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SUSEnterYourName
post Jul 6 2006, 11:41 PM, updated 20y ago

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hi, i'm new here.

currently working in a semicon MNC in penang. plan to job hop and oledi get contacted by another MNC and they offer me oledi. now waiting for medical checkup before sign offer letter. i had work for my current company 1yr++

ok, i have 2 concerns, one is career advancement and another 1 is salary and benefits(duh!, wat else laugh.gif )

Career advancement concern.
My current company lack of concrete objective and less projects for us to do. Even there are projects, those are very minor projects where i think i can't learn things from it.

Most of the experience senior in my current company oledi gone for good. Sometimes need to do a lot of shitty job that not related to technical.

My strength is either low level firmware programming or digital circuit design.
My current job didn't have a specific job, sometimes might be programming and sometimes can chg to pure analog design as well as pcb design.

The MNC that offer me now (softwre engineer) seems to have more dedicated objective and have much more design (yeah, i heard from others) from outlook since they have certain core technology.

Salary & Benefit concern
My current salary around RM2.7k. In my current company i able to claim OT which the amount is based on how much OT i can do. Range from RM200-RM400 but most of the saturday i also need to work and some of the weekdays i need to work late only can get this kind of amount. Benefits are standard, no profit sharing, bonus not fix, but range from 1.3months - 2months.

The new MNC offer me RM3.2k. Benefits included profit sharing based on performance, fix annual bonus 1.5months and EPF contribution (comapny) higher. Since i need to serve 3 months notice which is freaking long, this MNC willing to pay for 1 month and wait me 2 months but need to bond me for half year.

My concern now is now oledi July, few more months i will entitled to increment which make my salary around RM2.9k and year end bonus (not sure how many months). If i jump now, i will lose those. Now my increment from job hopping is not even touch 20% which i consider quite less..



So now in dilemma wnt to jump or not..sorry for the long input..some of the info too long for me to type here..

Thanks.
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post Jul 7 2006, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(RO Player @ Jul 7 2006, 12:00 AM)
Simple...just ask ur new employer..whether can wait till you get ur bonus..and get off. If not..then u need to decide which  is the better company.

It seems ur new employer..needs you badly till paying u 1 month. Seems desperate.  whistling.gif  Check ur new company, whether high turnover or not.  wink.gif

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i think it is too much if ask them to wait get my bonus since im not those very experience sweat.gif

actually, i dun think they need me badly coz if that case, they will help me to pay 3 months instead of 1 month laugh.gif

my new company is a very famous MNC, i think should be quite high turnover.
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post Jul 7 2006, 12:14 AM

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well.. wat r u waiting for?? give ur current the bos the ultimate letter now!! that's wat i always tell my frens. do not wait for those increments, bonuses, claims etc etc. if u wait, then prolly u'll wait for year end bonus lar, appraisal bonus lar etc etc. and then prolly u ended up staying in ur current job & lose the opprtunity to work elsewhere with better prospects.

look for long term. yes, u might lose those increment etc etc. but u can gain those stuff back in no time. furthermore, u sd earlier that the job scope in ur new company is way better & wider than ur current wan. go & learn new thing in ur new company.

think of it tis way, if a company is willing to pay for ur compensation, they mean business. they r trying their best to make u come over ASAP. they sincerely think ur da best man for the job. samo ur hopping to another MNC, not some cikai punya small cinapek company, apa takut?! the ball is on ur court, mate.

just my op.
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post Jul 7 2006, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Jul 7 2006, 12:14 AM)
well.. wat r u waiting for?? give ur current the bos the ultimate letter now!! that's wat i always tell my frens. do not wait for those increments, bonuses, claims etc etc. if u wait, then prolly u'll wait for year end bonus lar, appraisal bonus lar etc etc. and then prolly u ended up staying in ur current job & lose the opprtunity to work elsewhere with better prospects.

look for long term. yes, u might lose those increment etc etc. but u can gain those stuff back in no time. furthermore, u sd earlier that the job scope in ur new company is way better & wider than ur current wan. go & learn new thing in ur new company.

think of it tis way, if a company is willing to pay for ur compensation, they mean business. they r trying their best to make u come over ASAP. they sincerely think ur da best man for the job. samo ur hopping to another MNC, not some cikai punya small cinapek company, apa takut?!  the ball is on ur court, mate.

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thanks for the input.

but i heard from my fren that in this MNC, need to work till 9-11pm everyday. sweat.gif

i dun mine working late coz i also used to practice it now but if everyday really can make me crazy sweat.gif

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post Jul 7 2006, 12:31 AM

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to me there's never been any dilemma where job hopping is cornerned. with each hop you'll get better pay... better perks, broaden your knowledge, gather more experience, and most prolly higer position.

I used to job hop 5 times in 6 years. by the 4 fourth jump, I've already reached the same rank as my supervisor in the company i first started. by my 5th jump, i already make double than the colleague that i've left in the first company. by then I dont need to jobhop anymore: i've been headhunted!!.... cos by then I've built enuff repo, already brushed shoulders with all the key players in the industry, already gained enuff experience to make my opinion and suggestion counts.

so what are you waiting for. screw the bonus, bonus are for the weak, opiums passd by the employer to sedate the minions. screw the increment, that's a petty excuse by employers to keep u off thier ass. Jump baby JUMP!!
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post Jul 7 2006, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(EnterYourName @ Jul 7 2006, 12:25 AM)
thanks for the input.

but i heard from my fren that in this MNC, need to work till 9-11pm everyday.  sweat.gif

i dun mine working late coz i also used to practice it now but if everyday really can make me crazy  sweat.gif
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ever heard of sheryl crow's song 'a change will do u good' ? biggrin.gif i know shite about network & pc components, now i'm working in the biggest broadband service company that serves hotels in the world. wat d'ya think? if u dunno anything, ask ppl til u understand/know. the hunger for knowledge must be there.

if u got stucked in a company for too long, u tend to get bored. i quit my job in a MNC after 5years in it cos i'm looking for new challenges. and now, thank god i found one. rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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post Jul 7 2006, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(alqa @ Jul 7 2006, 12:31 AM)
to me there's never been any dilemma where job hopping is cornerned. with each hop you'll get better pay... better perks, broaden your knowledge, gather more experience, and most prolly higer position.

I used to job hop 5 times in 6 years. by the 4 fourth jump, I've already reached the same rank as my supervisor in the company i first started. by my 5th jump, i already make double than the colleague that i've left in the first company. by then I dont need to jobhop anymore: i've been headhunted!!....  cos by then I've built enuff repo, already brushed shoulders with all the key players in the industry, already gained enuff experience to make my opinion and suggestion counts.

so what are you waiting for. screw the bonus, bonus are for the weak, opiums passd by the employer to sedate the minions. screw the increment, that's a petty excuse by employers to keep u off thier ass. Jump baby JUMP!!
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but if job hop too often, will that harm ur resume?

and actually, i also go for interview for other big MNC but still no reply yet. I afraid that other MNC can offer me better pay and better environment than this MNC.

Anythings that i can do? Coz my fren told me to hold them 1st while try to wait other response sweat.gif


QUOTE(sinoffire @ Jul 7 2006, 12:32 AM)
ever heard of sheryl crow's song 'a change will do u good' ?  biggrin.gif  i know shite about network & pc components, now i'm working in the biggest broadband service company that serves hotels in the world. wat d'ya think? if u dunno anything, ask ppl til u understand/know. the hunger for knowledge must be there.

if u got stucked in a company for too long, u tend to get bored. i quit my job in a MNC after 5years in it cos i'm looking for new challenges. and now, thank god i found one.  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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yah, actually i oledi bored with my current company or shud i said i demotivated. One of the main reason that i want to chg company is I feel i just can't motivate myself in this kind of environment. No, i'm not giving excuse to myself.

So, i think to job hop as new MNC give new hope and new hope give new motivation
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post Jul 7 2006, 12:43 AM

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I am in the same position. I have applied to a couple of MNCs - received an offer - was in a dilemma whether to change but at the same time waiting to receive better offers.

I mean in life we have to make decisions. The most important thing that I learned while making decisions is to find out whether the job interest you - don't think about the money and most importantly career advancement - ask your prospective employer where will you be in 5 years time?
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post Jul 7 2006, 12:58 AM

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the 1st step is always the hardest. after that, u'll do just fine.

like wat u learn during schooling/college/uni days : decision making.
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post Jul 7 2006, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Jul 7 2006, 12:58 AM)
the 1st step is always the hardest. after that, u'll do just fine.

like wat u learn during schooling/college/uni days : decision making.
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yah, decision making is important and i lack of this skill.

i oledi make wrong decision and shud i say i make too fast decision to join my current company after i graduate.
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post Jul 7 2006, 06:29 AM

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QUOTE(EnterYourName @ Jul 7 2006, 01:06 AM)
yah, decision making is important and i lack of this skill.

i oledi make wrong decision and shud i say i make too fast decision to join my current company after i graduate.
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I can assure you that you didn't make a wrong decision considering there are thousands of unemployed freshies out there. When I first graduated I just accepting my first job eventhough the pay was shit but what the hell it is a MNC company. But look at me know 3months down the road and I am receiving much better offers from other MNCs. So look at the positives.
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QUOTE(EnterYourName @ Jul 6 2006, 11:41 PM)
hi, i'm new here.

currently working in a semicon MNC in penang. plan to job hop and oledi get contacted by another MNC and they offer me oledi. now waiting for medical checkup before sign offer letter. i had work for my current company 1yr++

ok, i have 2 concerns, one is career advancement and another 1 is salary and benefits(duh!, wat else  laugh.gif )

Career advancement concern.
My current company lack of concrete objective and less projects for us to do. Even there are projects, those are very minor projects where i think i can't learn things from it.

Most of the experience senior in my current company oledi gone for good. Sometimes need to do a lot of shitty job that not related to technical.

My strength is either low level firmware programming or digital circuit design.
My current job didn't have a specific job, sometimes might be programming and sometimes can chg to pure analog design as well as pcb design.

The MNC that offer me now (softwre engineer) seems to have more dedicated objective and have much more design (yeah, i heard from others) from outlook since they have certain core technology.

Salary & Benefit concern
My current salary around RM2.7k. In my current company i able to claim OT which the amount is based on how much OT i can do. Range from RM200-RM400 but most of the saturday i also need to work and some of the weekdays i need to work late only can get this kind of amount. Benefits are standard, no profit sharing, bonus not fix, but range from 1.3months - 2months.

The new MNC offer me RM3.2k. Benefits included profit sharing based on performance, fix annual bonus 1.5months and EPF contribution (comapny) higher. Since i need to serve 3 months notice which is freaking long, this MNC willing to pay for 1 month and wait me 2 months but need to bond me for half year.

My concern now is now oledi July, few more months i will entitled to increment which make my salary around RM2.9k and year end bonus (not sure how many months). If i jump now, i will lose those. Now my increment from job hopping is not even touch 20% which i consider quite less..
So now in dilemma wnt to jump or not..sorry for the long input..some of the info too long for me to type here..

Thanks.
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hahaha i think we work at the same company...lol
coz all the terms sound the same to me...lol
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post Jul 7 2006, 08:43 AM

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Ur new company's Mxxxxxxx ar? ahhahahaha
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post Jul 7 2006, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(hfmea @ Jul 7 2006, 08:43 AM)
Ur new company's Mxxxxxxx ar? ahhahahaha
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hahaha....it seem tht the M company hiring many ppl rclxms.gif
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post Jul 7 2006, 09:00 AM

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ya lor, M hiring a lot of ppl...

EnterYourName, just move on... Congrad...
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post Jul 7 2006, 09:19 AM

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I can even know/sense "EnterYourName" is someone's new account... tongue.gif
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post Jul 7 2006, 09:32 AM

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Don't think that the grass is greener on the other side, becareful as now in the current company you are a confirmed employee while the new company you need to go through an evaluation of normally 3 months. What if they decidede that they don't need you after 3 months? Then what you are going to do? MNC is good but then usually they are large and ist not easy to climb the ladder there. Just my 2 cents
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QUOTE(alextan99 @ Jul 7 2006, 09:32 AM)
Don't think that the grass is greener on the other side, becareful as now in the current company you are a confirmed employee while the new company you need to go through an evaluation of normally 3 months. What if they decidede that they don't need you after 3 months? Then what you are going to do? MNC is good but then usually they are large and ist not easy to climb the ladder there. Just my 2 cents
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haiz....
like tht one mah...it doesnt matter u climb or not...as long as your $$ is gud then shud be happy ady...

if i give u senior engineer...but salary only RM3K...will u be happy?
with all the shit workloads pass to u....
but if u manage to climb up in a MNC...thts mean u r gud...
compare to a place tht everyone leaving/resign...then the boss have to promote u coz there no other senior to be promo.wanna say out to your fren u been promote also paiseh lar.


 

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