Has anyone here been treated by Dr Eeson Sinthamoney at Pantai for ICSI/IVF before? Appreciate any feedback. Thanks!

Just my opinion, based on the experience that we have been through.
15-17k would only be a bare minimum figure, and the cost will keep piling up from there onwards. Last count, I have forked out more than 40+k with 2 full IVF rounds (first round failed), 2 fresh embryo transplant and 1 frozen embryo transplant. This does not include the cost for diagnostic procedures (HSG and hysteroscopy) which involves day-care operating theater.

Note that forking out 17K for the IVF will only cover the start of IVF until the time when the fertilized egg is transferred back to the mother's womb. After this time, any additional visits to gynae or procedures to maintain the pregnancy/baby will be additional $$ going out. If the egg successfully implants and pregnancy is confirmed, the cost adds up (as scans and further medicine like Duphaston cost comes into play). You'd also need to cater for additional cost for freezing extra fertilized eggs if there are remaining, which is a once-off + yearly cost for maintenance. If all goes well from there and pregnancy is viable (heartbeat detected), ante-natal cost (your typical baby growth ultrasound scan, first trimester scan etc etc....) will comes into play.

The cost for private IVF procedures are very expensive, even we have troubles paying for it, thus I hope that the brief explanation above can give some background info over the cost involved. All is not lost though, I know that LPPKN does provide a cheaper IVF alternative which you might be able to try. Have a look at the link below and perhaps you can try giving them a call?
http://littlemamadiary.com/lppkn-fertility-treatment/

Hope this helps and good luck!

This post has been edited by Nitrous: Dec 31 2014, 11:46 AM

Hi, we both have been TTC for almost 4 years, here we decided to go for IVF at Alpha Fertility. Can we just get some insight from you on preparation and precautions things.

Hope to hear from you. TQ in advance.

any updates from TS the progress of IVF? sorry for lazy reading all the pages. thx

Hi King King,

Glad to hear that you and wifey has decided to start with Alpha. I and hubby planning to engage with Alpha too, since we had our 6/10 eggs remaining frozen in KLFC (sigh.....long story guys). We are engaging Dr.Leong too after getting feedback and recommendation from an agent. As we are now dealing with frozen eggs and NOT fresh eggs. I am yet to meet him, but hey thanks for your word...it really adds on to my confidence. My appointment is on the 7 July 2015. I heard he has a looooooo que waiting to see him. Its ok, am already immune to waiting hours and hours in KLFC.

Just to give some answers for your questions:
1. I turned 37 this month and my hubby is 45 when we tried our 1st IVF/ICSI in KLFC. We actually started in March 2015.
2. Talking about KLFC, the whole treatment cost us around RM17k ++++ extra jabs, blood test for me and hubby, semen test, semen freezing, TESA procedure around RM5k since he had an extreme low sperm count (which we are still in doubt) egg thawing fee, egg freezing fee
3. Emotional roller coaster....hahahhha....talking about it. My hubby works overseas so i had to go through it by myself with my parents help. He joined me towards my 2nd last day of my jabs. I knew its not going to easy for me, as i am afraid of needles. I will scream out of my life looking at a needle nearing me. I was too nervous and scared for couple of days. But as the days goes by i am feeling numb about it. My only problem was to get myself driven to the clinics to get those injections as i said, i cant jab it by myself. So all my injections was done by a doctor at nearby clinic. I think this is a better way, coz less anxiety is passed on to the process of jabbing if we have to do it ourselves. The doctor does it professionally anyway. Each time it cost me RM15/jab. So 2 jabs is RM30. Towards the end of the injections, i was feeling crankly, hot, so numb, stiff.....Thank god my family was there for me.
4. We both had our both families concern, as you can see we are getting tooooooo old hahahahah. What choice do we have?? Honeymoon many times also no result. Hubby has poor sperm...still has no choice. Our families understand our needs. Even if without their consent, i think its important that any fertility issues resolution should be made by the couples and not by family members. Its your life, not theirs.
5. Last question sounds tricky......hmmmm....let me try. We were asked to stop the IVF/ICSI programme in KLFC and shifting it now to Alpha for some reasons.

Hope this helps you....keep posting ya. Good Luck! God Bless!

Hi Nitrous,

My advice would be please complete all necessary health & blood test prior to signing up with IVF/ICSI programme. Which is get all this done:
1. Your blood test
2. Ultrasound screening for cyst, fibroids etc detection
3. Hubby's semen test - check on his guys motility, morphology, count etc
4. Hubby's blood test - to measure the level of testosterone and other hormones in his blood. If the hormone test result isn't good, please bear in mind the possibility to produce quality sample on the day of egg retrieval will be lowered. The only options available is :

A. to use your hubby poor quality sperm and fertilize all eggs
B. to opt for donor sperm
C. to freeze all your eggs and decide later go for A or B. Not all hospitals like Metro, Concept Fertility Centre, Ramey Medical Centre provides egg freezing services.

Its better that you clear all results given to you and seek extensive counselling from the hospitals. Be sure of what ever they may say. Fertilizing your precious eggs with poor quality sperm will not result in good surviving embryos formed even until the blastocyst day.

Metro is a good choice dear, as i am very comfortable with Dr. Tee's consultation, diagnosis. You may also speak with Ms. Yana the counsellor.

Hope this helps you dear. Good Luck! God Bless!

Sorry this was meant for Nisha77....not Nitrous....excited to help others.

stress is the main problem, family pressure to peer pressure on having child. go for a long holiday and you will be suprised with the results

This post has been edited by loki: Jun 24 2015, 03:00 PM

Hi,

I have left my contact no. to his nurse for an appointment. Unfortunately been a month no calls from them. I also found out that they cant provide me with my inquiries. So no experience consulting with him.

Haha... No worries, anyone would benefit from the info here anyway.
Just an update on our journey at KL Fertility : My wife gave birth to a healthy baby girl about 1.5 months ago. It is a massive effort now to keep her well fed and happy. I would say, IVF process is relatively simpler than taking care of the kid, as the baby needs 24x7 of your attention (though I am pretty sure many of you would be happy to do so)
For those still in the IVF journey, I wish you and your family all the best, and don't give up.... Cheers!

Hi, i also from KLFC too under Dr Helena, may i know what is the reason you want to swift it to ALPHA? I also abit scare now...is it no good? I am planning to do my FET there again. Thanks

[quote=Nitrous,Jun 25 2015, 12:13 PM]
Sorry this was meant for Nisha77....not Nitrous....excited to help others.

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Haha... No worries, anyone would benefit from the info here anyway.
Just an update on our journey at KL Fertility : My wife gave birth to a healthy baby girl about 1.5 months ago. It is a massive effort now to keep her well fed and happy. I would say, IVF process is relatively simpler than taking care of the kid, as the baby needs 24x7 of your attention (though I am pretty sure many of you would be happy to do so)
For those still in the IVF journey, I wish you and your family all the best, and don't give up.... Cheers!

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Hi, may i know your IVF at KLFC is under which doctor? Mine is under Dr Helena. Thanks

Hi, we are under Dr Helena too.... a very caring doc

Just wanted to add to the discussion.
We did 3 rounds iui with my normal ob clinic-all failed.
Decided to try IVF(ICSI) and gave Mahkota IVF centre in Melaka a try. We paid exactly RM 15000 with Dr Azlina, dont know about the other doctors there.I was informed before hand it could cost more. But I responded well to the meds.

I really like her. Doesnt push extra's on a client. Our first cycle was a success, so all in all was a gamble that paid off.

This post has been edited by sarahdee: Jul 4 2015, 09:44 PM

Hi,

I am not sure about Dr. Helena's way of treatment and diagnosis, cause i was all the way under Dr.P with lots of hope and trust. Well, on my ER day on wards all my appointments was full of disappointments.

Following situations and considerations made us to move to other centres, mainly cause:
1. My hubby was not properly tested and diagnosed to confirm that his sperm is not suitable to fertilize my frozen eggs. Actually my hubby went thru TESA in KLFC with the hope to get some quality sperm but unfortunately he failed. So immediately decision to make within 10 mins either go for "donor" or "use up hubby's sample". We decided to fertilize 4/10 frozen eggs with watever the embryologist could find....results no good embryo was formed....so no ET was done on me.

2. We were not given sufficient counseling in terms of making us understand what was actually right and wrong about our blood test prior to us starting with the entire IVF program. If we were told earlier that my hubby's sperm was that bad, i don;t think so i will consider to commence the treatment in KLFC.

3. In the effort to save the remaining 6 frozen eggs, we decided to use a donor sperm....but the bad news is.....Dr.P doesn't do with donor sperm anymore, cause he doesn't have the license to do so. Then why in the first place ask us to consider for donor sperm?? Why didn't he test my hubby completely and advice us that IVF will be successful with a donor sperm as a standby?? This made me to walk into sooo many hospitals name it...Metro Klang, TMC Puchong, TMC Kota Damansara, PrinceCourt KL, Alpha FC....just to get a clear understanding of my current situation. what went wrong?? It all boils down to know there is such a huge difference the way other hospitals counsel us compare with KLFC.

4. Thinking about donor, its not an easy thing to find a donor, suitable donor, affordable donor, quality sperm from donor....i was going nuts pass 2 - 3 months looking for a donor. We some how manage to get a donor and wanted to continue with KLFC but was told NO...cause no license to do with a donor?? What the hell!!! So how?? What shall we do next??

5. All the other hospitals listed above, were afraid to give us the assurance that 100% fertilization may take place with frozen eggs as their main reason was:

a. its frozen eggs thus quality will drop over the time
b. due to the stress of transfer from KLFC to their location, quality may drop
c. upon thawing no guarantee the eggs may survive

Oh god! give me a break please.....Dr.P is the only person on the earth that guarantees my frozen eggs quality is not compromised.... the rest centres NO..NO...NO...GUARANTEE. My frustration level has gone to the hike by now.

6. Last resort i consulted Dr.Leong and narrated my entire story...well...he too said the same thing...no assurance given...but i don't have a choice now, coz we are in need of a donor. Finally, agreed to stick with Alpha under Dr.Leong. My treatment is scheduled to start by end of July 2015, hope to gain more and all my lost hope....just for my hubby and future baby...

7. I guess GOD is watching over me and all my hard work in trying to save my eggs. Need more of his blessings....Moral of the story NEVER GIVE UP LADIES!

*P/S: I am not trying to discourage or demotivate any members in this forum. The decision to proceed depends on the level of trust, confidence and comfort of each individual with the consulting doctor. This is just my side of the story. No patients leave the clinic without paying consultation fees (the minimum a doctor earns per day per patients). So please take your time to raise any doubtful questions and leave the clinic with a satisfactory answer. Remember the more you speak the more doctors will listen. Never ever assume that doctors knows the best and we know the least.

So sorry to hear that.
Before starting the I've process, both husband and wife will need to gone thru the blood test and sperm checking, they didn't go thru it in a first place?

[quote=Nitrous,Jun 25 2015, 12:13 PM]
Sorry this was meant for Nisha77....not Nitrous....excited to help others.

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Haha... No worries, anyone would benefit from the info here anyway.
Just an update on our journey at KL Fertility : My wife gave birth to a healthy baby girl about 1.5 months ago. It is a massive effort now to keep her well fed and happy. I would say, IVF process is relatively simpler than taking care of the kid, as the baby needs 24x7 of your attention (though I am pretty sure many of you would be happy to do so)
For those still in the IVF journey, I wish you and your family all the best, and don't give up.... Cheers!

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Congratulation. you success under which Dr and through fresh ivf or FET ? Thanks

Sorry to hear that. I also failed my first ivf i never told anything why the reason i failed. I personally find out the reason and request Dr to do so. I want to move to other centre but i still balance frozen embryo there. So i decided to give her another chance. I also a bit worry but i have to think positive. Yes, nobody can guaranteed the egg can survive or not after thawing. Sometime if the embryo cant survive meaning the embryo is healthy to put into our body also. If the embryo is healthy that mean our body hormone / uterus got problem. We need to find other solution to solve our body first before do the FET. All this i have to find our own....the Dr no tell me anything.

Actually i also slightly disappointed also with their services. But leave it to god ..........

It is under Dr Helena. It is FET cycle, the fresh cycle didn't work out.
This is actually our third IVF cycle, first 2 (both fresh, one at another center, one at KLFC) failed to give any results. Only FET (with much needed 3 months of rest for the mother) was successful.

Hi sister,

Sorry to hear about yours. Yes its true, at times these dr's just remain silent or speaks few words to reveal about the failure that happens. I think if we do not know the possible root cause that'z contributed to a failure, how are we suppose to find solution or correction for improvement. I belief as a patient who has undergone all the theory speaking treatment and practical experimentation of doctors on us...only we can do the inner corrections to our body. Perhaps doctor's medication helps but not to 100%. Many patients who has failed numerous IUI, IVF, ICSI has improved their success in following cycle by performing some kind of corrections.

Failure in cycles should not hinder us to seek improvement. As you said the rest we leave it to GOD and seek for his guidance.

Sister you may try taking some Chinese herbs that'z gud to strengthen your uterus and egg production. U can make it into a delicious soup and consume it daily except during your period.

Which centre are you planning to move next, if you don;t mind me asking.

Take care and GOD bless!