company may need to reinvest again, so cash needed for the future. Sustainable dividend should be always based on EPS, although cashflow of a company is EPS + depreciation - capital expenditure. |
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 5 2014, 03:58 PM) In term of dividend issue, using depreciation cashflow to pay as dividend is not a good idea, as those depreciation is needed in the future. well said For eg. A car estimate to be used 5 years, so at 6th year, the company may need to reinvest again, so cash needed for the future. Sustainable dividend should be always based on EPS, although cashflow of a company is EPS + depreciation - capital expenditure. |
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Mar 5 2014, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 5 2014, 03:58 PM) In term of dividend issue, using depreciation cashflow to pay as dividend is not a good idea, as those depreciation is needed in the future. But REITs are required to pay 90% of distributable income. What is distributable income in the first place? Can a REIT reserves cash for future investment?For eg. A car estimate to be used 5 years, so at 6th year, the company may need to reinvest again, so cash needed for the future. Sustainable dividend should be always based on EPS, although cashflow of a company is EPS + depreciation - capital expenditure. |
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