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post Dec 27 2013, 09:28 PM, updated 2w ago

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There are so many brands in the market, Electrolux, Elba, Rubine, Tuscani, Faber, Teka, Fotile, Whirlpool, Rinnai, Cornell, Bosch, Tellini, Lebenstill, Leben, Fujioh, Ikka, Pacific, Pacifica, Vees and many more. So which one of them is the best? Here is a discussion after reading and doing your own research, you decide which is the best.

Most end users will think that a good hood is a hood with strong suction power but that is not 100% true.
A good kitchen hood should have :
1) A good filter system with oil cup
2) Easy to clean & maintain
3) Reasonable strong suction power (1000m3/h and above)
4) Low noise level

1) A good filter system with oil cup

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Here is a comparison between aluminum mesh filters vs pyramid shape filters



I will update more info everyday, do not have time to explain everything in one day.
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post Dec 27 2013, 11:04 PM

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I beg to differ, this is like saying all All aluminium mesh are not as good as Pyramid filter (in your comparison is Fotile). Have you tested out all other brand and model hoods that you don't carry?

I am using Fotile, and I have friend using Rinnai. They cook more frequent than me, and don't need to clean everyday. Some wiremesh are easy to clean, just burn and scrub the carbon away.

This is like saying membrane filter are not as good as some other type of filter. But 3M is one a good membrane filters.


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post Dec 28 2013, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 27 2013, 11:04 PM)
I beg to differ, this is like saying all All aluminium mesh are not as good as Pyramid filter (in your comparison is Fotile). Have you tested out all other brand and model hoods that you don't carry?

I am using Fotile, and I have friend using Rinnai. They cook more frequent than me, and don't need to clean everyday. Some wiremesh are easy to clean, just burn and scrub the carbon away.

This is like saying membrane filter are not as good as some other type of filter. But 3M is one a good membrane filters.
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Well most aluminum mesh are not as efficient as pyramid type. Without the oil cup, where will the oil go? The oil will actually clogged up the filter and you will need to clean it regularly. Bcoz mesh filters do not have oil cup, their filters are very fine and have many layers to trap oil, hence reducing the suction power as shown in the video. Many customers who used aluminum mesh feedback this to us, thatz we know about it and we don sell these type of hood. Btw, i didnt say only Fotile's one is good, any pyramid shape type filters have better air flow compared to mesh type. However, not all pyramid type are good in filtering the oil. Mesh is good to filter oil but bad for air low (reducing suction power)

I might be wrong but aluminum mesh filters are made of several mesh layers thatz y they are called aluminum mesh and they are the same for all brands (will reduce air flow), the only difference is the size and number of layers. If they are not the same design or with some new technology then it is not called aluminum mesh anymore
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post Dec 28 2013, 11:06 PM

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The fotile you mention, is using similar design of Baffle filters, but problem with this fotile the oil get build up after the filter faster than mesh, the problem with this fotile the opening are too big and during heavy cooking oil escape the filter and build up inside the internal. I am using one for two years, and clean the inside twice. Is not easy. If they make the filter few more later will be better, just like a good Baffle filters hood.

Mesh on the other hand don't build up oil internally that fast. And Do not required (almost everyday) wash as per early comment.

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post Dec 28 2013, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 28 2013, 11:06 PM)
The fotile you mention, is using similar design of Baffle filters, but problem with this fotile the oil get build up after the filter faster than mesh, the problem with this fotile the opening are too big and during heavy cooking oil escape the filter and build up inside the internal. I am using one for two years, and clean the inside twice. Is not easy. If they make the filter few more later will be better, just like a good Baffle filters hood.

Mesh on the other hand don't build up oil internally that fast. And Do not required (almost everyday) wash as per early comment.
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thatz y i mention this previously
"However, not all pyramid type are good in filtering the oil. Mesh is good to filter oil but bad for air low (reducing suction power)"

Well mesh filters are better in oil filtration but due to the huge reduction in suction power, your kitchen tend to be oily and that defeats the purpose of having a hood. As shown in my video, the first part i used a pyramid shape filter, you can see that the suction is quite good but in the 2nd part where i converted it to a mesh filter, the smoke is coming out of the hood, this shows how good the oil filtration of mesh filter (preventing smoke and oil entering the hood) but the smoke is actually going around your kitchen, so why we purchase a hood in the first place?

I just moved in to my new house more 1 month+ and using Fotile EH10BQ as well, my grandma cooks almost everyday, got lots of good food rclxms.gif , we only clean the hood once and the inside just wipe with tissue (not really oily) Ofcoz if u use for 2 years, oil will build up inside, even mesh will have oil in the hood.

For better air flow better dont put any filters (hood will get very oily and will affect its performance in future)
For better oil filtration, add more layers of mesh filters (hood wont be able to suck in and extract the smoke and oil)

So, there must be a balance between air flow restriction and oil filtration, from past customers feedback and our experience, pyramid shape type is what most ppl will choose. We did discuss on this several years back but the thread was already closed, so i post back the info here.

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post Dec 28 2013, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Dec 28 2013, 11:33 PM)
thatz y i mention
"However, not all pyramid type are good in filtering the oil. Mesh is good to filter oil but bad for air low (reducing suction power)" Well mesh fitlers most of the oil but due to the reduction in suction power, your kitchen tend to be oily and that defeats the purpose of having a hood. I just moved in to my new house more 1 month+ and using Fotile EH10BQ as well, my grandma cooks almost everyday, got lots of good food  rclxms.gif , we only clean the hood once and the inside just wipe with tissue (not really oily) Ofcoz if u use for 2 years, oil will build up inside, even mesh will have oil in the hood.
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I also have friend who is crazy about cooking and heavily using the Rinnai for many years, I ask him how often he clean, only once a week, and never clean the internal before. Not all Mesh are build equal. Same goes to Membrane water filter like 3M vs others.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 27 2013, 11:04 PM)
I beg to differ, this is like saying all All aluminium mesh are not as good as Pyramid filter (in your comparison is Fotile). Have you tested out all other brand and model hoods that you don't carry?

I am using Fotile, and I have friend using Rinnai. They cook more frequent than me, and don't need to clean everyday. Some wiremesh are easy to clean, just burn and scrub the carbon away.

This is like saying membrane filter are not as good as some other type of filter. But 3M is one a good membrane filters.
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I strongly agree with you
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post Dec 29 2013, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Dec 27 2013, 09:28 PM)
Kitchen HOOD

There are so many brands in the market, Electrolux, Elba, Rubine, Tuscani, Faber, Teka, Fotile, Whirlpool, Rinnai, Cornell, Bosch, Tellini, Lebenstill, Leben, Fujioh, Ikka, Pacific, Pacifica, Vees and many more. So which one of them is the best? Here is a discussion after reading and doing your own research, you decide which is the best.

Most end users will think that a good hood is a hood with strong suction power but that is not 100% true.
A good kitchen hood should have :
1) A good filter system with oil cup
2) Easy to clean & maintain
3) Reasonable strong suction power (1000m3/h and above)
4) Low noise level

1) A good filter system with oil cup

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Here is a comparison between aluminum mesh filters vs pyramid shape filters

I will update more info everyday, do not have time to explain everything in one day.
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The test you int he video is actually quite stupid and very misleading.

1) To put a mesh filter in a Hood NOT DESIGNED for a mesh filter is not a fair test.

2) You only put a single mes filter in the Centre of the Pyramid Hood, BUT most Mesh fliter style hoods have 2 or 3 or even 4 mesh filter hoods. IE 2 or 3 or 4 times the surface suction area. In which case there would not be the reduction in airflow that you claim.

3) Its a pedantic point, but what you claim is smoke is actually Steam NOT Smoke.


In my experience there are good and bad of both hood styles.

a) A mesh Filter will provide a much superior removal of oil from the air stream (very important if you have recirculating hood)

For Mesh Style, Yes you have to clean the mesh filters, but it is usually only required max 1 time per month and is easily achieved by soaking in hot water with dish washing detergent for 20-30 mins. The oil residue simply melts and is dispersed by the detergent.

I well designed Mesh filter will have equal air flow to a pyramid style hood.

b) Pyramid style hood will have inferior oil separation, so can be used as re-circulation model and if used in ducted venting mode you end up with a lot of oil residue in you ducts which is very hard or nearly impossible to clean.

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post Dec 29 2013, 10:00 AM

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Agree that 3M is a great filter bought it in xam max during their promotions. They recommended me fagor hood but i wasnt convinced because my rinnai hood is not very effective, the grease filter is hard to clean and yellowish. Saw zheilwane's posting and went all the way to kepong to check our their fotile hood, this young man is very good and really know his stuff. He showed us the same video and other videos as well, then only we realize it is actually common sense that the fine filtration of mesh filter will restrict air flow, similar to water filter, the lower the micron filtration, the lower the water pressure. Have been using fotile for about one month and we too cook a lot, the oil filtration and suction are upto our expection. Have a look at the oil cup. Good job, zheilwane and keep it up.

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Ah..about time this topic pop out. Planning to get a cooker hood for my new condo. Thing is this will be my first time shopping for a cooker hood. Not sure where to buy or what brand to go for. Prefer the flat types without the hose since i will be cooking outdoor nearby a window. Perhaps i can use the flat hood coupled with an exhaust fan? Is jusco/aeon big a good place to get stuffs like this?
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QUOTE(aztechx @ Dec 29 2013, 10:04 AM)
Ah..about time this topic pop out. Planning to get a cooker hood for my new condo. Thing is this will be my first time shopping for a cooker hood. Not sure where to buy or what brand to go for. Prefer the flat types without the hose since i will be cooking outdoor nearby a window. Perhaps i can use the flat hood coupled with an exhaust fan? Is jusco/aeon big a good place to get stuffs like this?
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Aeon selection are limited.

JF Home @ USJ 9 (This one carry Rinnai, Fotile, and others brand too)
HW Builder @ Kepong (Check with zheilwane)
Xam Max Up Town, not sure what brand they carry
SS2 Legend, so far the cheapest Fotile I seen (in 2011), I din't buy from them only asking price when I was buying my AC.

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I m usually around puchong area and true from pj to puchong ss2 legend price is very attractive. A little reluctant to travel all the way to kepong - builders hardware but none of the salesperson could convince me and with all the good reviews on zheilwane i ended up going over. Well their price is comparable with ss2 legend but from the service the their exclusive gas hob, i purchase it from zheilwane

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Adding my 2 cents...

Mesh and baffle filters are both good, for different people.
Mesh is generally more efficient, but requires cleaning often and some might find difficult to clean. Hoods with mesh filter is usually much thinner, could be an important feature some people look for.
Baffle is less efficient, but is easier to clean and also needs less cleaning. However, I personally dislike having the oil cup in the centre. Look for hoods with the cup situated close to the wall instead ( Electrolux and Fotile has this if I'm not mistaken )

So if you are the lazy type, use baffle tongue.gif
It's true for recirculating hoods, only mesh filter works well because it's simply more effective at retaining oil.
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QUOTE(wdarke @ Dec 29 2013, 01:47 PM)
Adding my 2 cents...

Mesh and baffle filters are both good, for different people.
Mesh is generally more efficient, but requires cleaning often and some might find difficult to clean. Hoods with mesh filter is usually much thinner, could be an important feature some people look for.
Baffle is less efficient, but is easier to clean and also needs less cleaning. However, I personally dislike having the oil cup in the centre. Look for hoods with the cup situated close to the wall instead ( Electrolux and Fotile has this if I'm not mistaken )

So if you are the lazy type, use baffle tongue.gif
It's true for recirculating hoods, only mesh filter works well because it's simply more effective at retaining oil.
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you offered the most clear and concise explanation rclxms.gif

to say "mesh filters restrict much more air and that's why you need to buy baffle type filter" is just plain incorrect.

this unbiased video is much better in showing what you should be considering in buying a cooker hood - but it doesn't have one criteria that I always look out for - aesthetics ....hahaha laugh.gif
almost all hoods work so well these days, it doesnt really matter which you choose so might as well get one that also look good and least noisy



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QUOTE(talibin @ Dec 29 2013, 01:06 PM)
I m usually around puchong area and true from pj to puchong ss2 legend price is very attractive. A little reluctant to travel all the way to kepong - builders hardware but none of the salesperson could convince me and with all the good reviews on zheilwane i ended up going over. Well their price is comparable with ss2 legend but from the service the their exclusive gas hob, i purchase it from zheilwane
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You should also visit JF Home, many have been pleased with their service too.
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Well as shown we cook a lot and we used to have rinnai hood with mesh filter. Previously bought it bcoz rinnai is a famous brand and also made in japan, the flat mesh also looks nice and i do agree hood with oil cups are ugly. For someone who actually used both type i would say mesh is a big no no. Not sure how many of you here actually used both types before? Belum cuba, belum tau . . Btw wei kee u working for jf? C u always promote for them

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for any product that required filtering ... air purifier / vacuum / hood ... suction is the No1 factor ... no point with the best filter if it cannot get the intended air / gases to reach the filter.

i have the cup hood at home, auto wash feature ... no trouble, just let it wash itself after 2/3 use. washing liquid is cheap anyway.
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QUOTE(talibin @ Dec 29 2013, 03:31 PM)
Well as shown we cook a lot and we used to have rinnai hood with mesh filter. Previously bought it bcoz rinnai is a famous brand and also made in japan, the flat mesh also looks nice and i do agree hood with oil cups are ugly. For someone who actually used both type i would say mesh is a big no no. Not sure how many of you here actually used both types before? Belum cuba, belum tau . . Btw wei kee u working for jf? C u always promote for them
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Sometime i a bit traitor, i buy from my own shop, buy from Xam Max, buy from HW Builders, and others shop too...
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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 29 2013, 10:20 AM)
Aeon selection are limited.

JF Home @ USJ 9 (This one carry Rinnai, Fotile, and others brand too)
HW Builder @ Kepong  (Check with zheilwane)
Xam Max Up Town, not sure what brand they carry
SS2 Legend, so far the cheapest Fotile I seen (in 2011), I din't buy from them only asking price when I was buying my AC.
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Just got an Rh-993CT from jf home in puchong together with a stove.good service, recommended to those interested in rinnai products.

However, one of the cabinet makers say they cant hide the hob in a cabinet due to lack of ventilation might damage the hob. Seems logical but is it true?
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QUOTE(aztechx @ Dec 29 2013, 05:49 PM)
Just got an Rh-993CT from jf home in puchong together with a stove.good service, recommended to those interested in rinnai products.

However, one of the cabinet makers say they cant hide the hob in a cabinet due to lack of ventilation might damage the hob. Seems logical but is it true?
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You got the recycling or with ducting?

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