Don't try to twist and turn with my comment. The Lavina 1.6 doesn't have VVT therefore it returns poor FC. Aren't you forgetting that you infected the local journalists back then? Because of that, they still have to stick to fake report in their article today. AW, Paultan & CBT are nothing more than thrash, today, they would be more careful and stick to facts hoping that people will forget what they said back then.

That Forte EX so cheap, I only took short term loan. It's confirmed reliable and durable despite not much attention paid to it, still good as new. The ultra reliable engine blue taxi in Sonata NF already proven trouble free. The Sylphy & Cefiro are proven to be junk that are not so practical compared to Sonata NF.

Still bragging of bringing in new Altima and US Sentra? Lol!! Your Japanese principal don't even want to give you the plant as you ruined things up with earlier models until almost drag them down. If you want to sell new Altima, wait until Nissan setup plant in Thailand. As for US Sentra, why haven't you brought in to sell yet? The new Altis 2014 already here before you? Is it because you don't get to maximize max profit if you take CBU from Thailand?

Record in AW shows you and your earlier username Popcorn used NAZAK first and then changed to NASA.

Forte RV still ok, it has stronger RV than N-brand now based on actual price paid by customers. Check trade in RV at Toyota, the used car dealer gave better value to Forte than Latio from same year. Forte 2.0L RV still ok compared to Sylphy. Sylphy is now "Cold Door" car together with Latio labelled by used car dealers that are difficult to sell with poor demand. Even your sales has been all time low.

I think you could take Elantra's RV to get rough estimate on Cerato's predicted RV as the 2 are based on same platform. Elantra is currently Korean model with strongest RV that is getting closer to Toyota and Honda. Anyone managed to get test drive on the new Altis? I've just checked the Altis and here's my verdict without test drive.

Exterior design is acceptable, looks more European taste. I prefer US Altis that resembles Forte front. Roofline is made aerodynamic, size has increased much to Elantra/Cerato size dwarfing the Civic that seems out of the league. At least Toyota's feeling the pinch of Koreans invasion and decided to come up with something equivalent. Interior wise, the Altis legroom and headroom are good but interior width lost to Cerato. My head is leaning on the C-pillar. The dash looks like retro conti design, at least they put up some quality material there. The seats are thin look cheap a bit and doesn't suit the new Altis look. Splitfold doesn't really come down flat with smaller opening access to boot. For the first time, Toyota is generous to give thick pillars and doors for extra safety.

Dimension LxWxH
Cerato : 4560 x 1780 x 1445
2.0L dual VVT
output 161ps@6500rpm
torque 194Nm@4800rpm
kerb wei

Altis : 4620 x 1776 x 1460
2.0V dual VVT
output 145ps@6200rpm
torque 187Nm@3600rpm
kerb weight 1300kg/1295kg

1.8L dual VVT
139ps@6400rpm
173Nm@4000rpm
kerb weight 1270kg

Elantra : 4530 x 1775 x 1445
1.8L dual VVT
output 150ps@6500rpm
torque 178Nm@4700rpm
kerb weight 1269kg

Since Cerato has 2.0L while Elantra has 1.8L, the Altis 2.0 and 1.8 are compared to different Korean brands. As usual, Toyota is tuned more towards FC rather than performance, it has high rev capability. For the 1.8L is fine but for 2.0L, those who would go for it would have wanted performance instead of FC. Else, what's the point for buying 2.0L when 1.8L is adequate for C-segment. The 3ZR 2.0L Toyota engine is capable of having 194Nm@4000rpm if tuned up to 150ps beating Nu 2.0L MPI engine. Because the 2.0L is tuned for FC, acceleration 0-100km/h is only 10s that is only 0.2s faster than Elantra 1.8L. The previous Altis FL already come with better suspension with acceptable handling, I expect the new Altis should be somewhere around there.

Everything seems ok, only letdown is the CVT gearbox that brings down practicality and durability score. Toyota should have fitted conventional 5AT or 6AT instead.

What rubbish u talking about ? This is Altis 1.8 Vs Cerato 1.6, why bring Lavina ? even so who says car with no VVT have bad FC, Iswara & Wira with not what so ever VVT also very fuel efficient what.
Ya we not supposed to believe in Paultan/AW/CBT instead believe in Ding Dong Dr. Jayraptor is it ?

9 years max loan for Forte EX Kosong u called short term loan ? Sonata NF was choosen as it been dumb at dirt cheap price to Singapore use as taxi, nothing fancy about it, in fact Cefiro been use as more premium airport limo.

Nissan Altima already going to be release anytime yet u still dreaming..lol

Just look at Almera despite been late commer already beat City sales, FYI Nissan current 2nd best non National Car overtaking Honda & just behind Toyota,, eat your heart out...

How many time i need to says i am Jolokia (Hot Chilli Pepper) not Popcorn, maybe u earn popcorn every days till your brain also poppop..

The only person i ever know using NASA as NAZA is U .. One & Only..

U knowledge still stucked at 2003 Honda City era is it ? Toyota CVT already proven it reliability in Prius/CT200h/PriusC, just like new CVT fixed in upcoming Altima & Sentra..

Check your comment, you brought up Lavina 1.6 vs 1.8 first in your reply to TS, with twisted comment that you said from me. I'm just countering back with facts.

FYI, my Forte loan already settled long ago. Luckily NASA managed to sell it at low price before there was Inspira.

Sonata NF based price sold to blue taxi company in here and in Singapore costs more expensive than you offering your Cefiro and Sylphy during the evaluation. Sonata NF won because of better FC, better performance & handling, better comfort NVH. Yes, that old Sonata NF was well built at its time but sacrificed in order to prove its reliability & durability in maintenance and toughness which proven good. That is why people dare to buy Korean makes nowadays.

Your Almera is sold at P1 price, sure can beat City. But now that Preve safety rating is proven and it's better than your Almera in safety, performance and handling, do you think it can snatch back the sales you stole from them?

If CVT broken, can your SC overhaul or have to order brand new from Japan at high price when no more warranty? Do you know why Audi dropped CVT gearbox from its current models and picked conventional gearbox back?

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Feb 13 2014, 09:50 PM

any discount for 1.8 altis..
toyota sa do pm me for altis discount

U expecting a discount so soon after launch especially with Toyota?

heheh....just try my luck.....civic got 2888 discount

I also want discount for Toyota Altis 1.8...

Oh Jayraptor !!!

TCM brings in New Altima, Sentra..I told u so. ..lol

Really joker lah u, u claimed I work for Nissan (though I never a single pay check from TC or any of it affiliated co.) yet u argue with me which car will/will not be launch.

http://paultan.org/2014/02/14/tan-chong-co...an-models-2014/

Here's ! chew on it..muahahaha

would takes altis
sit inside cerato, its overdone.

Uncle interior, do you still wanna buy a car with uncle interior.

How about Cerato 2.0?

the altis's dash more like AE era type, while the rest are quite modern. base on review that i read (local & abroad), the interior quality is not bad.
never really tried to sit inside yet (130k without vsc is kinda potong stim)

for the cerato...well, its much depend on the person's taste. for me its kinda overly done.

the only thing i enjoy for cerato is its electric seat and black/dark interior

Your infected Paul Tan the rubbish again? Already desperate enough to forgo the huge profit and bring in CBU from Thai? Or that's just a long time wait news that you spread out to get buyers to wait for you? When you really launch already then you come here and brag. Don't talk something that you still refused to bring in just because you can't get CKD for max profit.

when i sit in one of the new altis , as the SA is delivering the car to the new owner
i really feel this car IS CAR OF THE YEAR

so smooth ...................and so powerful

really something worth it

even though those safety feature , i feel like it still worth to buy

Offcoz a lot of pre launch job need to be done mah ! like your laoya brand bring under power 1.4 engine & 2+1 door 1.6 weak engine hatch meh, now hardly see any on the road, Us N-Brand make sure all model bring will be sucessful, look at "our" Almera u like to critics selling so well, "Our" current line up already bet Honta & current No.2 Non National, imagine after Altima, Sentra , Note joint the line up, Toyoda might also afraid of us...

They won because of sonata offered diesel engine. i don't recall cefiro and sylphy offer diesel.

Actually there isn't much choice when it come to replacing the aged Toyota Crown Diesel as new Toyota Crown r heading toward luxury car, most other japanese manufacturer no longer made cheap D segment Diesel powered car (At lease non that i know of).

The only reason i can think of chosing Sonata NF as Taxi is "CHEAP"

That Rio 1.4 engine + 4AT are actually stronger than your weak sluggish Almera outdated tech engine + weak 4AT. Currently, NASA still thinking whether to bring in existing Rio 1.6 sedan now or wait for the next new Rio that is not yet built for the RM80k market.

You have been coming up with false claims & fake news many times. Like the boy who cried wolf or tiger, people already don't bother with whatever new cars that you claimed will bring in. People just listen right ear in, left ear out with your fake promise.

Toyota won't have to afraid at all. Only thing is they are waiting for new total redesign Camry as the current is a let down. The new Altis and Vios however would be strong like proper Toyota. That US Sentra look is outdated compared to Altis. Who would want to buy an uncle looking Sentra that copied older Korean design that is obsolete. Better buy Altis.

Since when did your 3rd nation N-brand beat Honda? Ugly Teana already joining Sylphy's fate on poor RV and demand. Almera can still sell because of selling at Preve's price. However, Preve's reputation is getting better than Almera on its proven safety by that Nurse who lost control in Terengganu highway.

People better buy Samsung Galaxy Note than buying that Note hatchback that you intend to bring in. Could be another failure as the hot hatch market has been dominated by Fiesta and VW Polo that have performance & handling.