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megane5439
post Mar 31 2014, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(Nitrous @ Mar 24 2014, 03:05 PM)
Err... you successfully conceived and delivered? But your ID shows that you are a dude....  biggrin.gif

Anyway, just a FYI that our fresh cycle ET (embryo transplant) was not successful at KL Fertility this round, results came back negative. Guess we will try again, since we have 5 embryos frozen at KL Fertility.
Got 3 more chances to get it right, so hopefully it will turn out better next round. However, with that said, the overall experience at KL Fertility was excellent, Dr Helena is very attentive and caring to my wife, so my wife is happy to continue her frozen cycle at KL Fertility when the time has come...
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Hi, me and my husband planning to do our IVF with Dr Helena also. I also hope she can really help us on this. My problem is my two fallopian is block too. So seem alot of people here are said Dr Helena is good. So i hope i really choose a correct doctor n fertility center then. Any idea how to prepare our self before proceed to IVF?

Now i really worried my 1st ivf will fail as financial are tied after this. Good to hear that some of you are success in IVF. Happy to hear that.

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post Mar 31 2014, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(duhdude @ Mar 26 2014, 06:50 PM)
I used my husband account. So sorry to heard this bad news. My first round also failed, I succeed at second time (FET). FET sucess rate better than fresh because is natural cycle, no hormone injection etc. Dr Helena is my gynae till delivered because she is such lovely and caring gynae although her charge is not cheap.
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Hi, any idea how much the cost for IVF at KL Fertility under Dr Helena? I afraid can't get a good quality. If you got an extra good egg frozen atleast the 2nd time IVF wont cost you about 15k right?

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post Apr 1 2014, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(duhdude @ Mar 31 2014, 07:32 PM)
Their package is 17k up to blood test to confirm pregnancy. Storage fee is another cost. I spend almost 25k to conceived. This included pre ivf package kind testing and consulation, ivf fresh cycle 17k, embryo storage fee and frozen embryo transfer 3.5k
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Hi, 17k is normal package? 25k so much? 25k to spent is for 1st time?
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post Apr 2 2014, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(duhdude @ Apr 1 2014, 10:18 PM)
I do 2 time, first is ivf second round is fet. Ivf package is 17k, frozen embryo cost 1.8k and frozen embryo transfer cost 3.5k and consultation/blood test prior start ivf. If you have extra embryo to freeze, you just need to pay storage fee and embryo transfer fee for next trial. I pray so hard wish to have good quality and extra embryo to freeze so I no need to spend another 17k.
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Hi, yes agree with you. Wish you good luck and wish to hear good news from you soon. cheers. Keep us posted how your IVF. Hmm...me planning to do it on June. Let my chinese doctor check and see if i still not ready yet maybe will postpone it to July or August.


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post Apr 2 2014, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(duhdude @ Apr 1 2014, 10:23 PM)
SMC cost is cheaper than kl fertility. The bad thing is dr Wong too busy and always long waiting time. My friend suceess to conceived for her first ivf under dr Wong.
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Hi, i heard Dr Tee Metro is good. But his schedule also quite pack so abit difficult to make appointment. Yes, agree KL Fertility is expensive but hope Dr Helena is good.
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post Apr 5 2014, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(waters @ Apr 4 2014, 04:15 PM)
Thank you all for your kind words.

Megane5439,
My wife and I have only met 2 doctors, Dr. Menon and Dr. Leong (Alpha Fertility). Both are excellent, however Dr. Menon does not do IVF anymore. I can't say for anyone else, but I'm sure all of them are exceptional in their fields! Go with any doctor whom you feel comfortable asking questions to.

If you are thinking of doing IVF, usually the hospitals would have IVF counselling, ask anything there. No holds barred! Mentally, I guess you would need to be prepared to do more than 1 round of IVF. Always hope for the best, though. You will start having sleepless nights thinking about "will it work?", "what if it doesn't?", "It's going to be very expensive", "how do we keep our spirits up?". I know, currently going through that.

Meditation, prayer, being around friends  and even focusing your energy on your work or any other activities does help, albeit temporarily. Just remember, once it works, looking back 1 or 2 years, it would all be worth it.

Stay positive and happy always!

Nitrous,

Thank you for your advice, it couldn't be truer! Families can be really toxic at times, I can totally relate. My wife shed a tear when we read that your IVF cycles didn't work, we wish you all the luck in the world for the next.
We'll be starting our first cycle on the 15th, so we're nervous, hopeful and scared.

We'll update more once we start.
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Thanks for the advise and i will get prepare myself 1st for this two month. And if ready i will go do it by June. Yes, i will try to relax.
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post Apr 9 2014, 09:41 AM

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Hi all, what blood test normally doctor will ask to do before heading to IVF journey? Vitamin D i know it a must. How about LH & FSH and other hormonal test? Insulin and etc ... any advised on this for those already go through their IVF.

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post Apr 23 2014, 02:57 PM

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Hi all,

If period is not stable is it not suitable to proceed IVF? As my period is some kind of confusing. As we do IVF need to go visit the doctor on day 2 right? The problem is if period not stable we don't know which day is day 2.
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post Apr 24 2014, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(Nitrous @ Apr 23 2014, 08:56 PM)
Unstable as in like you don't know which is Day 1 or Day 2?
Sorry, can't help here as this is out of my knowledge area for IVF, my wife always know when Day 1 is (I always assumed women will know this biggrin.gif something to do with using a different kind of sanitary pads, but that is just the lame old me).
Yes, you would need to go to visit the doc on Day 2, to scan for availability of the eggs for that month (the doc would estimate the no of eggs to be produced). Try to check with the gynae for her advise.
Good Luck in your IVF!
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Hi, thanks for the advised.
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post Apr 28 2014, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(Jr.Koh @ Apr 28 2014, 12:53 AM)
I have managed to attach under dr.halena previously during my OBGYN posting and i reckon she is very good in what she is doing. She takes her time to explain what is needed and things are taken one step at a time. For those with high risk pregnancy they do work together with FMGC at jaya one, whereby there are three fetal medicine consultants, dr. Raman, dr. Patrick chia, and dr. Yap. They are good in managing high risk cases such as those high maternal age, hypertension diseases in pregnancies and so on. As for dato prashant, we have a nickname for him, he is the god father of fertility. He is the first in malaysia being trained in the UK specifically for fertility.
What I have said above are only my personal view as dr halena and dr raman were my mentors previously and they are highly regarded in their own field of subspecialty.
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Hi, good to hear that about Dr Helena. I shall see her in 2 month time. Thanks
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post Apr 28 2014, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(Jr.Koh @ Apr 28 2014, 06:32 PM)
No issues about that. At the mean time, do prepare yourself by supplementation with folic acid, vitamin D and calcium. Vitamin D is better absorbed in the morning due to low iron meal in our society.

Do visit her website and wish you best of luck in your pregnancy and to mothers out there.

https://drhelenalim.com
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Koh
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Hi Koh,

I unable to open the link you sent. I was taking some chinese medicine now. As chinese doctor said my body is extremely cold, blood circulation and not enugh QI. so i need to use chinese medicine to solve those problem before heading to IVF. I taking vitamin D n calcium now but i no take folic acid. What folid acid for?

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post Jun 16 2014, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Nitrous @ Apr 23 2014, 08:56 PM)
Unstable as in like you don't know which is Day 1 or Day 2?
Sorry, can't help here as this is out of my knowledge area for IVF, my wife always know when Day 1 is (I always assumed women will know this biggrin.gif something to do with using a different kind of sanitary pads, but that is just the lame old me).
Yes, you would need to go to visit the doc on Day 2, to scan for availability of the eggs for that month (the doc would estimate the no of eggs to be produced). Try to check with the gynae for her advise.
Good Luck in your IVF!
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But Dr Helena seen very busy recently. She keep on onleave haha...My appointment keep changing date aiks. Would like to check if we are under IVF is it they should come back if our date for treatment is fall on Sunday?
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post Jun 30 2014, 11:54 AM

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Hi, for those who done their IVF under Dr Helena or KL Fertility. Would like to check the whole package what blood test they will include in. I heard normally before the 1st injection they shall done a proper blood before proceed further. Am i right?

How the procedure in KL Fertility, can anyone here shall out?
Thanks and appreciated that.

I going for my 1st IVF for this coming circle. Heart beat quite fast cos is 1st time haha...wondering how to whole procedure. Wish i can get a better result. and also hope that can have more frozen to stall. smile.gif
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post Jun 30 2014, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(duhdude @ Mar 26 2014, 06:50 PM)
I used my husband account. So sorry to heard this bad news. My first round also failed, I succeed at second time (FET). FET sucess rate better than fresh because is natural cycle, no hormone injection etc. Dr Helena is my gynae till delivered because she is such lovely and caring gynae although her charge is not cheap.
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Hi, i oso planning to go through ivf with dr helena on this coming july circle. Is it true normally fresh embryo success rate for IVF is very low compare to frozen embryo? I also hope i got more embryo can freezing atleast we can use in future. Thanks for make me more happy heard that Dr Helena is a very caring doctor. I hope i can success from my fresh embryo if GOD give hehe...One week to go....wish me luck. smile.gif
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post Jun 30 2014, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Jun 30 2014, 10:10 PM)
My wife was under Dato' Prashant and not Halena, so I can only comment on KL Fertility experience.

OK, blood test, they will draw some blood from the wife and test... usually for hormones to ensure the hormones are level. Its located IIANM, level 3 same building. Will have do this quite often and my wife hated it as rrr.had a bad exriance in drwing blood.

Once the blood test is OK, the course commence where you have to take injections for 10 days, same time everyday. I remember during early mornings I had to jab my wife..lol...blur blur..wife face so scared..kekeke...but after a few times you will be fine. There are 2 types of injection..once is synthetic, comes in like a diabetic pen style injector, the other more old school ..have to mix 2 vials and then inject using a small syringe, everyday also. The first one is much easier to work with.

After taking injections..just before the eggs extraction, got 2 extra injections that have to take. Those are rather big syringes..smile.gif. But luckily only 2. The egg extraction is done in same building and its actually quite quick. Will go under anesthetic..and the whole extraction process took like 1 hour. Wife was blur after coming out..so need some time to rest after that. Overall its a half day process. Normally according to Prashant, he takes about 8-10 really good sized eggs. Once extracted and inseminated, you will have 2 choices..either..to implant on 3rd day or wait till next month for the body to heal up. Best is to consult Dr Halena which is best. We tried both and I wont tell you which work. tongue.gif. Additional eggs/embryos can be frozen (additional charges apply). Best is to freeze the better ones, i.e day 5 blastocyst. 

After implant, I remember wife had to take some pills ...and insert also. About 10 days later....you will have to go do a urine test. If positive, you do blood test to confirm. If negative......just remember its not the end of the world. Miracles happens in many ways.

Good luck and I am sure you are probably in the best hands in this field. Which reminds me I have to send a thank you not to KL Fertility as my boy is due next 3 weeks.
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You success under Dr Prashant if fresh embryo transfer or frozen embryo transfer? I planning to visit Dr Helena next Monday to take some blood test if result come out good i will proceed 1st 4 injection. 1st time abit confuse hehe....
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post Jul 1 2014, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Jul 1 2014, 12:40 PM)
My wife had 2 cycles. 1st cycles had 8 eggs only 2 were good transferred after 3 days. results negative. Second cycle, had 14 eggs, 6 eggs made it after day 5. ET 2 after 1 month , i.e frozen transfer. result- positive.

Draw you own conclusion le.

caveat- 2nd cycle we had different injections and had TMC supplements. TMC said wife womb was cold so needed supplements.
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Ok thanks. So u use 2 circle of fresh embryo? Oooh .. for the second circle u stop 1 month then only transfer the frozen one? I heard they said fresh embryo normally success rate is very low right? My womb is cold also but i will try to withdraw the fresh egg and see how. Never try never know. That why sometime financial tied very think twice before proceed.
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post Jul 1 2014, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Jul 1 2014, 06:25 PM)
Yes ..my wife and I did 2 rounds of IVQ.

All I can say is..we asked the question- would freezing method have a better chance. Answer: No direct answer, but both are viable. The plus point of 1 month transfer is that wife has time to recover from the extraction. Maybe mentally better prepared kua more relax and better chance?.

Just to let you know...egg quality and sperm quality also plays a part. Doesn't mean when u extract 10 eggs ..all 10 eggs can be viable for transfer. depends on luck if the eggs mature past 3 days. % days will be best..but I think for fresh transfer 3 days is the time frame. 

It is expensive the process..and I wish you all the luck. Before you start ..relax, have a good diet...quit smoke/booze and unhealthy food (coffee also restricted sad.gif). That's what they keep telling us. You will be given folic acid as supplement. Also if your vit D is low, Vit D supplement via drops.
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Just did my vitamin d and insulin test all normal. That why Dr Helena was asking me if i am get ready can come visit her this circle and start the 1st IVF. On day 2 she need draw a blood test a progesterone and estrodiol blood test. If all ok then we proceed for the injection. actually earlier i also thinking of want to implant the frozen embryo.

Mind to share with me if let said we did and paid for the ivf package but the implantation we want to done it the next circle will it be additional charges beside the 17k ?

Mind to share the IVF journey what KLFC will do during from Day 2 till implantation. Sorry for too much query. tongue.gif

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post Jul 1 2014, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Jul 1 2014, 06:55 PM)
Not an problem..as I was also blur when I did it with my wife. Its good to share such info around. Hope 1 day maybe you can help someone also.

Yes, the package is for 1 cycle only. 1 cycle means all your eggs used up. If you fail that's it. I don't know if extra charges incurred if you try more than 1 time implant. My case .. first cycle we only had 1 implant due to the fact we had 2 good eggs nia. Second cycle, we were successful at the first try. I know the subsequent implant will be charged at about 4k each time for the eggs kept frozen.

There will be a token discount if you decide to try again if 1st cycle fails.(duno if Halena practice it..but Prashant did).

As for experience, I can give a hubby view nia. Initially Wife did say the injections are quite painful. The trick is to make sure the syringe is at 90', straight in lo. There will be some side effect like bloating and so on, so bear with it. Remember to take it at same time lo..the nurses at KLMC is very friendly and able to guide you guys on how to take injections. You will go back to KLMC for checks and see the progress, where they will ultra scan you to see how many eggs are there. Once 14 days over, you will go to downstairs to do the extraction. There will be a room, and hubby is required to donate his sperm also that day....you will be anesthetized. and egg extraction takes about 1 hour nia. After that, rest abit and balik. They will ask you if you want to transfer fresh or later. If later, they will calculate the next fertile date and ask you come back lo.

It actually a quick process as it went by quickly for me. Don't worry too much, you are in great hands...I have great faith in KLFC people. The queue may be abit long, but overall the people there are great. Most importantly, don't worry too much..and don't put too much pressure on yourself. When our 1st cycle failed, my wife was devastated, but like I said and I believe miracles comes in its own way.

Feel free to ask anymore questions ya...
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Hi, which mean on your second circle you all success is using fresh embryo or frozen embryo? If can success in using fresh embryo is consider very good liao lo ... tongue.gif Normally % on fresh embryo is very low...I heard fresh embryo mostly cannot success due certain reason like hormone medicine effect our body or else is women health problem. I also worry i cannot produce more good egg...if can produce more good egg i got nothing to worry liao..hehe. Cos can keep freezing and come back do after 1 or 2 month.
Yes, i got faith with our 1st try this coming week. Feeling nervous but still ok can handle it thanks. smile.gif

Can i check with you, on your 1st circle failed did Dr Prashant explain to you what is the reason?
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post Jul 10 2014, 01:23 PM

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[quote=Nitrous,Jul 9 2014, 03:23 PM]
It is not easy to pinpoint the reason for failure, for my wife and myself, Dr Helena thinks that the eggs transferred did not implant due to very low marker count in bloodtest (this was a fresh ET cycle). We are going for a frozen ET cycle in Aug, but since our eggs are frozen on day 3, we plan to thaw it and let it grow to day 5 blastocyst before transferring. No idea if that will be successful or not, but I guess our age is catching up hence chances are diminishing for us. Remember that there are a lot of factors in getting positive results, not just a frozen cycle transfer, but I am confident Dr Helena will take care of you very well based on our experience.
Good luck!
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I will start my injection either this Sat or next Monday. Confusing as my period 1st day is complicated as Dr Helena give me 4 day Gynera pill now period are so stable but i think we manage to get there. So excited hope every go smoothly.

May i know Blastocyst charging extra how much? Any reason why some people need blastocyst? Thanks
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post Jul 10 2014, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(Nitrous @ Jul 10 2014, 06:54 PM)
Blastocyst is actually a 5-day old fertilized egg, where the embryo forms a ball and the ball is almost ready for implant (hatching), in which the inner mass will become the foetus. We have had failures (twice) for 3-day old embryos, hence we would like to go for blastocyst transfer instead this round, as the embryos would have grown significantly with that additional 2 days (and hopefully more robust) and is almost ready for implantation.
The drawback, is that a lot of fertilized embryos do not survive past the 3-days mark in the lab and become a blastocyst. At the end of the day, the lab's petri dish is never a match to a women's uterus, and the women's body is vastly superior compared to the lab's test tubes, thus chances of the embryo surviving inside the body is much higher than on a petri dish.
I do not know how much extra would a blastocyst transfer cost, we will know when we start our ET.  biggrin.gif As for yourself, my suggestion to you is to listen to Dr Helena, and seek her advise on your ET preference, as each case is different and she will definitely want the best for you.
Hope this helps...
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Sure. I will follow what Dr Helena said but this circle my IVF slightly different as normal IVF. She found out i got Corpus Leteum cyst so she give me on Gynera for 4 days then stop for 5 day and return for 1st injection on next Monday. I was surprise how she can know my period on Monday is day 2 or day 3. The problem is the Gynera make my period not stable so still don't know shall i back to take my 1st injection on this Sat or coming Monday. As i know 1st injection should done on my day 2 period. SO this circle i will try to follow what she said. Really hope our ivf can success. If can hope my folicle can grow according to the size atleast we can freezing the extra embryo.

Wish both of us good luck then. Wish to hear good news from you soon. cheers

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