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jkjl
post Jan 19 2016, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Nov 20 2014, 07:29 PM)
Hi...yes we did 2 rounds both IVF. We didn't do back to back. I think Prashant also didn't recommend us to do back to back, he mentioned to take a 6 month break before we try again. My wife took 1 year break before we tried it again( its the emotional trauma that is harder to heal)

When we took  the year out, I kept assuring my wife that its ok..and that life was fine (with or without a baby). We also did TCM, (before KL Fert set up the next door TCM). The sensei prescribe us with some herbs (Korean ginseng) as he said my wife's womb was "cold". Barred my wife from drinking cold drinks and so on. As usual we just did what we were told. I cant vouch that it solved our problem but after taking the TCM course, the second egg extraction was much easier.

As far as I can tell, when my wife was going through the jabs...it was ok (physically wise). Some complaints of bloating and so on but nothing major. By right its unlikely to do 2 rounds of IVF / ICSI back to back. This is because when the egg extraction process, usually Prashant will extract as much good eggs as possible. We had to try again cause our first extraction yielded only like 5 good eggs and from that only 2 made past day 3. That 2 was implanted and unfortunately it didn't happen. If you are lucky, as our 2nd attempt, you may have a few more eggs and you are able to freeze any extra. So one may have multiple implants with 1 egg extraction sessions.

If I remember correctly, 2nd attempt we managed to extract 13 eggs and 8 made it pass day 3. Out of that 5 made it blastocyst. We froze it and came back after 1 month for implant. Used 2 of the blastocyst and was successful with 1. We froze the remaining 3 for KIV...smile.gif.

At the risk of being like trying to promote Prashant (which I am not being paid to do so  laugh.gif ), you are probably in hands of one of the best fertility doctor around. We went back to him even after 1st attempt failure because we liked him, for being frank. And he gives some aura of confidence ....dunno don't ask that's what my wife says....

Lastly, I sincerely hope that your journey will end in success and welcome you to the realm of parenthood. Here's to multiple months of interrupted sleep at nights... thumbup.gif

Let me know if you need any further clarifications. You can PM me if you like
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Hi gladfly, thanks for sharing detailed accounts of your ivf journey. It's very helpful and also comforting to have the necessary information.

I am thinking of seeing dr prashant and would like to know more about your experience with him.
- Is he patient and willing to listen and explain your questions, however many?
- Does he help give you direction on what to do, your options and potential consequences?
- is he helpful with "problem dissection" queries - i.e. if you would like to find out the cause of failures if the treatment was not successful
- what is your wife's opinion of him...from a women's perspective
- how far in advance do you have to make an appointment to see him?
- how long is his usual waiting time?
- how many times do you have to go to the fertility center for 1 cycle of ivf and embro transfer?

Thanks!
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post Jan 19 2016, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(jkjl @ Jan 19 2016, 01:01 PM)
Hi gladfly, thanks for sharing detailed accounts of your ivf journey. It's very helpful and also comforting to have the necessary information.

I am thinking of seeing dr prashant and would like to know more about your experience with him.

- Is he patient and willing to listen and explain your questions, however many?
A: Yes, he is quite accommodative. However, he tends to give short answers.

- Does he help give you direction on what to do, your options and potential consequences?
A: Yes, when we saw him, he did gave us the options natural or assisted, IUI, IVQ or ICSI.

- is he helpful with "problem dissection" queries - i.e. if you would like to find out the cause of failures if the treatment was not successful
A: Yes he will try to diagnose the problem. My wife had to do a MRI of the womb and I had to give a sperm sample to determine what was the problem.
    However, when our first try failed, I remember he mentioned that it was quite odd as our chances were quite good. He tweeked our 2nd try, by using different injections and by implanting the embryo on day 5 (blastocyst) rather than on 3rd day.
 
- what is your wife's opinion of him...from a women's perspective
A: Hmmm...my wife says he is a nice fella (Lol). I guess its how he speaks (a little British accent) and his short sentences. Otherwise I don't think my wife would have gone back for the 2nd try. He strikes me as a person who is assuring and confident, a professional, he answers when asked that kind of fella.

- how far in advance do you have to make an appointment to see him?
A: Appointments are fixed. The nurse will fix a date for follow up appointments. The first appointment was booked by my wife so I am not sure how long that took.

- how long is his usual waiting time?
A: Looooooooooooong. 2 hours wait is norm. We usually end up at the nero café have brunch or something like that after registration..tongue.gif

- how many times do you have to go to the fertility center for 1 cycle of ivf and embro transfer?
A: Can't really remember the exact number of times, but I think 1st time had more, probably around 10 times. IIANM, his fees is not all inclusive, there were times where we had to pay during follow up appointments, but cant remember how much.

Thanks!
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Hi there...wow my post was quite sometime ago..

Anyway we have not been back to KL Fert for sometime since busy with raising our little one. Last I heard is that Prashant don't do IVF anymore and its mostly done by Dr. Helena, but I can't confirm.

Anyway, I tried to answer your questions as above. Bear in mind this is based on our experiances 3 years ago so things may have changed.

Do let me know if you need more info, am glad to share. Good luck on your journey to parenthood!!

p.s sorry as I dont know how to use the quote function ..lel


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post Jan 19 2016, 08:46 PM

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Hi,

We are trying from last 7-8 months.After not successful we consult with Dr. Prashant at KL fertility center. He did 2 tests.

1) Sperm Test = Quality & mobility is good.
2) Total 18 eggs are there (9-9 on both left and right side).

Dr. Prashant said untill now every thing is normal and suggest for the 3rd test (HSG test) on 9th or 10th day of cycle.

My question :- Is this HSG test is painful. What if any of the Fallopian tube is block (which i wish never be). IF HSG test also good then what are the other reasons that we are getting no success.

Please feedback

Munish
post Jan 27 2016, 10:26 PM

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plz feedback
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post Jan 28 2016, 04:04 PM

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@Munish HSG Xray is like period pain. Prepare own sanitary pad coz there will be slight spotting.
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post Feb 5 2016, 07:54 PM

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Anyone can provide feedback about Alpha Fertility Center?

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post Feb 9 2016, 03:11 PM

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Hi peeps

Is there a list of fertility centers that I can check out? Bad news has happened to us and we most probably need to go for a ivf icsi treatment...
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QUOTE(Fujihime @ Feb 9 2016, 03:11 PM)
Hi peeps

Is there a list of fertility centers that I can check out? Bad news has happened to us and we most probably need to go for a ivf icsi treatment...
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I would suggest Alpha Fertility Centre. BTW, where are you located? Best to look for a place close to where you are.
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QUOTE(waters @ Feb 9 2016, 03:30 PM)
I would suggest Alpha Fertility Centre. BTW, where are you located? Best to look for a place close to where you are.
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I'm staying in ara damansara. Is location going to be a factor? My hubby travels a lot for work so I might need to go to clinics in my own sometimes. Is there any recommended ones for dealing with MFI?

Also, we did a screening at fertility associates in PJ. Hubby wants to get a second opinion. But these centers wouldn't be unethical as to give you false reports in order to get you to sign up for IVF right?
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QUOTE(waters @ Jan 21 2014, 03:32 PM)
Hi all,

My wife and I have been TTC for about 4 years. No luck. Early last year we went to TMC, tried IUI 3 times, all failed. Dr. Menon then recommended IVF. However, he left TMC at the end of 2013, so we're in a dilemma about where to go next.

I'm looking at SunFert, Metro IVF, Alpha and Sime Darby Subang (old SJMC).

Anyone have any info on any one of the above hospitals and their success rates.

Thanking you in advance!

Rgds,
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I recommend you at least get a consultation like 2nd opinion
and I recommend Dr SP Ng at Columbia Asia Puchong

friendly honest and importantly knowledgeable and experienced
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post Feb 10 2016, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(Fujihime @ Feb 9 2016, 04:35 PM)
I'm staying in ara damansara. Is location going to be a factor? My hubby travels a lot for work so I might need to go to clinics in my own sometimes. Is there any recommended ones for dealing with MFI?

Also, we did a screening at fertility associates in PJ. Hubby wants to get a second opinion. But these centers wouldn't be unethical as to give you false reports in order to get you to sign up for IVF right?
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Yes location is a factor. You will be paying quite a few visits to the clinic, with all the baby stuff in your head, getting stuck in traffic or travelling for an hour is really going to drive you nuts.

We stay in Tropicana so Alpha or TMC were the closest options. We chose Alpha at the end.

Getting a second opinion is fine, we got 3 before staring our fertility journey. I really don't think that the labs will doctor results to get you to do IVF. If you feel that way, get tested at a government hospital.

Not too sure about MFI, the doctor at Alpha (Dr. Leong) told us our best option was IVF. He didn't rule out IUI, though.

Hope this helps!

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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Feb 9 2016, 04:49 PM)
I recommend you at least get a consultation like 2nd opinion
and I recommend Dr SP Ng at Columbia Asia Puchong

friendly honest and importantly knowledgeable and experienced
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Hi, Thanks for your advice, but that post was 2 years ago. We have a baby girl now. 8 months.

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post Feb 10 2016, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(waters @ Feb 10 2016, 12:28 AM)
Yes location is a factor. You will be paying quite a few visits to the clinic, with all the baby stuff in your head, getting stuck in traffic or travelling for an hour is really going to drive you nuts.

We stay in Tropicana so Alpha or TMC were the closest options. We chose Alpha at the end.

Getting a second opinion is fine, we got 3 before staring our fertility journey. I really don't think that the labs will doctor results to get you to do IVF. If you feel that way, get tested at a government hospital.

Not too sure about MFI, the doctor at Alpha (Dr. Leong) told us our best option was IVF. He didn't rule out IUI, though.

Hope this helps!
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Thanks! I'll try to call up TMC tmr to see of a screening can be done. Were the 3 tests that you do all resulting to the same conclusion?

May I know how long does it take for you to be pregnant from the time you decided to take on IVF?
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QUOTE(Fujihime @ Feb 10 2016, 01:23 AM)
Thanks! I'll try to call up TMC tmr to see of a screening can be done. Were the 3 tests that you do all resulting to the same conclusion?

May I know how long does it take for you to be pregnant from the time you decided to take on IVF?
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Great! If you can, see Dr. Surinder. He's usually pretty booked out, but really good.

Yup, all 3 tests were more or less the same

Okay, our IVF journey was a bit traumatic. We started sometime in mid April 2014. The whole process took about 5 weeks and we found out it we were pregnant during the first week of June. Two weeks later we lost the baby, it was an ectopic pregnancy so my wife had to go through an emergency surgery to remove the egg. Yes - IVF can cause an ectopic. Rare, but it happens.

Surprisingly we got pregnant naturally in November 2014, 5 months after the ectopic. Amazing, we were speechless. This was after 7 years of marriage and trying to get pregnant. All the doctors we saw told us that IVF was possibly the only way.

Looking at my daughter today, I still can't believe it.

Anyway, back on topic. The whole IVF process should take 5 weeks or so, then another 2 week wait before you know if it worked. The doctor will advise you when to start taking the daily hormone jabs, when you should come in to check the growth of the eggs, when to come in to extract the eggs and when they will fertilize and transfer the embryos or blastocysts. These dates should all be mapped out when you start the procedure.

If you are working, please try to take a lot of leave, especially during the transfer and the 2 week wait.

Expect to pay in the region of 25-30K. I don't like to say this, but try to budget for 2 IVF cycles.

Good luck!


This may sound weird, but start talking to your baby as if he/she is here. It really helped us through some tough times.






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QUOTE(waters @ Feb 10 2016, 12:29 AM)
Hi, Thanks for your advice, but that post was 2 years ago. We have a baby girl now. 8 months.

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congratz then

you are surely more experienced to know *and advise in return what when right and what
when wrong or what to avoid as you are now more than 8 months the wiser

share with us your experience
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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Feb 10 2016, 03:01 PM)
congratz then

you are surely more experienced to know *and advise in return what when right and what
when wrong or what to avoid as you are now more than 8 months the wiser

share with us your experience
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Sure!

See my post reply to fujihime above. Post #154.

Our IVF journey was crazy scary and a real emotional monster that we had to handle.
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QUOTE(waters @ Feb 10 2016, 05:41 PM)
Sure!

See my post reply to fujihime above. Post #154.

Our IVF journey was crazy scary and a real emotional monster that we had to handle.
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did the hormone injections make you put on weight?

went fatty?

when daughter came out went for C-section or normal birth?
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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Feb 10 2016, 05:45 PM)
did the hormone injections make you put on weight?

went fatty?

when daughter came out went for C-section or normal birth?
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FYI, it was my wife not me, she didn't put on weight during the IVF. However some people may find that it does.

We went for a c-section at 39 weeks due to some complications late in the pregnancy.

How about you? Are you planning to start any treatments?


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QUOTE(waters @ Feb 10 2016, 06:05 PM)
FYI, it was my wife not me, she didn't put on weight during the IVF. However some people may find that it does.

We went for a c-section at 39 weeks due to some complications late in the pregnancy.

How about you? Are you planning to start any treatments?
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when it comes to gynae advice I think you will know by now that there
are always 'complications' - its standard advice and sorry to say which
you may not agree, it makes them more money to tell you that hence
the need for c-sect not natural - why? like I said there's always
'problem but not to worry, we can do a c-sect' thingy

I'm not planning anything, just thinking of the money these Drs make
with the mass of the ignorant population

like I said when I die and get born again I want to be a specialist Dr
and own a 4 storey bungalow sports car thirsty SUV and a boat at my
holiday villa at a seaside
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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Feb 10 2016, 06:11 PM)
when it comes to gynae advice I think you will know by now that there
are always 'complications' - its standard advice and sorry to say which
you may not agree, it makes them more money to tell you that hence
the need for c-sect not natural - why? like I said there's always
'problem but not to worry, we can do a c-sect' thingy

I'm not planning anything, just thinking of the money these Drs make
with the mass of the ignorant population

like I said when I die and get born again I want to be a specialist Dr
and own a 4 storey bungalow sports car thirsty SUV and a boat at my
holiday villa at a seaside
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If you have adequate proof you can always lodge an official complaint with the MMC rather than here.

Obstetrics is very litigious, they tend to play on the safe side. Hence any potential complications also they'll suggest a c-sec esp when it's a "million-dollar baby".

Informed consent is also needed with every procedure. Hence if your doctor is too lazy to tell you exactly why they're suggesting a c-sec, you're allowed to refuse it. You're also allowed to go seek for 2nd, 3rd, 4th opinions.

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