QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Feb 6 2014, 11:22 AM)
Not doing well? Many reit price has been stablising recently after massive US bond yield drop.
M Reits Version 6, Malaysia Real Estate Investment Trust
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Feb 6 2014, 04:40 PM
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Feb 9 2014, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(koreali @ Feb 8 2014, 08:47 PM) "oh no~" if this is true that buy shares also subject to GST. It is commission brokerage subjected to GST, not share subjected to GST.Does this apply to Nominees account? I hope no~ You buy share value at Rm10,000, GST won't be imposed on RM10,000 but on commission of Rm42 (assume 0.42%) being charged GST 6%, RM2.52. |
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Feb 9 2014, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE(kuekwee @ Feb 9 2014, 03:52 PM) Manager fee is subjected to GST, means if reit NAV is RM500 million, and reit manager charges 1% of annual management fee, means RM5 million of the fee is subjected to GST 6%, aka Rm30k. It is not tax on reit value, but any form of service charges are subjected to GST, (except those listed as exempted) So if the manager fee is 1%, after charging GST, it become 1.06%. Just like you go to restaurant, the price of menu stated RM50, but when you pay the bill time, the bill is RM53 (after 6% tax) Just like brokerage commission being charged GST. Commission of UT agent being charged GST Electricity tariff being charged GST. Basically, any commission, consultation fee on service provided is subjected to GST, unless stated otherwise as exempted. But reit can use the GST charges to claim as input credit of GST, that for supply rental. The GST is really covering vast area. This post has been edited by cherroy: Feb 9 2014, 05:30 PM |
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Feb 11 2014, 09:22 PM
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At the moment, 2 factors that can influence BNM to raise rate.
1. Strong GDP, with high inflation rate. But if weak GDP, then BNM may think twice, even though inflation is at high side. As long as the inflation is not running away like 4-5%, the chance of BNM to raise rate is remote if GDP at or below 4%. I expect GDP number at around mid 4.x%. 5% is a bit challenging, but do not rule out 5%, as there may be some stocking issue at the year end or early next year, prior before GST being implemented at 1 April 2015. As at the moment many items that not subjected to sales tax, will incur GST when it being implemented, so those items highly will be more expensive after GST, that may prompt to stocking rush. 2. Rapid depreciation of RM. As long as RM depreciation is orderly trend, there is no pressure for BNM to raise rate. At the moment, the depreciation against USD is at tandem with worldwide currency movement, not RM alone issue. While RM against AUD, Yen, there is no depreciation issue. Unless RM-USD cross 3.50~3.60, I do not see there is a need to raise rate just to counter the RM sliding trend against USD. Another point is that, current account still at surplus situation, foreign currency reserves still remains at around >USD130 billion, Those countries that urgently need to hike rate one, generally have low foreign currency reserves and fast outflow of money that draining the foreign currency reserves, whereby there is a need to hike rate to reverse the money outflow. I do not expect to see OPR more than 3.5% until after GST implemented. GST may a "big event" and unknown and hard to predict factor for the economy next year, so BNM may also think this factor ahead in deciding the interest rate situation. |
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Feb 15 2014, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Feb 15 2014, 01:19 PM) This will cause lesser DPU in future ? Any investment won't cause profit to drop off suddenly one.Investment of 1b, believe 50% will be on loan and the other half from profit ? there goes our DPU. Since reit generally doesn't have much cash in hand (due to at least 90% realised profit being channeled to distribution), so generally any new investment will be made through loan, or new unit issuance (depended on the reit manager). So new investment may means more leverage/borrowing needed, or more unit may need to issue to fund the new investment. New unit issuance may dilute the realised EPS, but if the new investment can contribute more profit to the reit, it can nullify the dilution effect. Reit is required to pay at least 90% of its profit as distribution to get the tax exempted status. So reit cannot say draw half of profit to purchase new property, and only left half for distribution. So as long as the realised profit (EPS) is not affected, then distribution won't be affected. |
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Feb 18 2014, 09:47 PM
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Qcapital is getting interesting, net yield approaching 7%.
I no study yet about the new proposal of MRCB injection of Sentral properties, anyone has some insight about the property? |
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Feb 20 2014, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE(CP88 @ Feb 19 2014, 10:40 PM) There is possibility, but from the proposal, part of acquisition cost is funded by new unit issuance at RM1.32 already.So the rest, may come from 1. Borrowing, which increase the gearing ratio 2. Private placement 3. RI from shareholders. This year or until next year should be sales carnival for reit. Qcap at net yield 7% is quite interesting already, back to old day 8%? 8~9% consistently for reit investors should be good enough, at least have real positive interest rate, aka invest in reit can offset the inflation rate. This is suppose why we want to invest in reit. This post has been edited by cherroy: Feb 20 2014, 08:36 AM |
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Feb 20 2014, 10:01 AM
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Feb 20 2014, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Feb 20 2014, 10:50 AM) why my newspaper and your so different..I didnt see such news. Summarise, it means money is outflowing, it is not a secret that foreign funds are the net seller of equities, bonds from emerging market, including Malaysia.By the way... I saw this news.. What u can interpret/understand that will implication to Mreits... Sorry, Im juz Economic Dummies/Idiots. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « BNM foreign reserves dropping despite with trade surplus, also an indicator of outflow of money/fund. |
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Feb 20 2014, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 20 2014, 11:02 AM) Tapering will cause yield to go up... Before the tapering taking place, (when market anticipate time), 10 years T yield 3.00%.yield goes up, treasury becomes more cheaper.. china is selling otherwise they lose money on the treasury products.. After second round of tapering known, 2.7%. |
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Feb 20 2014, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Feb 20 2014, 11:26 AM) hi cherroy, Yes, if inflation expectation is too high, BNM may have no choice to raise rate.I did recall you mention the BNM OPR will raise if the inflation upside. is this the sign you mentioning. Inside the report also mention the OPR may raise 2h2014 Comparing FD rate and Inflation rate, they move corelation. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « But at the moment, the inflation rate is high, it may not as bad and prolonged, as many price rising may due to one off factor like due to subsidy cut, one off electricity tariff hike etc. Those are push cost factor, whereby even with raising interest, it won't able to tame those kind of inflation, eg. even you hike interest rate to 10%, electricity tariff is not going to change as well. The electricity is one of cost of the product, so cost of product going up due to electricity tariff hike. Cost going up, manufacturer need to pass the cost to consumer by hiking price, if not, they may need to close shop. Interest rate hike will be effective, if the inflation is due demand pull, whereby too much demand from consumer, resulted manufacturer not able to cope, hence has the chance to raise price. Raising rate can reduce the demand of it, hence price rising pressure is reduced. As much as I hope interest rate being hiked (as we have real negative interest rate (interest rate less than inflation rate) at the moment, whereby saver is punished due to inflation), I understand the constraint of BNM to hike rate, as hiking rate may kill many business as well, besides killing inflation. So if economy growth is not good, it is hard for BNM to hike rate, unless inflation rate really too high that causing loss of confidence, or overly inflation expectation. |
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Feb 20 2014, 02:54 PM
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Feb 20 2014, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 20 2014, 02:55 PM) I know a reit scalper.. everyday scalp 1-2 cents.. in one month can be big money also. He only trade REITs...if it goes down he keep for dividend. I have this mindset or strategy a decade plus ago.But must use 0.1% min RM 10 accpount and scalp each time 50k and above. I can tell it doesn't work well based on experience. Going up, already sold, no more stock in hand. Even shoot to the roof, merely earn a few cents. Eg. Axreit if bought at 1.00, going up 1.05, sold, but after 3-4 years later, 2.xx. While going down, always keep, in the end of day, whole hand a bunch of losing money stocks... |
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Feb 20 2014, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 20 2014, 03:01 PM) So, now with REIT sliding.. must have the guts and go against EMOTION to collect. This is what one needs to come across, if wish for bottom fishing.Coz with all the noise out there.. fear this and that. will start selling.. then when shoot up year end.. regret pulak. After going through the ups and downs of many years, Its still not easy... to go against the NOISE and the FEAR. Situation is very identical when I bought Axreit at 1.00 time, initially started buying at Rm1.6x, then continue to slide down to Rm1.00. Need some courage to buy at 1.00, and Q at 0.99 (the Q didn't materialise), keep on reading the financial report of it, see whether distribution is sustain or not, how long the lease is etc to justify the buying. There is always some "fear" need to overcome when bottom fishing, as you don't know you are fishing or being fished at that stage. Only time will tell. |
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Feb 20 2014, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 20 2014, 03:02 PM) Well he does it well.. he optimise the difference between the buy and sell queue usually 1 cent difference. Yes, some may very good in it.His record is very good, earning 4 figure sums every month. But of course this strategy might not be replicated by others. I think he is the only one i know who specialize in scalping reits... Here is his website. But I reckon for ordinary folks like me, surely ended a bunch of losing stocks stuck in my portfolio again. Did it, experienced it. So not again, thanks. Don't want sweating, and already getting older, just give me 8% will do. |
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Feb 20 2014, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Feb 20 2014, 04:54 PM) FF dumping, not a big fear.The more fear is local fund dumping. FF always come and go type. But local fund is here to stay long long time. Those stocks with high FF position always up and down in big way. Come in time, surge like no tomorrow. Dump time, drop like no bottom. Their movement are more aggressive generally |
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Feb 20 2014, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Feb 20 2014, 05:25 PM) HI CHERROY, For me,You way, not wrong...only require patient and holding power. If intention to sell within less than 1 year hard making any profit, may need time. the primary intention to invest in reit, is for passive income, aka already has intention to hold on long term and looking on its yield. I treat reit more like bond instead equities. |
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Feb 20 2014, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 20 2014, 05:38 PM) But...but...IF we had the option to invest our retirement savings in a decent equity fund, our long-term annualised returns easily >10%. EPF punya 6% tu apa? To be fair,It is different league. As EPF contributor, EPF, capital intact, no scare about losing capital UT, losing capital is a possibility. Many invested in China related fund back 4-5 years ago, overseas properties funds, resources fund now still nursing 30~40% loss, no dividend or whatsoever. Look at those UT NAV, many still "underwater". Last time, when EPF start to relax about using EPF money to invest in UT, many very eager to do so, but nowadays seems like quiet a lot. Yes, UT double digit gain pa is not something a surprise, but it is mixed bag out there, some good, some not so good. Somemore, there is no capital protection at all as compared to EPF. Also EPF is a huge fund to start with, it is not easy for a huge fund to achieve double digit return, while still need to take care about capital. A 100 million fund want to achieve 20% is way easy than a 100 billion fund want to achieve 10%. 6.x% with needless to worry about losing capital, is deemed reasonable, at least better than CPF. The more important is getting some rate that is net positive after deducting the inflation (at least for official figure although it may not reflect truely or exactly what is happening out there, which OT already). |
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Feb 21 2014, 08:39 AM) Higher revenue is because YTLREIT bought its Australian properties in Nov 2012, and they started to contribute last year. The worry is despite injection of Australia hotels that resulted in revenue increase, profit doesn't increase as the same pace with revenue. But as you know, it is issuing more shares to lower its debt level... This post has been edited by cherroy: Feb 21 2014, 09:28 AM |
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