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post Dec 5 2021, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(dayalan86 @ Dec 5 2021, 10:21 AM)
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Replaced our 10 year old Rinnai RB 3SI inner flame unit (after finding much difficulty in getting their service personnel to come over) with Fotile GAG86210.

Impressed by the superior flame control, the gas knob has good resistance to it (similar to volume knob on AV receiver), makes it very much easier to control flame.

The Rinnai was a flexi cut out design, versus this Fotile. Had to do some hole size modification, to get this fitted in.
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post Dec 5 2021, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Dec 5 2021, 11:03 AM)
nice bro, tq for always supporting me kekek
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As long as can get best price for Fotile.

Finally all Fotile from Hood to Oven, initially very skeptic of the brand 😅

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post Dec 5 2021, 11:22 AM

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Any good kitchen hood Recommend that easy to maintain and wash myself?
My budget is in between 1.4k to 2.2k.

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Any good kitchen hood Recommend that easy to maintain and wash myself?
My budget is in between 1.4k to 2.2k.
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within this price range and easy to clean i would suggest livinox mica

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post Dec 7 2021, 01:59 PM

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Hi all,

Newbie going through renovation here..

I would love to have a smaller hob/hood for extra countertop space esp for food prep and space to put my Thermomix..
Is there any suggestion for a good hob and hood that is max 750mm width? Gas/electric hob can both be considered. For hood, preferably one with good suction power (no heavy cooking, open kitchen).

Used to use those bosch 4 gas-cookers at 600mm and had no issues using them so I don't know why gas hobs now are made so big with even less cookers sweat.gif

Also, what is the ideal height from countertop to top cabinet to which suction power is not compromised and yet at the same time ideal for a person whose height is 175cm?


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post Dec 7 2021, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(yun2 @ Dec 7 2021, 01:59 PM)
Hi all,

Newbie going through renovation here..

I would love to have a smaller hob/hood for extra countertop space esp for food prep and space to put my Thermomix.. 
Is there any suggestion for a good hob and hood that is max 750mm width? Gas/electric hob can both be considered. For hood, preferably one with good suction power (no heavy cooking, open kitchen).

Used to use those bosch 4 gas-cookers at 600mm and had no issues using them so I don't know why gas hobs now are made so big with even less cookers sweat.gif

Also, what is the ideal height from countertop to top cabinet to which suction power is not compromised and yet at the same time ideal for a person whose height is 175cm?
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Have you consider using single burner hobs? can combine two to get your ideal distance and you could get a combination of electric & Gas this way. I believe Bosch / Teka / Electrolux does have smaller size hobs but at a premium price.

From experience, Italian brands tend to carry smaller size hobs; Asian brands tend to consider using a large wok & a smaller sauce pan or frying pan.

https://www.electrolux.com.my/appliances/st...hobs/ehi6450ba/

We moved from Italian design hobs to Asian ones, solely for this reason and also for better wok support. First hob we used was Faber, which had four burners but in practical use, only 2 could be used at any given time.

And then we moved to 3 burner Rinnai, which also in practical use; only 2 burners could be used at any given time unless we are using two smaller cooking utensil.

Now finally moved to Fotile, as I found it to be the only one which allows precise flame control, even when using the large burner for simmering.

For hood, you can find the slim box design type (L Shape), which can sit as close as possible to the stove without being in the way.

It depends on your setup, but thermomix can be set nearer the dry kitchen area; as I find it to be somehow clean in cooking and doesn't require much prep area, since chopping, grating etc can be done with the thermomix. This depends on your kitchen.

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post Dec 7 2021, 04:24 PM

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Thanks for sharing, dayalan86. Considering our own use and limited kitchen space (no luxury for dry/wet kitchen), the smaller hob suits us more. We were able to use a 32L induction pot for boiling soup, and still use a medium sized pan and a small frying/sauce pan at the same time with the 4-burner. It wasn't very pretty though tongue.gif

For single burner hobs side by side, will that affect the stability of the hob sitting on the countertop?

I was looking at one of the hobs from Robam B276 which is 2-burner, 760mm. Is this a good model? I hear Fotile and Robam are both good brands in China.
https://www.lazada.com.my/products/robam-b2...9106698139.html

Which one is the L shape hob? Do you have any brand/model recommendation?

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post Dec 10 2021, 12:14 AM

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Hello everyone, moving into a condominium (5th floor). Looking for hood + electric hob. Budget about RM 4-5k for both.

1) Any recommendation for recycle hood? I have looked at some previous post and it seems that Fotile EMS9021R is a good option? Any other brand/model which I should consider?

2) Any recommendation for a built-in Combi electric hob (1 induction + 1 ceramic)?
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post Dec 10 2021, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(yun2 @ Dec 7 2021, 04:24 PM)
Thanks for sharing, dayalan86. Considering our own use and limited kitchen space (no luxury for dry/wet kitchen), the smaller hob suits us more. We were able to use a 32L induction pot for boiling soup, and still use a medium sized pan and a small frying/sauce pan at the same time with the 4-burner. It wasn't very pretty though tongue.gif

For single burner hobs side by side, will that affect the stability of the hob  sitting on the countertop?

I was looking at one of the hobs from Robam B276 which is 2-burner, 760mm. Is this a good model? I hear Fotile and Robam are both good brands in China.
https://www.lazada.com.my/products/robam-b2...9106698139.html

Which one is the L shape hob? Do you have any brand/model recommendation?
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If you decide on single burner hob side by side, probably will need reinforcement on the inside carcass of the cabinet, if using concrete top with tiles (with rebar), shouldn't be an issue.

L Shape Hood is something like this:

https://buildershardware.com.my/wp-content/...PPER-90SS-1.jpg

If 760mm, why not consider Fotile EPS Series?
http://www.fotile.com.my/products/GAG76202.html

Can Ask Zheilwane for best price.
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hi.. any recommendation for new condo setup? looking for gas hob and T hood .. budget around 2k-3k for both

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post Dec 13 2021, 01:31 AM

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Any recommendation for gas hob and hood that are easy to maintain? Going to spend below 4k for both items
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QUOTE(dayalan86 @ Dec 5 2021, 10:21 AM)
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Replaced our 10 year old Rinnai RB 3SI inner flame unit (after finding much difficulty in getting their service personnel to come over) with Fotile GAG86210.

Impressed by the superior flame control, the gas knob has good resistance to it (similar to volume knob on AV receiver), makes it very much easier to control flame.

The Rinnai was a flexi cut out design, versus this Fotile. Had to do some hole size modification, to get this fitted in.
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I'm also searching for 2 burners.
Why did you choose Fotile over Rinnai as it has serve you for 10 years?
How's the heat efficiency of you old hob compare to the new?


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QUOTE(senscents @ Dec 13 2021, 04:25 AM)
I'm also searching for 2 burners.
Why did you choose Fotile over Rinnai as it has serve you for 10 years?
How's the heat efficiency of you old hob compare to the new?
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Rinnai after sales became worst after the MCO, hence decided not to go back for Rinnai.

Also, Rinnai is still selling my exact same model from 10 years ago but the price has increased by more than 40%.


As for Heat Efficiency, I'm not sure how to compare. Fotile mentions 60% efficiency from the rated input.

Rinnai's innner flame series, do not have similar heating prowess as a standard burner type and it would be unfair to compare the Rinnai against something that is very different. We were using the inner flame series from Rinnai. Would strongly advise against this model, if you do a lot of cooking. Firstly, for deep frying the heat isn't really sufficient and secondly, if you do a lot of frying, grease accumulates on the inner parts of the burner. Since it's semi open by design, insects etc can built nest or die inside the burner.

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QUOTE(dayalan86 @ Dec 13 2021, 08:02 AM)
Rinnai after sales became worst after the MCO, hence decided not to go back for Rinnai.

Also, Rinnai is still selling my exact same model from 10 years ago but the price has increased by more than 40%.
As for Heat Efficiency, I'm not sure how to compare. Fotile mentions 60% efficiency from the rated input.

Rinnai's innner flame series, do not have similar heating prowess as a standard burner type and it would be unfair to compare the Rinnai against something that is very different. We were using the inner flame series from Rinnai. Would strongly advise against this model, if you do a lot of cooking. Firstly, for deep frying the heat isn't really sufficient and secondly, if you do a lot of frying, grease accumulates on the inner parts of the burner. Since it's semi open by design, insects etc can built nest or die inside the burner.
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Appreciate your input.

WoW 40% increase in price. Mostly every seller blame on our currency.

So inner flame are not for me since the "Wok Hei" are not sufficient.

Every manufacturer has their naming for it's burner's flame. As a consumer, we will not know if it's suitable for our usage and hopefully relying on user feedback.
For me, I'm looking for a stable, higher flame for that "Wok Hei"

From their website, it seems Rinnai has a better warranty than Fotile and the Glass top are from Schott but it did not state what type of Glass top for RB-92G.

Hopefully can get more feedback on this two Brands and model.
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QUOTE(senscents @ Dec 13 2021, 04:22 PM)
Appreciate your input.

WoW 40% increase in price. Mostly every seller blame on our currency.

So inner flame are not for me  since the "Wok Hei" are not sufficient.

Every manufacturer has their naming for it's burner's flame. As a consumer, we will not know if it's suitable for our usage and hopefully relying on user feedback.
For me, I'm looking for a stable, higher flame for that "Wok Hei"

From their website, it seems Rinnai has a better warranty than Fotile and the Glass top are from Schott but it did not state what type of Glass top for RB-92G.

Hopefully can get more feedback on this two Brands and model.
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schott brand only, it is also tempered glass only

fotile tempered glass is supported with 0.8mm aluminium sheet while most brands only use aluminium foil

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Dec 13 2021, 04:35 PM)
schott brand only, it is also tempered glass only

fotile tempered glass is supported with 0.8mm aluminium sheet while most brands only use aluminium foil

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Nicee,, Demo.

You(Fotile) 1 Win ; Rinnai 0

Which Brand and model has a stable, higher/powerful flame for that "Wok Hei" GAG86210?

* Edit, 🤔 Why Fotile do not have a better Warranty?

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QUOTE(senscents @ Dec 13 2021, 06:33 PM)
Nicee,, Demo.

You(Fotile) 1 Win ; Rinnai 0

Which Brand and model has a stable, higher/powerful flame for that "Wok Hei" GAG86210?

* Edit,  🤔 Why Fotile do not have a better Warranty?
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erm rinnai warranty 2 years
fotile 1 year, not much big difference also ahah jus extra 1 year. fotile now dec sale giving 10 years warranty for tempered glass

gag86210 confirm powerful
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QUOTE(senscents @ Dec 13 2021, 06:33 PM)
Nicee,, Demo.

You(Fotile) 1 Win ; Rinnai 0

Which Brand and model has a stable, higher/powerful flame for that "Wok Hei" GAG86210?

* Edit,  🤔 Why Fotile do not have a better Warranty?
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To be honest, no gas stove will have issues within 2 years warranty period. Ignition failure usually occurs much earlier; all our stoves including our free standing cooker Zanussi and cheap Faber hob before the Rinnai; never had ignition issues. Zanussi had valve failure on one of the burners after 7 years of use.

Faber had gas leak due to cracked burner (not the ring, burner itself cracked); lasted about 10 years when the burner crack happened; flame will come out from below the burner due to leaking gas.

Rinnai's only issue after all those years is the poor design of inner flame series; it is fully serviceable but with scarce service personnel; its just as good as useless.

I personally find Fotile's flame is stable, high powerful flame stability can be achieved by many hobs; the true test is when you want to reduce the big flame to simmer (many falter and fail, even the Rinnai, as somehow the flame will become yellow (gas / oxygen mixture not right) once you reduce to lower low flame setting (I believe this is only achievable by Fotile EPS Series burners, not sure if Superflame can get the same results or not)

On the Fotile, so far we are able to reduce the flame to simmer easily due to the resistance on the control valve itself; if you can test Rinnai valve (RB-3SI) & Fotile Valve; you can sense the difference.

"Branded" hobs usually won't have much effect on the glass surface; though, there have been cases of shattered glass top on Rinnai Inner Flame series. Ours was Stainless Steel; as initially this Rinnai was purchased to replace a large cut out Faber hob and the person who sold us; recommended to get the Stainless steel top as it is more rigid compared to the glass top version (which can flex and may cause the glass to shatter eventually).

Rinnai Inner flame is as per below; burner ring sits below the surface and fire comes from "within" much like a volcano heat.

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This post has been edited by dayalan86: Dec 14 2021, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Dec 14 2021, 12:44 AM)
erm rinnai warranty 2 years
fotile 1 year, not much big difference also ahah jus extra 1 year. fotile now dec sale giving 10 years warranty for tempered glass

gag86210 confirm powerful
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Another Win for You(Fotile) 2 Win ; 0 Rinnai
*Fotile - Dec sale giving 10 years warranty for tempered glass

Why don't the Hob's manufacturer give a better warranty for the Glass top (10years) and burner (5years) as like Rinnai ?
Don't they back up their product? Better warranty can be a selling point for their product.

Do PM your Dec Sale price.

QUOTE(dayalan86 @ Dec 14 2021, 01:41 PM)
To be honest, no gas stove will have issues within 2 years warranty period. Ignition failure usually occurs much earlier; all our stoves including our free standing cooker Zanussi and cheap Faber hob before the Rinnai; never had ignition issues. Zanussi had valve failure on one of the burners after 7 years of use.

Faber had gas leak due to cracked burner (not the ring, burner itself cracked); lasted about 10 years when the burner crack happened; flame will come out from below the burner due to leaking gas.

Rinnai's only issue after all those years is the poor design of inner flame series; it is fully serviceable but with scarce service personnel; its just as good as useless.

I personally find Fotile's flame is stable, high powerful flame stability can be achieved by many hobs; the true test is when you want to reduce the big flame to simmer (many falter and fail, even the Rinnai, as somehow the flame will become yellow (gas / oxygen mixture not right) once you reduce to lower low flame setting (I believe this is only achievable by Fotile EPS Series burners, not sure if Superflame can get the same results or not)

On the Fotile, so far we are able to reduce the flame to simmer easily due to the resistance on the control valve itself; if you can test Rinnai valve (RB-3SI) & Fotile Valve; you can sense the difference.

"Branded" hobs usually won't have much effect on the glass surface; though, there have been cases of shattered glass top on Rinnai Inner Flame series. Ours was Stainless Steel; as initially this Rinnai was purchased to replace a large cut out Faber hob and the person who sold us; recommended to get the Stainless steel top as it is more rigid compared to the glass top version (which can flex and may cause the glass to shatter eventually).

Rinnai Inner flame is as per below; burner ring sits below the surface and fire comes from "within" much like a volcano heat.

user posted image
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Thanks for the details review, especially on the customer service for their repair/replacement parts.

Repair, Replacement, and Availability of parts are important few years down the road and if anyone having difficulty in finding a solution for the particular brand then it's a big let down.

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