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 Income Tax Issues v3, Anything related to Personal Income Tax

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nujikabane
post Apr 23 2014, 10:00 AM

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Hi guys, let say that I have started employment form 2008.
But only started to file for my income tax for this year
(i.e for last year's income).

Would I need to declare my salary for the previous years ?
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post Apr 23 2014, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(nujikabane @ Apr 23 2014, 10:00 AM)
Hi guys, let say that I have started employment form 2008.
But only started to file for my income tax for this year
(i.e for last year's income).

Would I need to declare my salary for the previous years ?
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post Apr 23 2014, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(aylwyn paul @ Apr 23 2014, 08:17 AM)
under one tax reutrn
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So which income do I fill in for my 'No. Majikan'?
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post Apr 23 2014, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(J_pandapuppet @ Apr 23 2014, 01:19 AM)
Hi. I really need help and advise on this one.  sad.gif

I’m a legal tax payer. However, I never look as submitting forms is important every year because to what I understand, since my payslip had deducted the amount of tax to the govt. it should be fine. Like what is there to declare if I did not owe government anything? So I was totally wrong about it and misunderstood. I even misunderstood the EPF and tax part. My colleagues do make noise everytime submitting tax, and the impression they gave me they just wanna claim some money back. To me, I am fine, it's better the govt. had the money from me than I owe them plus I really hate paperwork. You may ask why my HR/Admin never brief or at least tell me? I do not want to put the blame to my HR/Admins though I’ve asked some several people that they do have responsible to at least explain the importance of submitting tax forms every year when my salary had reach the certain tax amount.

Now after I acknowledged the importance I am actually gathering all my EA forms and other documents to file to the tax. I checked with Hasil and my Tax No. also existed (my tax no. never appear in my EA form because it's under pending but they still receive tax from my earning every year). And I just registered to e-filing. So my questions is that according to my pay I should have start submitting my tax forms since 2009 but I did not do that. If I plan to do it and submit it now, will I go to jail? I am not even doing a full time job anymore and trying to do my own business but I've decided it's better I do my tax now since it's important.

Should I really go ahead submitting my tax? The fine is RM200 (min) to RM2,000 (max) or spend some time squatting in prison (not exceeding 6 months). I've calculated that from my tax I might can redeem from 700-a thousand every yr. If it's penalty judge by every year I guess I need to really eat wind. I don't plan to buy any property in this few years though.

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Try to submit last year and see if LHDN ask you to declare other years or not. Try to slow talk with them when they send you a letter. It can avoid you to pay penalty but the amount you owe still have to pay.

QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 23 2014, 06:23 AM)
@J_pandapuppet, you can put back-dated incomes from previous years at first page under "Pendapatan Tahun Kebelakangan Yang Belum Dilaporkan".

Since you have actually paid the tax via monthly PCB deduction and if you don't have any business income, I don't see the big deal. In the case of being audited, you can bring along the previous EA forms to support your case.
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Not the case, you still need to do the paper works. As PCB usually are deducted based on gross income. Especially if you have some side incomes(OT or bonus), then it will affect your PCB calculations also. Like mine, this month I only pay rm400 of PCB, next month I may need to pay rm3000 of PCB, just becuase of OT and bonus bank in together.
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post Apr 23 2014, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 23 2014, 10:30 AM)
Try to submit last year and see if LHDN ask you to declare other years or not. Try to slow talk with them when they send you a letter. It can avoid you to pay penalty but the amount you owe still have to pay.

Not the case, you still need to do the paper works. As PCB usually are deducted based on gross income. Especially if you have some side incomes(OT or bonus), then it will affect your PCB calculations also. Like mine, this month I only pay rm400 of PCB, next month I may need to pay rm3000 of PCB, just becuase of OT and bonus bank in together.
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The EA form will have each of the details including OT and taxable fixed allowance. This is the only proof or paper work for employment income and I did mention in my post "if you don't have any business income".

If you have business income, this will be out of scope.

For filing back dated incomes, you're not allowed to claim for relieves.

Let the tax officer perform the assessment, he or she may be called for a coffee session at the tax office.
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post Apr 23 2014, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 23 2014, 10:36 AM)
The EA form will have each of the details including OT and taxable fixed allowance. This is the only proof or paper work for employment income and I did mention in my post "if you don't have any business income".

If you have business income, this will be out of scope.

For filing back dated incomes, you're not allowed to claim for relieves.

Let the tax officer perform the assessment, he or she may be called for a coffee session at the tax office.
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Rebet and reliefs are our EPF, insurance, books that we bought. Or some have bought house also entitled for extra rm10000. This is all PCB never calculate before. That's why we need to fill in the e-filling
I got missed out rm6000 of EPF, ended up I need to pay rm1500 extra on top of PCBs I paid.
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post Apr 23 2014, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 23 2014, 10:40 AM)
Rebet and reliefs are our EPF, insurance, books that we bought. Or some have bought house also entitled for extra rm10000. This is all PCB never calculate before. That's why we need to fill in the e-filling
I got missed out rm6000 of EPF, ended up I need to pay rm1500 extra on top of PCBs I paid.
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Do you think that I'm THAT stupid and not aware of those things?

I'm talking about "Pendapatan Tahun Kebelakangan Yang Belum Dilaporkan" and NOT about current year of assessment. How many times that I have been stressing this.

Under "Pendapatan Tahun Kebelakangan Yang Belum Dilaporkan" section, you can only put "Jenis Pendapatan", "Bayaran Pada Tahun", "Amaun Kasar" and "Caruman Kumpulan Wang".

As I mentioned earlier that, when you're filing for un-filed back dated or previous years income, you're not allowed to claim for relieves.

If you have BUSINESS INCOME, that is another separate different discussion.

This post has been edited by David83: Apr 23 2014, 10:48 AM
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post Apr 23 2014, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 23 2014, 10:30 AM)
Try to submit last year and see if LHDN ask you to declare other years or not. Try to slow talk with them when they send you a letter. It can avoid you to pay penalty but the amount you owe still have to pay.
Not the case, you still need to do the paper works. As PCB usually are deducted based on gross income. Especially if you have some side incomes(OT or bonus), then it will affect your PCB calculations also. Like mine, this month I only pay rm400 of PCB, next month I may need to pay rm3000 of PCB, just becuase of OT and bonus bank in together.
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YOU SUBMIT YOUR 2013 INCOME .THEN PREVIOUS BUAT TAK TAU DULU COS THEY WILL IMPOSED PENALTY ON PREVIOUS YEAR UNLESS YOUR SALARY HAVE DEDUCTED PCB AND PCB OVER DEDUCTED
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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 23 2014, 10:46 AM)
Do you think that I'm THAT stupid and not aware of those things?

I'm talking about "Pendapatan Tahun Kebelakangan Yang Belum Dilaporkan" and NOT about current year of assessment. How many times that I have been stressing this.

Under "Pendapatan Tahun Kebelakangan Yang Belum Dilaporkan" section, you can only put "Jenis Pendapatan", "Bayaran Pada Tahun", "Amaun Kasar" and "Caruman Kumpulan Wang".

As I mentioned earlier that, when you're filing for un-filed back dated or previous years income, you're not allowed to claim for relieves.

If you have BUSINESS INCOME, that is another separate different discussion.
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I always have back dated payment from my company. EPF I can't put as already > rm6000, but PCB you need to include that on the filling year also.
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post Apr 23 2014, 11:16 AM

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Just to clarify,
Should the income is less than the thrsehold,
then there would be no need to submit filing?
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post Apr 23 2014, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(nujikabane @ Apr 23 2014, 11:16 AM)
Just to clarify,
Should the income is less than the thrsehold,
then there would be no need to submit filing?
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normally is like that , but to play save go to irb show them your ea form to have the confirmation from them(in black n white)
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post Apr 23 2014, 11:49 AM

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^ many thanks for the reply!
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post Apr 23 2014, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 23 2014, 10:30 AM)
Try to submit last year and see if LHDN ask you to declare other years or not. Try to slow talk with them when they send you a letter. It can avoid you to pay penalty but the amount you owe still have to pay.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 23 2014, 10:36 AM)
The EA form will have each of the details including OT and taxable fixed allowance. This is the only proof or paper work for employment income and I did mention in my post "if you don't have any business income".

If you have business income, this will be out of scope.

For filing back dated incomes, you're not allowed to claim for relieves.

Let the tax officer perform the assessment, he or she may be called for a coffee session at the tax office.
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Thanks for the hints and advise.

If your advise is to submit the previous year the last year would be 2012. My last full time job and ended on year 2012. I would need to submit the form manually since e-filing only up to 2013.

No I do not have business income between 2009-2012, only bonus during my serving in this previous company.

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If you earn less than RM29,775.00 per year, you don’t have to open a tax file and should not be paying any tax.
- http://<referral link removed>/my/news/last-minute-guide-...-taxes-malaysia

Q1. My file opened in the year of 2009, but my total income for that year is less than that abovementioned amount. Only in the year of 2010 it exceeds that amount. Do I go ahead and file it from the year 2009 if they requested?

Q2. Technically, I do not have any income in the year of 2013 because am not attached with any company. So year 2013 I can put it into rest or still submit it with no income?

I am ready with the EA forms and documents just in case anyway.

Q3. So I should go ahead filing from the year 2009 or 2012 instead?

Thanks all sifu. notworthy.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(J_pandapuppet @ Apr 23 2014, 12:14 PM)
Thanks for the hints and advise.

If your advise is to submit the previous year the last year would be 2012. My last full time job and ended on year 2012. I would need to submit the form manually since e-filing only up to 2013.

No I do not have business income between 2009-2012, only bonus during my serving in this previous company.

- <a href='http://<referral link removed>/my/news/last-minute-guide-to-filing-your-taxes-malaysia' target='_blank'>http://<referral link removed>/my/news/last-minute-guide-...-taxes-malaysia</a>

Q1. My file opened in the year of 2009, but my total income for that year is less than that abovementioned amount. Only in the year of 2010 it exceeds that amount. Do I go ahead and file it from the year 2009 if they requested?

Q2. Technically, I do not have any income in the year of 2013 because am not attached with any company. So year 2013 I can put it into rest or still submit it with no income?

I am ready with the EA forms and documents just in case anyway.

Q3. So I should go ahead filing from the year 2009 or 2012 instead?

Thanks all sifu.  notworthy.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 12:31 PM

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Guys, LHDN just called me asking why my pendapatan for year 2011 was 0, I was shocked and went and check my copy, it is indeed 0. I just started working that time and didn't really take income tax seriously, I think I mist have clicked wrongly during that time. I'm a government servant and no way I can hide my salary from LHDN. What is the further action LHDN will take?
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QUOTE(J_pandapuppet @ Apr 23 2014, 12:14 PM)
Thanks for the hints and advise.

If your advise is to submit the previous year the last year would be 2012. My last full time job and ended on year 2012. I would need to submit the form manually since e-filing only up to 2013.

No I do not have business income between 2009-2012, only bonus during my serving in this previous company.

- <a href='http://<referral link removed>/my/news/last-minute-guide-to-filing-your-taxes-malaysia' target='_blank'>http://<referral link removed>/my/news/last-minute-guide-...-taxes-malaysia</a>

Q1. My file opened in the year of 2009, but my total income for that year is less than that abovementioned amount. Only in the year of 2010 it exceeds that amount. Do I go ahead and file it from the year 2009 if they requested?

Q2. Technically, I do not have any income in the year of 2013 because am not attached with any company. So year 2013 I can put it into rest or still submit it with no income?

I am ready with the EA forms and documents just in case anyway.

Q3. So I should go ahead filing from the year 2009 or 2012 instead?

Thanks all sifu.  notworthy.gif
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ANSWER TO ALL QUESTION === ONCE YOU OPENED THE FILE YOU MUST SUBMIT. IF NOT THEY HAVE TEIR RIGHT TO PANELISE YOU. AT THIS MOMENT, A FEW OPTION YOU MAY CHOOSE:
OPTION 1 : SIT AND DO NOTHING
OPTION 2 : SUBMIT 2012 ONLY; OR
OPTION 3 ; SUBMIT ALL;

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A) OPTION 2 & 3 - THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK YOU TO REPORT YOU TAX SINCE 2009 UNTIL THE LATEST
PENALTY BOLEH KENA

B) OPTION 1,2 & 3 - BOLEH KENA PENALTY TETAPI oPT.1 CHANGE IS SLIM

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Let say a person received interim dividends payout from listed companies, how do we treat the income? Should report during submission?
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post Apr 23 2014, 09:10 PM

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Will we face slow connection on the e filling website towards the few days before closing date?
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post Apr 23 2014, 11:03 PM

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This is my first time paying tax. My company has already opened a tax file for me.

I want to do e-filing. I do NOT have my pin number.

1. Do I just have to go to the following website and enter my IC and income tax number, then they will email me my PIN number?
https://spsd.hasil.gov.my/PKI/e/ReqPinno.html


2. Or do I have to use the following website to register my PIN number, before using the link in 1.?
http://maklumbalas.hasil.gov.my/

3. Worst come to worse, if I cannot get my pin number, can I just fill up the Borang BE form and manually submit it in?

This post has been edited by gomes.: Apr 23 2014, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE(prole @ Apr 23 2014, 08:22 PM)
Let say a person received interim dividends payout from listed companies, how do we treat the income? Should report during submission?
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Depends on the Dividend type : Single-tier or not

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