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 Income Tax Issues v3, Anything related to Personal Income Tax

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post Apr 13 2014, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(rye_yerd @ Apr 13 2014, 05:13 PM)
hi all,

does The Edge publication subscription falls under newspaper? or it can be deducted under "Purchase of books/ magazines/ journals/ etc.?

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Should be. Every year I put rm300-400 to "buy" books.
What I notice is, as long as you don't put maximum amount, they don't bother to query.
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post Apr 16 2014, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(csong60 @ Apr 16 2014, 11:19 AM)
Hi!,

I was at the LHDN yesterday & made enquiries with the Tax Officer on 2 items:-

1. Tax Relief for "Purchase of Sports Equipment"
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I asked the officer whether the Ogawa ezTone can be claim for Tax Relief. He wasn't sure so he called his boss & CONFIRMED that can be claim.

My worry is if I claimed for Tax Relief BUT after a few year they may reject & impose a penalty of 45%.
2. Tax Relief for "Medical expenses for serious illness (incl. full medical examinations up to RM500) for spouse.
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My wife (full-time housewife) was admitted to hospital for "acute gastritis".
Expenses incurred incl. medical examinations (imaging, X-ray & laboratory tests) plus treatment/procedure/wad.

Question:
Can I claim for the TOTAL EXPENSES incurred? If NO, then can I claim just for the medical examinations (imaging, X-ray & laboratory tests) COST which is subjected to a max. of RM500. I did not claim the medical examination for myself so the RM500 relief is still unused.
I have made "online" enquiry via LHDN website becos' I need a black & white answer from them before I claim for the Tax Reliefs. Worry that they may change their mind on the intepretations & impose a penalty on me at a later date.

Any comments will be appreciated. Thanks!
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This you no need to worry too much about.
If say you are paying tax at 20% rate for that year. And you "claimed" rm300 of tax relief.
When they found out that you are not entitled for that, they will send you a letter and ask you to clarify. And if they concluded that you can't get relief, you only need to pay rm60.
Remember, get any official letter from LHDN, don't ignore it and settle it ASAP.
But once you have this problem, you will be "black listed" for 1-2 years. They will keep on looking on your records to see is there any "mistakes" done or not.
I made "mistakes" few times already and I never asked to pay penalty.
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post Apr 17 2014, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(KOHTT @ Apr 17 2014, 10:37 AM)
I am not too sure about this....

But I saw this link on the first page of this thread.

http://www.hasil.gov.my/goindex.php?kump=5...1&cariw=penalti

It is stated somewhere that the tax penalty is 1,000 to 10,000 and 200% of tax undercharged.

Perhaps expert here can verify.
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Then whistling.gif
As said, talk to them politely, got the letter go to them ASAP.
If they say 1 and you know is 1, don't try to bullshit them, sure you won't get penalty thumbup.gif
I already tried 3 times and none of them I have to pay penalty. As each time today I got the red letter, tomorrow I already in their office icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 17 2014, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(KOHTT @ Apr 17 2014, 02:29 PM)
Depends on who is the LHDN officer, her mood when you visit them and reason that you given to them.

I have deal with one old chinese lady LHDN staff who was not so nice.
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On this you should not looking for same skin officer.
I prefer dealing with malay officers, easier to talk with thumbup.gif
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post Apr 17 2014, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Apr 17 2014, 06:07 PM)
Can't agree more, why is it that when they are in the civil service, they acted like that.
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Chinese that work as government servant are very LCLY doh.gif
Don't ask me why, but if you relate it back to how Chinese treat Chinese for the past 5000 years, you should understand it whistling.gif
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post Apr 21 2014, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(aylwyn paul @ Apr 21 2014, 08:24 AM)
use to it other word biasalah
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That's Chinese's mentality doh.gif
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post Apr 22 2014, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(aylwyn paul @ Apr 22 2014, 09:00 AM)
you must write in before due date.

there will be a penalty imposed cos late payment for the balance
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Not really, usually that "grace period" are extended to 3 months.
But that does not mean you can try your luck.
I think out of all the government departments that we will be dealing with, IRB is the only department that can slow talk to settle an issue whistling.gif
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post Apr 22 2014, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(brutalsoul @ Apr 22 2014, 03:23 PM)
im still able to view n submit for 2012 BE. BTW, my 2012 is submitted using paper
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If not mistaken, you can't.
Last year I input wrongly(forgot to put in rm6000 EPF) and submitted online.
Have to submit hard copy which is quite tedious. But online still showing the mistake I made.
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post Apr 22 2014, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(aylwyn paul @ Apr 22 2014, 04:19 PM)
dont hope for it bcos base on system. late one day consider late no grace period unless you inform them before due date.

P.S : proof n reason why installment
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Can slow talk to waive. I've done that before thumbup.gif
Still, submit it promptly will be the best way whistling.gif
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post Apr 22 2014, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(aylwyn paul @ Apr 22 2014, 04:37 PM)
irb kl?
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post Apr 22 2014, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(aylwyn paul @ Apr 22 2014, 05:00 PM)
KANGAR BRANCH SAY CANNOT MUST SHOW PROOF OR DOCUMENT TO SUPPORT YOUR APPEAL
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Then I'm considered lucky laugh.gif
BTW, just to clarify, slow talk to waive is to waive penalty only. What ever mistake(over claim) or you owe them money, you still need to pay.

This post has been edited by supersound: Apr 22 2014, 10:00 PM
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post Apr 22 2014, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(kiko911 @ Apr 22 2014, 09:32 PM)
if I earned less than 17k and no income tax has been deducted in 2013, do I have to fill in the BE_2013 form, which will due on 30th APR 2014?
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By theory, no need.
But if you are going to take a loan, is better you open an account.
Is quite easy to get the pin from their office.
By declaring your income, it is the best method to prove that you have income when you are taking loan, applying for credit cards.
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post Apr 23 2014, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(J_pandapuppet @ Apr 23 2014, 01:19 AM)
Hi. I really need help and advise on this one.  sad.gif

I’m a legal tax payer. However, I never look as submitting forms is important every year because to what I understand, since my payslip had deducted the amount of tax to the govt. it should be fine. Like what is there to declare if I did not owe government anything? So I was totally wrong about it and misunderstood. I even misunderstood the EPF and tax part. My colleagues do make noise everytime submitting tax, and the impression they gave me they just wanna claim some money back. To me, I am fine, it's better the govt. had the money from me than I owe them plus I really hate paperwork. You may ask why my HR/Admin never brief or at least tell me? I do not want to put the blame to my HR/Admins though I’ve asked some several people that they do have responsible to at least explain the importance of submitting tax forms every year when my salary had reach the certain tax amount.

Now after I acknowledged the importance I am actually gathering all my EA forms and other documents to file to the tax. I checked with Hasil and my Tax No. also existed (my tax no. never appear in my EA form because it's under pending but they still receive tax from my earning every year). And I just registered to e-filing. So my questions is that according to my pay I should have start submitting my tax forms since 2009 but I did not do that. If I plan to do it and submit it now, will I go to jail? I am not even doing a full time job anymore and trying to do my own business but I've decided it's better I do my tax now since it's important.

Should I really go ahead submitting my tax? The fine is RM200 (min) to RM2,000 (max) or spend some time squatting in prison (not exceeding 6 months). I've calculated that from my tax I might can redeem from 700-a thousand every yr. If it's penalty judge by every year I guess I need to really eat wind. I don't plan to buy any property in this few years though.

Please advice.  icon_question.gif
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Try to submit last year and see if LHDN ask you to declare other years or not. Try to slow talk with them when they send you a letter. It can avoid you to pay penalty but the amount you owe still have to pay.

QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 23 2014, 06:23 AM)
@J_pandapuppet, you can put back-dated incomes from previous years at first page under "Pendapatan Tahun Kebelakangan Yang Belum Dilaporkan".

Since you have actually paid the tax via monthly PCB deduction and if you don't have any business income, I don't see the big deal. In the case of being audited, you can bring along the previous EA forms to support your case.
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Not the case, you still need to do the paper works. As PCB usually are deducted based on gross income. Especially if you have some side incomes(OT or bonus), then it will affect your PCB calculations also. Like mine, this month I only pay rm400 of PCB, next month I may need to pay rm3000 of PCB, just becuase of OT and bonus bank in together.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 23 2014, 10:36 AM)
The EA form will have each of the details including OT and taxable fixed allowance. This is the only proof or paper work for employment income and I did mention in my post "if you don't have any business income".

If you have business income, this will be out of scope.

For filing back dated incomes, you're not allowed to claim for relieves.

Let the tax officer perform the assessment, he or she may be called for a coffee session at the tax office.
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Rebet and reliefs are our EPF, insurance, books that we bought. Or some have bought house also entitled for extra rm10000. This is all PCB never calculate before. That's why we need to fill in the e-filling
I got missed out rm6000 of EPF, ended up I need to pay rm1500 extra on top of PCBs I paid.
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post Apr 23 2014, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 23 2014, 10:46 AM)
Do you think that I'm THAT stupid and not aware of those things?

I'm talking about "Pendapatan Tahun Kebelakangan Yang Belum Dilaporkan" and NOT about current year of assessment. How many times that I have been stressing this.

Under "Pendapatan Tahun Kebelakangan Yang Belum Dilaporkan" section, you can only put "Jenis Pendapatan", "Bayaran Pada Tahun", "Amaun Kasar" and "Caruman Kumpulan Wang".

As I mentioned earlier that, when you're filing for un-filed back dated or previous years income, you're not allowed to claim for relieves.

If you have BUSINESS INCOME, that is another separate different discussion.
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I always have back dated payment from my company. EPF I can't put as already > rm6000, but PCB you need to include that on the filling year also.
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post Apr 23 2014, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(J_pandapuppet @ Apr 23 2014, 12:14 PM)
Thanks for the hints and advise.

If your advise is to submit the previous year the last year would be 2012. My last full time job and ended on year 2012. I would need to submit the form manually since e-filing only up to 2013.

No I do not have business income between 2009-2012, only bonus during my serving in this previous company.

- <a href='http://<referral link removed>/my/news/last-minute-guide-to-filing-your-taxes-malaysia' target='_blank'>http://<referral link removed>/my/news/last-minute-guide-...-taxes-malaysia</a>

Q1. My file opened in the year of 2009, but my total income for that year is less than that abovementioned amount. Only in the year of 2010 it exceeds that amount. Do I go ahead and file it from the year 2009 if they requested?

Q2. Technically, I do not have any income in the year of 2013 because am not attached with any company. So year 2013 I can put it into rest or still submit it with no income?

I am ready with the EA forms and documents just in case anyway.

Q3. So I should go ahead filing from the year 2009 or 2012 instead?

Thanks all sifu.  notworthy.gif
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post Apr 24 2014, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Apr 23 2014, 09:10 PM)
Will we face slow connection on the e filling website towards the few days before closing date?
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Sure will, unless you do it at 3-4am tongue.gif
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post Apr 24 2014, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(cute_boboi @ Apr 24 2014, 12:19 PM)
There are several ways to do it, if just 1-2 years, normally will just lump up all the gross income into "Pendapatan Tahun Kebelakang ..."

But in your case ... 2009 - 2013 are 5 years to assess.
What to do:
1) Bring all documents, receipts, EA form, PCB, etc. to LHDN
2) Ask to speak to officer, get number.
3) They will give you 5x same BE or B form, and use pen to struck out the YA2013 and write each year.
4) So you will fill up year by year, i.e. do filing for 5 years.
5) So, the PCB whether is extra or not enough, is calculated yearly.
6) Then summarize up all, whether there is balance or need to pay.
7) This whole thing may take up several tries/trip to LHDN, or may email/call the office involved.
8) Keep all the forms and docs forever.

If they penalise you for late or no submission, ask for leniency or waive (talk nicely, you know govt dept).
If still need to pay, just pay. Nothing much can do, unless you go legal/court/challenge LHDN.
Remember, there are two things in life that can't avoid: death and tax.

Even though it is messy now, if you don't sort it out now, in future, it is even more messy. And you still need to sort it out.
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Some add on/correction :
you need to keep for 7 years only for the hard copies.
after slow talk usually can waive the penalty, but what needs to pay(under paid PCB), we still have to pay.
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QUOTE(quietfright @ Apr 24 2014, 12:15 PM)
Hi guys,

Just curious about doing my e-Filing this year, as some circumstances have changed. Have tried calling LHDN support line for 3 days and keep getting the 'harap maaf...' line.  sad.gif

Anyhow, I got married last year, but my spouse is working and earning overseas, so no money is transferred to any accounts in Malaysia.

1. As per this condition, do I qualify for the 'Diri Sendiri; Pasangan Tiada Punca Pendapatan' option under 'type of assessment', as this would instantly give a MYR3,000.00 deduction. From my reading of the taxation manual, you can choose this option if your spouse is either not working, or has non-taxable income.

2. Secondly, can we add up the premiums we pay for insurance, for medical (I know you can do it for life insurance)?

Thank you for your time, and looking forward to your replies smile.gif
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1. Must do it "bersasingan" thumbup.gif
2. Can try, but if get caught, you need to pay the difference. But once this happens, you will be under monitoring for 2-3 years.
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post Apr 24 2014, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(Coco~Bunny @ Apr 24 2014, 12:59 PM)
Do I needa file income tax if I didn't get any tax deduction for the past year 2013? But I received the EA form from my company (without income tax no.)
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Yes, you must do so. Got EA already better do. Not just because of getting tax, for you to apply loan also.

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