The Cukai Pintu or Assessment Rate issue has been getting a lot of attention, as well as a fair bit of misinformation.

We are here to explain the Assessment Rate/Cukai Pintu issue by going back to basics.

If you have any questions concerning the Cukai Pintu/ Assessment Rate issue, please feel free to ask us.

You represent who to asnwer us?

Can elaborate what is this cukai all about? I know we pay for the cleaning service, cut grass etc. Other than that?

it will be more credible if you can shed some light on your background.

nevertheless, i'll play along.

do enlighten us on whether the blogger have stated accurately and correctly on matters pertaining to KL assessment rates.

1st post:
http://www.tongkooiong.com/2013/12/dbkl-as...s-and_1247.html

and 2nd post:
http://www.tongkooiong.com/2013/12/dbkl-as...ies-and_28.html

thank you.

Let him explain mar, purposely register to help us leh... so sincere.

For an as-yet incomplete list, you can go to mykl.com.my and see DBKL's function there.

We are an online team set up to clarify this issue. Our Twitter handle is @MyKLTalks and our FB is fb.com/mykltalks . The website is www [dot] mykl [dot] com [dot] my

He has a few points which are correct and the formula seems legit.

However, if you have a specific question, you may ask us or go to mykl.com.my/en/faq.html

This post has been edited by MyKLTalks: Jan 6 2014, 10:23 PM

Can i start with few layman question?

1. DBKL said increase to raise fund because long time dint raise and short of fund, but in my mind, many new high rise is built and the fund is increase tremendously as well, is that any other reason?

2. Why high rise assessment fees as expensive as landed property? all the unit use same piece of land and should divide equally which i don't think can cost so much.

3. After raise the fund, it means will improve my surround environment? For a very common folks, we expected DBKL take initial to improve surround landscape / road maintenance / etc. Can you decrease your assessment rate if nothing doing to my area?

Thanks.

Thanks for asking!

Before I answer these questions, let's get a few things straight so we are all on the same page.

To say the Cukai Pintu is increased is not entirely true. The Annual Value is increased and the Assessment Rate Percentage is decreased.

The formula for amount of Cukai Pintu or Assessment Rate paid is this: Cukai Pintu or Assesment Rate = Annual Value or Nilai Tahunan X Assessment Rate Percentage.

One factor goes up and another one goes down. Some owners will pay less and some will pay more, depending on how much the increase of their Annual Value as compared to the decrease in Assessment Rate Percentage.

Now, on to your questions:

1. There are two components to your question. First is the last time there was an Annual Value revision was in 1992. All this while, all these properties were charged the Assessment Rate based on that old value. Since then, the value of these properties have increased. So when there is a revision, 21 years later on any property, of course the value goes up. The second component is the increasing cost to cover the increasing operating expenditure and development expenditure. Yes, cost has increased and even with more property units paying Assessment Rate, it is not enough to cover the shortfall.

2. More people staying in KL whether in high-rise property or landed ones means more strain on the upkeep and maintenance of facilities and amenities. For example, roads - City Hall spent a lot just to maintain roads. If more people use them, then the maintenance cost would also soar.

3. Yes, as outlined in the Annual Budget Speech by the Mayor, there are many plans with the funds to improve and upgrade existing facilities and amenities with the aim to make and maintain KL as a world class city.

Any other questions, please ask us or engage us on Twitter (@mykltalks), FB: fb.com/mykltalks and our website: mykl.com.my

This post has been edited by MyKLTalks: Jan 6 2014, 04:47 PM

Sorry Mr. MyKLTalks, i cant get ur link "mykl.com.my/faq" ; the URL /faq was not found on this server.

it is good that we know more about the DBKL function, would u pls elaborate more on the penyelenggaraan bangunan, jalan dan taman-taman. Since we are paying for it, is it the process of awarded the contract for maintenance works is transparent? The way for us to know the yearly financial report/ account auditing report?

I'm having a problem with the current condition for the road, it is always cause damage to my car absorber & suspension and if the road condition cause car accident is DBKL the right entity for me to submit the claim on my loses? i.e. unclear sign board, street lighting not functioning and pothole.

There are part of the money going for perbelanjaan persembahan kebudayaan dan aktiviti rekreasi so are we have the right to request the type of perembahan for any religion and culture in KL as we are multi races and culture country?

In that case could you please explain

1. What is the justification for the increase, cost from 1992 - 2014. Cost has increased granted but by how many %? and of that cost how much is actually used for maintenance as per increase in yoy cost? You can't tell me cost has increased by 10% then turn around and give the datuk bandar big fat bonus (of course cost is going to increase la)

2. The reason why our roads cost so much to maintain is because the job is not done properly in the first place and secondly there is not stop korek korek korek everyday also korek like our roads have gold underneath. But if maintaining the roads is such a high cost what pray tell is costing so much? (paving? tar? labor?)

3. I hope I live to see the day KL can be considered a world class city but at the moment the gripe seems to be with wastages, corruption and just total lack of trust that the funds would be put to good use. Anyway you said some would pay more some would pay less, could you please elaborate with an example.

Thanks.

So do you represent DBKL or a consultancy company representing DBKL or are you independent party with no relation to DBKL. We need to ascertain your credibility. TQVM

Still the amount charged for condo unit are way too expensive just for road maintenance. Most of the maintenance is covered by the management of the condo thru the maintenance fee.

Apologies. Here is the full link: http://mykl.com.my/en/faq.html

We will bring you more information as soon as possible on the expenditure. However, should you want to know more, you can download the DBKL Mayor's budget speech here: http://www.dbkl.gov.my/index.php?option=co...id=1231&lang=ms

If you have any complaints concerning roads maintenance, you can contact DBKL at:

DEWAN BANDARAYA KUALA LUMPUR
Menara DBKL 1, Jalan Raja Laut, 50350 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Talian Am: +603 2617 9000
Call Centre: 1 800 88 3255
Faks: +603 26980460
E-mel: dbkl@dbkl.gov.my

As for the third part of your question, yes, you can request for these performances and send a letter of suggestion to DBKL at the aforementioned address.

Road maintenance is just an example. Each KL resident throws half a ton or 500kg of garbage a year. City Hall spent almost RM200 million in 2013 to clear garbage alone.

More people also means they will use public parks, hawker centers, sports halls, courts, etc.

The sheer number of people will increase the operating cost for everything City Hall does to maintain the city.

We have top class road specification but lousy supervision during construction and tutup mata when accept those inferior quality works.
We have top standard & guide line for KL city but lousy planning and the plan always in changing, that why always korek korek and korek.
We always look for world class but eventually not lasting long maybe just few months in world class condition coz of poor in maintenance. Reason too expensive for the maintenance cost.

Thx, for the kind information. So how about the claim on loses?

More people also means they will use public parks, hawker centers, sports halls, courts, etc.

my place apa pun takda, i stay here more than 10 years, nothing is improve.

sudah lah..

1. The increase is for the Annual Value. The Annual Value is based on the total annual rental rate. The rent in 1992 is lower than 2013, therefore the Annual Value revision is reflecting the current market rental rates for the properties. This Annual Value is one of the factors which determine Cukai Pintu paid. For the future projection of Income Vs Expenditure for City Hall to maintain KL, please go to http://mykl.com.my/en/why.html

2. If you have anything you wish to complain about DBKL operations, please contact them:

DEWAN BANDARAYA KUALA LUMPUR
Menara DBKL 1, Jalan Raja Laut, 50350 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Talian Am: +603 2617 9000
Call Centre: 1 800 88 3255
Faks: +603 26980460
E-mel: dbkl@dbkl.gov.my

3. Yes, KL as a world class city is achievable. Some would pay more or some would pay less this year for Assessment Rate. Here are two real world examples:

A. A medium-cost apartment in Kepong.

Old Annual Value: RM9,000
Old Assessment Rate Percentage (Residential): 6%
Old Assessment Rate paid: RM540

New Annual Value: RM12,000
New Assessment Rate Percentage (Residential): 4%
New Assessment Rate paid: RM480

So this is a decrease of RM60.

B. Vacant Land - Commercial in Bukit Bintang

Old Annual Value: RM2,226,500
Old Assessment Rate Percentage (Vacant Lot - Commercial): 10%
Old Assessment Rate paid: RM222,650

New Annual Value: RM7,634,000
New Assessment Rate Percentage (Vacant Lot - Commercial): 7%
New Assessment Rate paid: RM534,380

Increase of RM311,730

For the case studies, please go to: http://mykl.com.my/en/how.html

MyKLTalks, why your are here. is it because during year end gathering at dataran merdeka. your dato bandar gets the BIG BOO from the audience.

city hall spent a lot just to maintain roads. we as rakyat spents TOO MUCH pay for tolls in federal territory alone lols..

how can you say road maintainance is expensive. whereby most of federal roads are handed over to toll concessionaries. when they easily enjoy collecting $$$ from rakyat. whereby it's should be their role and responsibilities to help DBKL upkeep the roads. rather than roads to their toll plaza(s).

sigh, nothing is ever equal

They did improve facilities for a certain place, using a big sum of money, benefiting just a portion of people, but everyone is paying the equal sum

Actually, DBKL maintains 2,010km of roads in KL and they constantly build new ones.

The roads you are referring to are expressways and highways. Tolls, highways and expressways are another matter, handled by other entities.

That's because DBKL overpaid to Alam Flora for garbage disposal. Why not go direct garbage contractors by passing the crony?

The sheer amount of garbage is staggering. 912,500 metric tonnes of garbage a year. Plus costs for landfills, etc. Regardless of which company DBKL engages, the cost would remain the same to move literally mountains of rubbish.

What we can do is lessen the burden of the city by not throwing too much garbage. Perhaps a reduce, reuse, recycle mentality could help?

If you have any feedback concerning DBKL operations, or any suggestions concerning how they operate, please contact them:

DEWAN BANDARAYA KUALA LUMPUR
Menara DBKL 1, Jalan Raja Laut, 50350 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Talian Am: +603 2617 9000
Call Centre: 1 800 88 3255
Faks: +603 26980460
E-mel: dbkl@dbkl.gov.my

I have a question here. I read that the for commercial properties the assessment rate is decreased from 12% to 10 %. But my commercial property ( 2 1/2 storey shop ) since first day bought from developer 6 7 years ago only have assessment rate 10%. So is DBKL going to reduce my assessment rate after now the Annual Value has been up 200 %....Unless the Annual value is revised down otherwise i will still feel that it is highly unjustified even if DBKL reduce my assessment rate to say 8 %...

Actually, your property is perhaps outside a 36-mile radius from the city center. This is why your previous Assessment rate percentage was 10 %.

The good news is - yes, for Commercial properties outside the 36-mile radius from the city center, the New Assessment rate Percentage is 8%.

The Proposed Annual Value under the revision is now up for appeal with DBKL. Have you submitted an objection by Dec 17 2013? DBKL received 153,000 objection letters by the deadline.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/public-hearin...t-hike-1.456296

Here is the latest news coverage on the public hearings for the Annual Value Revision by DBKL

There is also a special incentive for OKUs/The disabled, retirees and owner-occupied properties.

You can apply for an even further reduction to the Assessment Rate. The forms are available at DBKL Payment Counters

Frankly before the revision of the assessment, most of annual value are under estimated.
I think the issue is not bout the amount of money pay, house owners are generally angry with the revision due to lack of transparency and efficiency of the Majlis Perbadanan, fr Top to bottom, the whole country are full of corruption scandals, we will judge fr our naked eye how efficient is the gomen.
With the cheap air fare nowadays, Malaysian are so frequent traveling to other developed countries, they can compare other country to our own country on how the gomen spend their money, Taiwan for example, their population is bout 80% of Malaysia, buy they only need 1/3 of our gomen servant to maintain the country, the result is at least 300% better than our in terms maintaining the city and public amenities, in view of this, I would say Taiwan gomen performs 900% better than ours.
If we can save 2/3 of the manpower, consider their salary is RM1,000/mth, M'sia can save up to RM20 billions a year!
In another word,
Our local gomen can hv extra RM54.7 mil to spend in a day!!

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Jan 6 2014, 07:12 PM

My assessment is 3.15 times higher, so with reductions of assessment tax from 6% to 4% the assessment tax is still 2.1 times higher, since my property is solely for my own stay & no intention to sell, how could I gain from the increased in assessment payment ? the rubbish collection & conditions of the road in my taman is pretty much the same no improvement over the year or shall I said as below par as or used to be, so how am I able to justify apart from payment more for same.

I do hope our mayor r allow to be elected rather then choosen same go our local council, so that we rakyat jelata who had pay more r allow to choose who we think best suited for the job.

We hope mykltalk is open minded & allows freedom of speech & offcoz freedom after the speech as well.

I would appreciate if this topic can be productive in response to the recent hike in assessment fee. Therefore we should try and avoid venting too much frustration on the displease about the ruling government or political parties.

Pls be factual in presenting points, queries or clarifications. the moderating team will be removing posts that are deemed non constructive.

Thanks.

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p/s: Topic pinned.

Btw, they are an agency representing DBKL and not from DBKL themselves.

This post has been edited by b00n: Jan 6 2014, 07:57 PM

i have submit my complaint to dbkl about my mun areas rubbish not being clean glass not being cut and road not being repair.

Submit 3 times

already 6 months from first submit.

still no feedback.

what is the use u keep ask us to feedback to dbkl?

Another question ya.

If let said the taman glass not cut. Tree no trim. Rubish not collected. Can we hire someone do the work and bill to dbkl?

let said the value up now
what if during recession the value drop? Will dbkl pay us back cukai that we pay?

Arr can I ask u a simple Q. Wat bout those dbkl kacao kacao biz owners asking kopi lui. Can call up dbkl ofis ask for refund of biz license ga???

Eg. Longkang not clean bcos those sapu lantai Alwiz sapu leaves into longkang. Then dbkl bargers come n ask for kopi lui otw giv saman. How ar???

I reckon u hav an idea to deal with it rite??? Apa dbkl mau lagi???

Expenses so high dunno how to cope ar. Step down lo. Or close down lo. Let the rakyats do it lo. Maybe save more lui n can buy macili like LGE ma. Butul ga ah Mr. Apa kl???

This post has been edited by ManutdGiggs: Jan 6 2014, 09:27 PM

In your case, as an owner who stays at his/her own property, you can apply for a special incentive - a further reduction in Assessment Rate amount you have to pay.

To apply, you can get the form from a DBKL Payment Counter.

Under the law (Local Government Act 1976, if I'm not mistaken), DBKL can revise the Annual Value every five years and charge a maximum of 35% across the board.

Should the value of properties change in the future - for example a drop in property prices and/or rental rates - then City Hall can do another Annual Value Revision.

Under the law can....but the question is will city hall do?

Under the law city hall should clean road. Collect rubish. Not corrupt. But city hall do the terbalik. How ah?

If you have any evidence to back your claims, you can either report to DBKL using the information we supplied above or send it over to projectmykl@gmail.com for us to forward to our clients.

There is also the MACC and PDRM.

For operations conducted by DBKL, if you find any unsatisfactory performance or negligence, you can either report to DBKL, or get one of the media outlets (either mainstream or alternative) to highlight it.

Apologies, but the scope of this campaign does not cover MACC or PDRM. However, the usual protocol is for parties (individuals, groups, companies or any entities) to submit a report to the authorities.

If you - as a concerned citizen - feels the matter warrants the attention of the authorities, it is prudent to lodge a report as soon as it is convenient for you.

This is a step-by-step page from the MACC:

http://www.sprm.gov.my/laporkan-rasuah.html

And this is the PDRM directory for phone numbers and emails to all divisions:

http://www.rmp.gov.my/db2.cfm?path=contact...=20&con=0&dis=1


From DBKL's perspective, any and all reasonable reports or objections are heard, as with the case of the 153,000 objections to the proposed Annual Value Revision.

DBKL is currently holding a special public hearing for all 153,000 cases of objections filed to them. This process may take three months.

Again, let me remind all to focus on the assessment hike issue!
This is the last warning!

MyKLTalks
Surveying is done by JPPH? i.e. Jabatan Penilaian Dan Perkhidmatan Harta? Or DBKL own survey department?

If by DBKL own survey department, how do we validate versus official JPPH survey or any other certified property valuation company?

Also, would DBKL advise on the actual valued value of one's said property?

Why such question is because your laid down the formula to be: Annual Value or Nilai Tahunan X Assessment Rate Percentage.
So without knowing the "Annual Value" how does us general consumer know whether the it is a fair value?!

This post has been edited by b00n: Jan 6 2014, 10:38 PM

It was also reported by my mun that same row of house in kepong.

some have lower value and some have higher.

It was also speculate the chinese areas value are put higher compare none chinese areas.

this is race discremination by dbkl if it is true

The valuation process is a popular question. Here is how it was done:

The valuation started in January 2013 by the JPPH. A group of Valuation Officers did the assessment based on built-up area or lot area. Aside from that, the department conducted the research using these sources:

'rental survey';
Classified ads in newspapers and online;
Property market reports;
Owner’s Return form;
Sales transactions;
Tenancy agreements.

The department also consulted the Ministry of Finance's own JABATAN PENILAIAN DAN PERKHIDMATAN HARTA to get values of certain properties.

On Nov 18 2013, owners would have received a notice alerting them of the proposed new annual value of their property.

The owners then have the chance to challenge or object to the new proposed value according to the revision.

A total 153,000 objection letters were ultimately received by DBKL and these 153,000 objections are now undergoing a public hearing process with DBKL.

You can read all this here:

http://www.mykl.com.my/en/how.html under Annual Value Revision 2014 button


For FAQs, you can go here:

http://www.mykl.com.my/en/faq.html

This post has been edited by MyKLTalks: Jan 6 2014, 10:47 PM

No, it is not true. There is no race discrimination when DBKL was conducting the Annual Value Revision. Should you believe any form of unfair discrimination has been committed, please report to DBKL using the information we have provided above.

Wat bout my own use factory vs my next door factory for rental???

One for my biz one for tenant use. But both oso same same naik 246% on valuation. So own use can ask for reduction. Rental 1 depend on how much yield?

How to calculate the valuation vs rental return???

I believe this factually not correct because in your website which you suggested me to click, it stated:
"A group of valuation officers from DBKL’s Property Management and Valuation Department have come up with a new Annual Value for each property"

i.e. these are local council's valuation department. Unless you are telling me they report back to JPPH for total country aggregation? Can you pls confirm again?

btw, my property is in Selangor hence not affected. So am just throwing out possible queries which may be useful to all.

I believe the special incentive is for residential properties. Factories are not residential units.

The Annual Value rental formula is simple.

Annual Value = Monthly Rental Value X 12.

If the rent is RM1,000 per month, the annual value is RM12,000.

If the rent is RM1 million per month, the annual value is RM12 million.

How u back that it is not true?

the valuation is done by your officer.

will u published the areas valuation in domain web to clear no race discrimination? Open n transparent

This post has been edited by tikaram: Jan 6 2014, 10:58 PM

Don't think they have access. They are just a social media agency or probably consultancy company engaged by DBKL to do an online campaign to address and inform on how Assessment Fee works.

So you are asking for the moon nor did you read my earlier post.

The DBKL has its own Jabatan Penilaian dan Pengurusan Harta (JPPH) and the MoF has its own Jabatan Penilaian dan Perkhidmatan Harta (also JPPH).

The valuation was conducted by officers from DBKL's JPPH for the majority of the properties using the methods outlined in the previous post. They also consulted the MoF's JPPH on the values of some properties.

No worries if your property is in Selangor. We appreciate these questions so we can clear any confusion.

Boss u hav not answered le. I accepted ur explanation on rental part. Wat bout own use w/o rental??? How to justified???

% on biz revenue or on biz gross profit or on biz nett profit???

Or just pandai pandai throw guli pluck numbers???

Just curious and guess u r the rite man to provide the answer.

Not all the material is up yet, but for a projected expenditure vs revenue for DBKL WITHOUT this Annual Value Revision exercise, you can click on the button "Rising Cost" here :

http://www.mykl.com.my/en/why.html

So now, the issued would be again back to my initial question. How do we ascertained DBKL's valuation matches MOF's valuation?

So based on the Annual Valuation notice given by DBKL, should one go and purchase Annual Property Market Report from MOF's JPPH (which contains detailed scheme valuation report) to assess whether the value are comparable?!

My personal belief is not enough transparency because how many guys out there know of such reports or have access to such information to dispute what might or might not be questionable?! That is why everyone is irked when the mayor says out of xxxx populations, only yyyy objected. Because the other zzzz might not understand all this thing. Even more so for those without access to the internet.

My personal opinion is City Hall should be transparent enough to quote sources in their notices so everyone is well informed.

This post has been edited by b00n: Jan 6 2014, 11:07 PM

For Annual Value, there are:

1. Land with buildings on it - Annual Value is an estimate of the gross yearly annual rental rate from the buildings.

For example, if a property is estimated to have a monthly rental rate of RM1,000 a month, the Annual Value is RM12,000.

ANNUAL VALUE = MONTHLY RENTAL RATE X 12 MONTHS

2. Vacant land - The Annual Value is 10% of the Market Value of the land.

For example, if the market value of your vacant lot is RM500,000, its Annual Value is RM50,000.

ANNUAL VALUE = TOTAL MARKET VALUE X 10%


For properties that have buildings on it but is not rented, the Annual Value is calculated from similar properties in the area.

For example, if a condominium has four blocks and three are fully rented out and one has zero tenants. Units in that block will have an annual value similar to other units in the same area.

Location is a prime factor in indicating value, so references are made to surrounding properties.

If any owner believes that their annual value is incorrect, they could have submitted an objection to DBKL upon receiving the notice. A total 153,000 have done so and are now undergoing the process of public hearing.

I believe us with the likes of Sikit2JadiBukit is not interested in "general" numbers. Eg. Operating expenses as stated, what does it includes? Development Expenditure - what does it includes? See.. for Other income sources*, they did put down details albeit vague: "Other income sources include selling DBKL’s own assets, collecting development fees from development projects within KL, tapping into DBKL’s own cash reserves as well as Government grants.".

But again, I doubted you would have the liberty of disclosing the nitty gritty to us, the general public.

Dear all, pls be reminded to be "civil".
Hopefully we get more insights into this matter.

Am off to bed.

Any reference from the MoF's JPPH can be used as a basis for objection to DBKL during the public hearing which is conducted starting today (Monday).

Any third party evaluation (other than Government agencies) can also be used, but it is also up to the process and the hearing committee to accept or reject such valuations.

Actually, all the details on income and expenditure for the current year and before are all available in the Mayor's Budget speeches here:

http://www.dbkl.gov.my/index.php?option=co...id=1231&lang=en

The projection is based on previous years' income and expenditure for DBKL, extrapolating each factor and plotting its trajectory as a whole.

This format is a challenge to the professionalism of the way bank's valuation method. It's contradicting.

Anw tq for ur unconvincing method.

This post has been edited by ManutdGiggs: Jan 6 2014, 11:21 PM

If you do believe that some injustice has been done in terms of race discrimination, please inform DBKL or us using the information provided earlier.

Thank you. Probably it will be wise to have a source link so ppl like me would not be asking similar question i.e. pointed to one link then need to clarify before getting another link.

Just an input.

Okai... paiseh paiseh...

This is for land with no buildings on it. Your objection is duly noted. Should you feel strongly about the matter, please write a letter to DBKL using the information provided earlier.

Understood. The earlier link is to simplify the projection for the next five years based on our findings and DBKL as a source.

It is possible to gain similar insight using DBKL's past budgets as a source, which I have provided.

Slight correction. Many banks leave the valuation job and methodology to certified professional valuation company which is governed by the board of valuers. So whatever valuation methodology used by those valuers might not be known to the bank. However I think a lot follows the same methodology used by UK surveyors since we were once colonized by them, eg our common law also links back to UK common law.

lets put aside highway and expressways.. look at cheras toll, jln Ipoh toll and jln Pahang toll. it had been decades we are paying travelling here from. what difference is that except road widening mar.

Noted boss.

Actually, the cost to handle garbage for 2013 was RM199.7 million. And that is not the only operating cost for City Hall. There are rivers, drainage, hawker centers, sports halls, recreational courts, 19 public parks and over 70,000 public housing units, to name a few under City Hall's care.

KL has 2,010km worth of roads. We do not have the stats for Cyberjaya, but it is expected to be less.

Yes, there has been an increase in income from the past 21 years due to the increasing number of property units. However, this also means there is an increasing number of people in KL.

In fact, officially, KL now has 1.6 million residents which makes up a total 2.2 million working here every day.

This high number of people puts a strain on the city's facilities and amenities. Thus, maintenance costs rise with the addition of more people.

KL is also the capital of Malaysia, which means it strives to be the best city and provide the best facilities and amenities. This requires a huge amount of money as disclosed in the mayor's annual budget speeches.

This post has been edited by MyKLTalks: Jan 6 2014, 11:30 PM

When more high rises are built, mean less flat lands to be taken care of. More so when high rises consist of more units per acre means higher income collecting vs less area to maintain. Furthermore strata high rises have their own maintenance team which do not need any help from dbkl. I find no reason they increase the burden of rakyats just for their own benefit.

Btw do you mean more population caused more rubbish that's why dbkl needs more money??? But still dun see a cleaner kl. And what did dbkl do to stop flash flood??? Perancang that dun rancang???

Ok how about of the RM199.7 million spent in 2013 to handle garbage how was this money used? Which part of KL required the most expenditure, which part of garbage collection is outsourced, how many trucks need to be in operation. If the root cost of rising cost is INEFFICIENCY then DBKL is just passing the buck right. Nowadays we are expected to do more with less, so why can't DBKL.

you must be kidding me, go to KL town are for example petaling street. u see a lot of foreigners, beggers, kutu-rayau and illegal aliens stray along the area. those sampah masyarakat tarnish the area making life difficult for shop owners. not forgetting adding burdens to DBKL to maintain the infra. they steal, rob, destroy public ammenities. they also urinate at residence and commercial areas. making hell of stench for all. yet unfair residence are paying on their behalf. they collect money from dbkl parking lots. whereby we already paid and those freaks scrathes our cars and puncture our tyres. this is seriously alarming bad.

why not dbkl enforcement officers come nab them all. show no mercy and teach them a lesson they never forget. the govt has to do their part also to deprive them from coming back.

It is not just rubbish, which eats into 14% of City Hall's budget last year. There are numerous other things that needs to be taken care of, such as roads, rivers, traffic systems, pedestrian walks, public parks, recreational centers, sports halls, etc.

The electricity bill for traffic lights alone costs over RM12 million.

And that is just maintenance.

City Hall or DBKL also develops the city. Last year, DBKL built 35 roads at a cost of over RM170 million. That's just roads. There are many other things that are being built and are part of the development cost.

All DBKL accounts are audited. If you have any tangible evidence as to inefficiency, please lodge a complaint to DBKL using the information we have provided earlier.

You can raise this issue and report any of these incursions against justice and the country's laws to DBKL using the information we have provided above.

We agree that destroying public facilities and amenities will cause the cost to maintain the city to go higher. The public can also help by instilling a strong sense of civic duty in order to combat vandalism.

What evidence do you want? Take a look around and open your eyes, the main angst on the hike is because many people perceive DBKL to be incompetent and inefficient by providing an inadequate level of service.

I am telling you DBKL is inefficient, you tell me to lodge report.

I am not asking you whether or not their accounts are audited, I am asking you how was the money spent? Instead of raising the cukai is it not possible DBKL can reduce their costs?

After the elections, the roads around my house were all nicely done up. Thanks to DBKL for that.

However, a lot of drain covers are missing and this is dangerous to pedestrians. Don't DBKL have some one to do checks on this ? I am talking about a major roads ie Jalan Ampang itself and not some small road far from city centre.

Along Jalan Raja Chulan in front of Pavillion, tourist buses always park by the road side even during rush hours.
I know Pavillion has parking spot for tourist buses but it is not used for these buses.
For the sake of say 120 tourist from say 3 buses to go shopping, thousands of Malaysian cars has to endure a jam as the buses reduce the road by one lane.
I have called SPAD and complained before but it is still happening.
Is this the responsibility of the traffic police, SPAD of DBKL to ensure the tourist buses are not blocking the road ?
When you go to other countries like Singapore and Hong Kong the tour buses dare not even stop too long on the road as they get fined.

Why is DBKL is slower than MPAJ to issue the assessment notice ? I have already paid the assessment for Jan to Jun 2014 for my property under MPAj but yet to receive the assessment notice from DBKL. Even the assessment for 1st half of 2013 was issued late.

Lastly, you mentioned that if I stay in the property then there is some discount but I have to write in. What documents is required to be submitted and what is the discount ?

Appreciate you clarification to the above.

PS I am quite happy with the new rates as I am paying less for assessment due to the reduction to 4%

Can you show some solid documents for the 170mil spent on building roads???

Otw it's just another empty talk.

Or do you know that many roads around all developments require the developers or land owners to bear the costs???

Anw thanks again for your not so convincing reply.

Btw I will suggest you get it right the the tnb bill before you continue. Please breakdown the figure / total street lamps. Then you will be surprise. If you know what I'm trying to tell you.

Such allegations would require documented proof. There are departments handling complaints within DBKL itself. You can help DBKL provide a better service by complaining to them officially and going through the proper channels.

You can find the statement on the 35 new roads here in the Mayor's budget speech for 2013:

http://www.dbkl.gov.my/penerbitan/ucapan_b...nbajet_2013.pdf

What are you trying to tell me?

like i already said the maintenance of dbkl public amenities are not properly done. if dbkl is upright in doing enforcement. the foreigners, kutu-rayau and illegal aliens won't have the guts to make KL a scary place for local residence to bear with. these sampah masyarakat are liability to dbkl. this is why how u give yourself hardtime. we pay dbkl parking also have to spent extra money to repair cars lols..

u think hike is justifyable. please do your homework. show us all the improvements made first.

MyKLTalks
Let me put this bluntly since we are of LYN moderating team.

LYN is an open forum for all walks of life to register an account to post, including you. So I would just like to say our forum should not be held liable in case someone intends to pursue defamation suit.

You should very well know what I meant


To the rest, probably pls be mindful and responsible on your posts

This post has been edited by b00n: Jan 7 2014, 12:06 AM

Boss I'm not in the position to tell you anything. Besides I hope you can tell us what we dunno.

Noted on the drain covers. DBKL does a routine check of all facilities, but in some instances, it would hasten the process if you call their hotline.

Usually, missing manhole covers are due to theft or damage.

Unsure on the buses issue. Perhaps another call to the DBKL hotline? This is perhaps under SPAD, though.

DBKL is a bit slower this year due to the Annual Value Revision process and public hearing of the objection. Last year, the focus was also spread on conducting the Annual Value Revision. There are 500,000 property units in KL to consider, plus the 153,000 objections.

Rest assured, the bills for Assessment Rate will arrive within this month.

Lastly, the document you are referring to is a special incentive form which you can get from DBKL Payment Counters. It has just been made available and we will share any information we get with the public on our website mykl.com.my, our fb page fb.com/mykltalks and through our Twitter account: @mykltalks

p/s: Owners will find that the new Assessment Rate will not be a burden. Some will see a reduction in Assessment Rate paid. Those who do see an increase will not be overly burdened, especially owners of residential property units.

There are some other announcements that will be made on the matter. Stay tuned.

Catch 22 isn't it? I tell you there is damning evidence DBKL is inefficient, you turn a blind eye and tell me to provide proof and tell me to report to a department within the organization which is inefficient in the first place. Aren't we just going round in circles now?

You throw out stats like RM199 million spent on collecting garbage, yet.. you can't even justify to me whether or not this RM199 million is a) necessary b) spent efficiently

Example:

Worker: Boss I need a raise, rising cost going up lah
Boss: Sure, but I have to tell you the quality of work is not up to standard, please improve you want to be recognized as world class right? you need to be more efficient too and spend wisely
Worker: Boss, please provide proof and write in and complain to my secretary kkk?

In tis case.

Boss = rakyat
Worker = dbkl

Understood. We (Mykltalks) have not defamed anyone here or beyond.

We are engaging the public with information from the source (DBKL) in the hopes of clarifying matters concerning Cukai Pintu as well as to share announcements.

Nevertheless, I understand your concerns. I would also like to join the LYN moderators in calling for moderation.

We deal with facts, not emotion. As with previous cases, anyone online should know and understand there are laws against libel (written defamation) and slander (verbal defamation).

Please keep it clean, everyone, and we will respond to requests for information with whatever stats, data and documents we have with us. We do not deal with conjecture or emotion other than compassion.

Our intention is merely to clarify points concerning this issue and forums are such vibrant places to do so - especially LYN.

You can get a more detailed explanation on the RM199.7 million matter from this source:

http://www.dbkl.gov.my/penerbitan/ucapan_b...nbajet_2013.pdf

That is the Mayor's budget speech for 2013. It's somewhere in the first quarter of that speech.

If you want to complain about inefficiencies, you may do so using methods suggested earlier. As with your example, there are protocols to be observed even when a boss deals with his workers, on all levels.

Complaints against DBKL using their Hotline will be noted or recorded and used to improve their services.

We're all in this together.

Anyway, we hope to bring you more information as several announcements are made. We will also update you on the objection process as well as any notices issued by DBKL.

MyKLTalks will conclude today's session at 1am. We will see you tomorrow around 10am.

Thanks to all who participated today. Your questions and queries are much appreciated. See you tomorrow!

Dear MYKL Talks, please stay in Sri Selangor Flat for 20 years (for you 20 days enough) then you will know what is efficiently and money is well spent ! Sinking Tar Road, Traffic Light see me and i don't see the light, Lift kill people and not to mention only one or none lift working at most of the time, walk staircase is nightmare with water dripping and always no light, walk corridor will have people throw rubbish sometimes washing machine tv orange apple nasi lemak and if you're lucky it just some wash feet water, parking car will get tayar pancit, parking motor will missing, playground occupied by drug trafficking aka dealer, rubbish house at the most corner and need to walk 15 minutes and it's full until roadside, there is kompleks perniagaan without chair, badminton hall with holes, and good thing is there's few more trees left at playground, advantages of doing more charity work because many old people not dare to go outside to buy food because the lift auto close when they go in with wheelchair.. and this is World Class experience... Maybe you can go Cheras in front of Warisan Cityview see people dig the same hole every two days once for few years.. I haven't mention the road to Jalan Ampang, outskirt of KL.. Dear DBKL Please reach to me, i'm available and please give all KL Citizens an affordable home, affordable road, affordable education, affordable goods and foods.. If i did not receive reply with 24 hours means you failed me.. Thank you..

Well, for affordable housing - there is Public Housing. DBKL currently provides 300,000 people (around 18% of the population) a place to stay at 76,367 public housing units with rental at only RM180++ per month.

These are the PPR and PA flats. You can go to DBKL and apply for one, if you are eligible.

Affordable education is another matter, under a ministry.

For affordable goods and food - there is the Kedai Rakyat 1Malaysia which sells goods and food at an average 30% less than regular market prices. But KR1M is also not under DBKL.

Actually, this campaign is more about the Assessment Rate and the Annual Value Revision.

For a full range of services provided by DBKL, please visit www.dbkl.gov.my

If my upper floor rent RM1000/month and my unit I rent it out Rm500 becos the younger sister very good looking.
Both unit are the same build up area. So can I declare a lower cukai pintu?

So this mykltalks are more like a PR for DBKL. Now I am interesting to know how much this project cost us.