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post Dec 22 2013, 03:13 PM, updated 12y ago

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Forumer you are complaining against: suntzulee

Item being sold/bought: iphone 5 fullset

Original thread link: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3019148

Date of transaction: 15/12/2013

Details of the complaint : I will start with the advertisement thread of suntzulee. He is selling iphone 5 as per link i provided above. But he already remove all the details there. He want to sell iphone 5 with 10month warranty. He do a screenshot of the warranty that showed 10 month warranty. The item advertise as fullset. Fullset mean i should get box, charger, cable, earpod and iphone. I contact him in PM and whatsapp. So we agreed to meet at Maybank the curve.

During COD, i checked the phone. The phone is ok. But I did not check the warranty online and i asked him clearly about the warranty. He said 10 month left coz he just bought it 2 month before. Because the phone is ok, so i think suntzulee tell the truth about the warranty.

Then I checked the accessory, everything is there accept earpod. So i ask him where the earpod. He said he already used it but because i the earpod is part of the deal (fullset) so i want the earpod. He said the earpod is in his hometown/house. So he told me that he will send the earpod by postage. So i decide to said ok.

After reach home, I checked the warranty online. And the phone warranty website state that the phone only covered 1 week left. So i contact him back. After a while he answer my phone, and i asked him about the 10 month warranty. Then he said he will contact his previous seller. And he said to solve it nicely with me. So i agree with him.

Next day, he said he cant contact his seller. So after discussion i said just refund me RM100 and dont forget to sent my earpod. Actually, for 10 month warranty, i just get back rm100 is not worth it. Again I agree because i dont want to have a long issue with this sunzlee. Im a busy person, and i think i just wasting my time if this issue extended. So after a couple of day, I get refunded the rm100.

The next day, a get the earpod. and i tested the earpod. the earpod is new but the sound quality is very poor. So i took my sister earpod and compared between them. Yes, it is a different quality of sound. And i precisely check the quilty build of the earpod he send me. And i confirm that the earpod is a fake one. So i contact him again. Now im so angry with this suntzlee. He already cheat me on warranty and now he want to cheat me with the fake earpod.

After a while he reply my whatsapp said that he dont know. It is the earpod that his previous seller gave him. AGAIN he blame on his previous seller. And i said to him, he is a trader, how come he dont know that the earpod is fake. he answer he just a trader, he dont have time to checked all the accessory. So i become very angry with his answer. I said to him to swap back with the original earpod coz that is my right coz i already paid for the fullset item. He insisted. And said im playing a trick with him. I asked him to meet in the curve and checked back all the item and solve this matter face 2 face. He dont want to meet me to solve this matter.

So i decided to refund all my money, and give all of his item back. I dont want to do business with this stupid seller. And he said no refund and ignore me. So what should i do? I hope admin can help me.

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post Dec 22 2013, 03:26 PM

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I thought he already have a dispute tag? Why did you still deal with him?
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post Dec 22 2013, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(even_steven @ Dec 22 2013, 03:26 PM)
I thought he already have a dispute tag? Why did you still deal with him?
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It is my mistake because not doing a background check first. And I dont notice the dispute tag. My bad.
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QUOTE(Crozac @ Dec 22 2013, 03:30 PM)
It is my mistake because not doing a background check first. And I dont notice the dispute tag. My bad.
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Anyway, best of luck and hope you can settle the dispute nicely with him.
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post Dec 22 2013, 05:25 PM

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Yes, i sold a iphone 5 16gb maxis set to him last week. During cod i told him the warranty is until Sept 2014 because i personally checked on apple warranty website and the set was belong to my previous seller. I also clearly told him the earpod is used and often buyer dont want it because of hygiene purpose.

After an hour, he kept on whatsapp, sms and calling me while i was driving. Due to repeating distraction, i pull over my car and pick up his call. He told me the warranty is not Sept 2014 but is end December 2013. But i told him it was impossible because i personally check on the apple warranty website and it shown Sept 2014. Nevertheless, i told him that i will check with my previous seller.

From that night onwards, he kept on disturbing and pestering me about the warranty day after day. After few days, i replied him that i couldn't find the seller as the phone was cut off. Then he asked me to compensate him RM100 for the warranty issue. At first i was contemplating as i am also got conned by my previous seller about the warranty. Eventually i agreed with his terms and he promised he will forgo the warranty issue.

Next, after i sent him the earpod, he said it was fake. Then i explained to him that it was the earpod i got from the previous seller and i did not test whether it is ori or fake. I'm just a trader and i sold phone and all accessories where i got from my previous seller.

I regretted that i refunded him the money if i know he will keep on doing his trick on me. Later i believe he will tell me that the cable and charger is also fake. Then, ask me to refund him again sad.gif

The main reason why i refund the money to him because i know both of us also a victim and i tried my every best to assist him. But he never satisfied and keep on asking me for refund by telling the accessories are fake. I will not believe him anymore. Yet he is spamming my selling thread with his make up story.
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post Dec 22 2013, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 22 2013, 05:25 PM)
Yes, i sold a iphone 5 16gb maxis set to him last week. During cod i told him the warranty is until Sept 2014 because i personally checked on apple warranty website and the set was belong to my previous seller. I also clearly told him the earpod is used and often buyer dont want it because of hygiene purpose.

After an hour, he kept on whatsapp, sms and calling me while i was driving. Due to repeating distraction, i pull over my car and pick up his call. He told me the warranty is not Sept 2014 but is end December 2013. But i told him it was impossible because i personally check on the apple warranty website and it shown Sept 2014. Nevertheless, i told him that i will check with  my previous seller.

From that night onwards, he kept on disturbing and pestering me about the warranty day after day. After few days, i replied him that i couldn't find the seller as the phone was cut off. Then he asked me to compensate him RM100 for the warranty issue. At first i was contemplating as i am also got conned by my previous seller about the warranty. Eventually i agreed with his terms and he promised he will forgo the warranty issue.

Next, after i sent him the earpod, he said it was fake. Then i explained to him that it was the earpod i got from the previous seller and i did not test whether it is ori or fake. I'm just a trader and i sold phone and all accessories where i got from my previous seller.

I regretted that i refunded him the money if i know he will keep on doing his trick on me. Later i believe he will tell me that the cable and charger is also fake. Then, ask me to refund him again sad.gif

The main reason why i refund the money to him because i know both of us also a victim and i tried my every best to assist him. But he never satisfied and keep on asking me for refund by telling the accessories are fake. I will not believe him anymore. Yet he is spamming my selling thread with his make up story.
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but somehow your name appears on the blacklist . shakehead.gif
it is hard to believe in you tho .
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post Dec 22 2013, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(FrostyFizzy @ Dec 22 2013, 05:42 PM)
but somehow your name appears on the blacklist .  shakehead.gif
it is hard to believe in you tho .
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this time i will not avoid. Please dont think all of us, sellers are water fish. Yes i might have made a mistake previously for not defending myself. Now, i know my conscience is clear and i have nothing to be afraid.

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post Dec 22 2013, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Crozac @ Dec 22 2013, 03:13 PM)
Forumer you are complaining against: suntzulee

Item being sold/bought: iphone 5 fullset

Original thread link: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3019148

Date of transaction: 15/12/2013

Details of the complaint : I will start with the advertisement thread of suntzulee. He is selling iphone 5 as per link i provided above. But he already remove all the details there. He want to sell iphone 5 with 10month warranty. He do a screenshot of the warranty that showed 10 month warranty. The item advertise as fullset. Fullset mean i should get box, charger, cable, earpod and iphone. I contact him in PM and whatsapp. So we agreed to meet at Maybank the curve.

During COD, i checked the phone. The phone is ok. But I did not check the warranty online and i asked him clearly about the warranty. He said 10 month left coz he just bought it 2 month before. Because the phone is ok, so i think suntzulee tell the truth about the warranty.

Then I checked the accessory, everything is there accept earpod. So i ask him where the earpod. He said he already used it but because i the earpod is part of the deal (fullset) so i want the earpod. He said the earpod is in his hometown/house. So he told me that he will send the earpod by postage. So i decide to said ok.

After reach home, I checked the warranty online. And the phone warranty website state that the phone only covered 1 week left. So i contact him back. After a while he answer my phone, and i asked him about the 10 month warranty. Then he said he will contact his previous seller. And he said to solve it nicely with me. So i agree with him.

Next day, he said he cant contact his seller. So after discussion i said just refund me RM100 and dont forget to sent my earpod. Actually, for 10 month warranty, i just get back rm100 is not worth it. Again I agree because i dont want to have a long issue with this sunzlee. Im a busy person, and i think i just wasting my time if this issue extended. So after a couple of day, I get refunded the rm100.

The next day, a get the earpod. and i tested the earpod. the earpod is new but the sound quality is very poor. So i took my sister earpod and compared between them. Yes, it is a different quality of sound. And i precisely check the quilty build of the earpod he send me. And i confirm that the earpod is a fake one. So i contact him again. Now im so angry with this suntzlee. He already cheat me on warranty and now he want to cheat me with the fake earpod.

After a while he reply my whatsapp said that he dont know. It is the earpod that his previous seller gave him. AGAIN he blame on his previous seller. And i said to him, he is a trader, how come he dont know that the earpod is fake. he answer he just a trader, he dont have time to checked all the accessory. So i become very angry with his answer. I said to him to swap back with the original earpod coz that is my right coz i already paid for the fullset item. He insisted. And said im playing a trick with him. I asked him to meet in the curve and checked back all the item and solve this matter face 2 face. He dont want to meet me to solve this matter.

So i decided to refund all my money, and give all of his item back. I dont want to do business with this stupid seller. And he said no refund and ignore me. So what should i do? I hope admin can help me.
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Hi bro it will be better if you can take some pictures of the fake accessories and post it here. And don't forget the warranty date by Apple from their page.

This post has been edited by victorian: Dec 22 2013, 06:14 PM
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post Dec 22 2013, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 22 2013, 05:25 PM)
Yes, i sold a iphone 5 16gb maxis set to him last week. During cod i told him the warranty is until Sept 2014 because i personally checked on apple warranty website and the set was belong to my previous seller. I also clearly told him the earpod is used and often buyer dont want it because of hygiene purpose.

After an hour, he kept on whatsapp, sms and calling me while i was driving. Due to repeating distraction, i pull over my car and pick up his call. He told me the warranty is not Sept 2014 but is end December 2013. But i told him it was impossible because i personally check on the apple warranty website and it shown Sept 2014. Nevertheless, i told him that i will check with  my previous seller.

From that night onwards, he kept on disturbing and pestering me about the warranty day after day. After few days, i replied him that i couldn't find the seller as the phone was cut off. Then he asked me to compensate him RM100 for the warranty issue. At first i was contemplating as i am also got conned by my previous seller about the warranty. Eventually i agreed with his terms and he promised he will forgo the warranty issue.

Next, after i sent him the earpod, he said it was fake. Then i explained to him that it was the earpod i got from the previous seller and i did not test whether it is ori or fake. I'm just a trader and i sold phone and all accessories where i got from my previous seller.

I regretted that i refunded him the money if i know he will keep on doing his trick on me. Later i believe he will tell me that the cable and charger is also fake. Then, ask me to refund him again sad.gif

The main reason why i refund the money to him because i know both of us also a victim and i tried my every best to assist him. But he never satisfied and keep on asking me for refund by telling the accessories are fake. I will not believe him anymore. Yet he is spamming my selling thread with his make up story.
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Like they always say, whatever you do with the seller has nothing to do with the buyer. Do not blame your stupidity on other people. No one wants to share the weight. Seriously ? Sept 2014 and Dec 2013 is a huge difference, the only viable explanation is either you are blind or you are lying. You realized you got conned and you are playing along thinking you can get away from it doh.gif . Next was the earpods, do not say the accessories were given by the previous seller. Who's selling the phone now ? You or the previous seller? You have the responsibility to make sure everything is as it as claimed by your thread. If its fake, say its fake. Don't take us for fools. First chin_kh dispute, now this. I really don't know how much more lies you have to spread to cover all your previous lies.
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post Dec 22 2013, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(victorian @ Dec 22 2013, 06:13 PM)
Like they always say, whatever you do with the seller has nothing to do with the buyer. Do not blame your stupidity on other people. No one wants to share the weight. Seriously ? Sept 2014 and Dec 2013 is a huge difference, the only viable explanation is either you are blind or you are lying. You realized you got conned and you are playing along thinking you can get away from it  doh.gif . Next was the earpods, do not say the accessories were given by the previous seller. Who's selling the phone now ? You or the previous seller? You have the responsibility to make sure everything is as it as claimed by your thread. If its fake, say its fake. Don't take us for fools. First chin_kh dispute, now this. I really don't know how much more lies you have to spread to cover all your previous lies.
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When i first bought the phone a month ago, the warranty clearly showed Sep 2014. that's why i never deny the fact i told the buyer the warranty which i knew earlier on. I only realized when the buyer told me it was not till Sept. I'm also a victim and i dont wish to pass the responsibility to other. That's why when crozac suggested asking me to pay him RM100 and he willing to forego the warranty issue. However, he broke his promise and harping on the warranty issue again here. If i knew he was such a dishonest person, i will not even compensate him.

As for the earpod, i dont know it is fake as i got it from my seller. I never tested it and i just given him what i received from my seller. This time is earpod, what if next round he tells me charger is fake? Or what if next round again, cable is fake?

Pls dont judge things as a total. chin_kh was another case and now is totally a different case. I made a mistake for not defending myself earlier on but now i will not repeat the mistake here again.
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I would never deal with a seller who has a dispute tag even if its RM100 cheaper. Sorry to hear this TS, hope you can get the issue solved smile.gif
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post Dec 22 2013, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 22 2013, 06:23 PM)
When i first bought the phone a month ago, the warranty clearly showed Sep 2014. that's why i never deny the fact i told the buyer the warranty which i knew earlier on. I only realized when the buyer told me it was not till Sept. I'm also a victim and i dont wish to pass the responsibility to other. That's why when crozac suggested asking me to pay him RM100 and he willing to forego the warranty issue. However, he broke his promise and harping on the warranty issue again here. If i knew he was such a dishonest person, i will not even compensate him.

As for the earpod, i dont know it is fake as i got it from my seller. I never tested it and i just given him what i received from my seller. This time is earpod, what if next round he tells me charger is fake? Or what if next round again, cable is fake?

Pls dont judge things as a total. chin_kh was another case and now is totally a different case. I made a mistake for not defending myself earlier on but now i will not repeat the mistake here again.
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You are not even sure if your earpods is original. How can you defend yourself in such case? Yes he can always lie about the charger is fake but why would he do that? I've been trading since 2011 and I did not worry about People claiming my accessories is fake even for a second, because I know my stuff is original or in some case if it is third party, I'll let the buyer know. If he really has the intention to scam you, you are in no way in a good position as well because of your previous case. This is why it is always good to build a good reputation, people will back you up if such case happens. But I don't see anyone backing you up hmm.gif
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post Dec 22 2013, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(victorian @ Dec 22 2013, 06:41 PM)
You are not even sure if your earpods is original.  How can you defend yourself in such case? Yes he can always lie about the charger is fake but why would he do that? I've been trading since 2011 and I did not worry about People claiming my accessories is fake even for a second, because I know my stuff is original or in some case if it is third party, I'll let the buyer know.  If he really has the intention to scam you,  you are in no way in a good position as well because of your previous case.  This is why it is always good to build a good reputation, people will back you up if such case happens. But I don't see anyone backing you up  hmm.gif
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i sent the buyer exactly what i received. There's also possibility the buyer telling lies just to get his money refund. I have been trading since 2008 here and i too have no worry people coming upfront claiming the accessories i sold is fake. Why is this only crozac? he has every intention to scam, to spam and ranting all false claims in my selling thread for one reason. He wanted more money from me.

You can say there are no people backing up me but you cant say no one means my accessories are not genuine.
Hitherto, there is no one except this crozac claiming my accessories is fake. That's is truth.
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post Dec 22 2013, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 22 2013, 06:59 PM)
i sent the buyer exactly what i received. There's also possibility the buyer telling lies just to get his money refund. I have been trading since 2008 here and i too have no worry people coming upfront claiming the accessories i sold is fake. Why is this only crozac? he has every intention to scam, to spam and ranting all false claims in my selling thread for one reason. He wanted more money from me.

You can say there are no people backing up me but you cant say no one means my accessories are not genuine.
Hitherto, there is no one except this crozac claiming my accessories is fake. That's is truth.
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Im in process of taking the earpod picture now. Ill upload it in the next post after this. Same to the warranty. If your item is original, why you dont want to meet me at the curve? I can show you the prove ur item is not original face 2 face. Else, I also ask for full refund, and ill give back your items since you claim your item is original. Why you refuse to do it?
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 22 2013, 06:59 PM)
i sent the buyer exactly what i received. There's also possibility the buyer telling lies just to get his money refund. I have been trading since 2008 here and i too have no worry people coming upfront claiming the accessories i sold is fake. Why is this only crozac? he has every intention to scam, to spam and ranting all false claims in my selling thread for one reason. He wanted more money from me.

You can say there are no people backing up me but you cant say no one means my accessories are not genuine.
Hitherto, there is no one except this crozac claiming my accessories is fake. That's is truth.
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Exactly, you are not even sure if your the accessories are original. You can't push the blame to the seller. It's between you and crozac now. And btw I don't think he is so free to throw fake accusations and lies.
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QUOTE(Crozac @ Dec 22 2013, 07:12 PM)
Im in process of taking the earpod picture now. Ill upload it in the next post after this. Same to the warranty. If your item is original, why you dont want to meet me at the curve? I can show you the prove ur item is not original face 2 face. Else, I also ask for full refund, and ill give back your items since you claim your item is original. Why you refuse to do it?
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How many times I need to repeat to you? I'm not sure whether the ear pod is ori or fake as it was from my seller. Ask u, is the charger also fake? I don't trust you anymore.
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First this is the warranty screenshot. In the same day I buy the iphone.

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QUOTE(victorian @ Dec 22 2013, 07:15 PM)
Exactly, you are not even sure if your the accessories are original.  You can't push the blame to the seller.  It's between you and crozac now. And btw I don't think he is so free to throw fake accusations and lies.
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Pls ask him, did he promise me to forego the warranty issue after I refunded him RM100? If he said no, then he's free to throw absurd accusations and lies to me. I have the proof he broken his promise too. As such he can lie about the ear pod by showing a fake earpod picture.
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 22 2013, 07:30 PM)
Pls ask him, did he promise me to forego the warranty issue after I refunded him RM100? If he said no, then he's free to throw absurd accusations and lies to me. I have the proof he broken his promise too. As such he can lie about the ear pod by showing a fake earpod picture.
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Is he chasing you after the warranty issue now? No right? This dispute is over the case of your fake earpods. Yes please post the proof here. We would like to see.
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This is a full picture of the earpod.

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This is cheap plastic build for the earpod. More light that original somemore. Sound quality is very bad.

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And u can see the picture below. It is a low quality rubber, and you can see a line in the center of the wire spliter. The original earpod dont have that line, i already compared with my sister.

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The important thing here is the sound quality is very bad. its like rm10 earphone with no bass at all.
Thats why i want to meet him again. And show to him that earpod is not original. It will more easy if he can see it by himself. But he refuse to meet me.



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QUOTE(victorian @ Dec 22 2013, 07:41 PM)
Is he chasing you after the warranty issue now? No right? This dispute is over the case of your fake earpods. Yes please post the proof here. We would like to see.
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Let him answer my question first.
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 22 2013, 07:27 PM)
How many times I need to repeat to you? I'm not sure whether the ear pod is ori or fake as it was from my seller. Ask u, is the charger also fake? I don't trust you anymore.
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I already get the charger from you since day 1. I already check, and Im not saying anything about the charger since i receive it. The issue now is about a fake earpod. I dont know why you keep asking about the charger?
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QUOTE(Crozac @ Dec 22 2013, 07:52 PM)
I already get the charger from you since day 1. I already check, and Im not saying anything about the charger since i receive it. The issue now is about a fake earpod. I dont know why you keep asking about the charger?
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Because I knew all your tricks. Now is earpod. Later is charger, right? Again, the earpod I sent you was from my seller. How I know the picture you show here is another earpod? If u say I'm a Conman, I can also suspect you are a scammer.
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 22 2013, 07:57 PM)
Because I knew all your tricks. Now is earpod. Later is charger, right? Again, the earpod I sent you was from my seller. How I know the picture you show here is another earpod? If u say I'm a Conman, I can also suspect you are a scammer.
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The thing is your background wasn't clean to begin with.
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 22 2013, 07:57 PM)
Because I knew all your tricks. Now is earpod. Later is charger, right? Again, the earpod I sent you was from my seller. How I know the picture you show here is another earpod? If u say I'm a Conman, I can also suspect you are a scammer.
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Why u said later? As i said I already, i got the charger since day 1. Im not saying anything about the charger. The earpod is exactly what you send me in the box. You suggest me what prove you want more? We can meet together and ill show you face to face.
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QUOTE(victorian @ Dec 22 2013, 08:04 PM)
The thing is your background wasn't clean to begin with.
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I agreed. Previously I did not defend my self and I ended up a dispute tag. However, that doesn't give anyone privilege to scam, spam and ranting over my selling thread. Again, I hope you can see things case by case basis. Honestly I don't trust this crozac either...
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QUOTE(Crozac @ Dec 22 2013, 08:05 PM)
Why u said later? As i said I already, i got the charger since day 1. Im not saying anything about the charger. The earpod is exactly what you send me in the box. You suggest me what prove you want more? We can meet together and ill show you face to face.
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What I mean is today you say earpod is fake. Tomorrow, you will tell me charger is also fake. Days after, cable is also fake, right? You have broken your promise to me & u want me to believe you? Once bitten twice shy...
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I agreed. Previously I did not defend my self and I ended up a dispute tag. However, that doesn't give anyone privilege to scam, spam and ranting over my selling thread. Again, I hope you can see things case by case basis. Honestly I don't trust this crozac either...
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I buy your phone RM1750, since warranty issue. you refund me RM100. So now the price is RM1650. I pay so much money, just to scam you for the earpod? Are you sure? Now u said im the scammer? I have PM many people that sell iphone 5 in lowyat forum. I can screenshot if you want. Do you said that my intention for buying iphone 5 is to scam people earpod? Do you think i have so many time to do that?
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 22 2013, 08:09 PM)
I agreed. Previously I did not defend my self and I ended up a dispute tag. However, that doesn't give anyone privilege to scam, spam and ranting over my selling thread. Again, I hope you can see things case by case basis. Honestly I don't trust this crozac either...
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And why didn't you defend yourself one year ago? I thought your conscience was clear ? If your device is a SME set like you mentioned then why didn't you explain yourself?

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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 22 2013, 08:14 PM)
Once bitten twice shy...
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I buy your phone RM1750, since warranty issue. you refund me RM100. So now the price is RM1650. I pay so much money, just to scam you for the earpod? Are you sure? Now u said im the scammer? I have PM many people that sell iphone 5 in lowyat forum. I can screenshot if you want. Do you said that my intention for buying iphone 5 is to scam people earpod? Do you think i have so many time to do that?
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Your words are full of illusions. Sorry, I don't trust you anymore.
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And why didn't you defend yourself one year ago? I thought your conscience was clear ? If your device is a SME set like you mentioned then why didn't you explain yourself?

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2316288

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I buy your phone with the first price you giving me. Im not asking for any discount at all. A lot of other user sell much cheaper than you, with more time warranty. I choose your phone because of the so call "10month" warranty. Now you accuse me that i want more money from you? Are you sure about that?

I ask to meet me to discuss about this fake earphone face to face, you refuse. Why?

I ask for full refund and i give back all of your items. And you said no? Why?

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I buy your phone with the first price you giving me. Im not asking for any discount at all. A lot of other user sell much cheaper than you, with more time warranty. I choose your phone because of the so call "10month" warranty. Now you accuse me that i want more money from you? Are you sure about that?

I ask to meet me to discuss about this fake earphone face to face, you refuse. Why?

I ask for full refund and i give back all of your items. And you said no? Why?
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One reason, you are too good in telling lies.
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QUOTE(Crozac @ Dec 22 2013, 08:26 PM)
I buy your phone with the first price you giving me. Im not asking for any discount at all. A lot of other user sell much cheaper than you, with more time warranty. I choose your phone because of the so call "10month" warranty. Now you accuse me that i want more money from you? Are you sure about that?

I ask to meet me to discuss about this fake earphone face to face, you refuse. Why?

I ask for full refund and i give back all of your items. And you said no? Why?
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LOL Rubbish seller.

1. State full set but didn't provide EarPods just because "some" people don't provide handsfree during their deal?
My Verdict: Rubbish defense. If you care to say FULL set make sure it's full set unless you failed to comprehend the meaning of FULL set. If you don't want to provide them STATE at your thread.

2. Claim warranty to be up to 2014 but ended up being only 2013, reason being "....i personally check on the apple warranty website and it shown Sept 2014"?
My Verdict: Dude you high? You think S/N can simply change overnight? Warranty status has already been proven to be 2013 and you still BS here?

3. Keep pushing to own seller?
My Verdict: Dude it's simple. It's your problem if you got conned. Why blame others for your own stupidity? And now you try to push the blame to buyer saying he's trying to con you? LMAO.

Conclusion: This seller is a master in cookin up stories. Future buyers, BEWARE.
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One reason, you are too good in telling lies.
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Let the admin/mod decide all this. You are the one that telling lies since day one. I dont have so many time like you to scam people. And this is not the first time i buy something in lowyat forum. You are the scammer and keep wasting my time. People can judge.
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BTW TS, the fake EarPods usually look 1-1. No point taking photos to show IMO.
I work and live in Guangzhou and the people there sell it at a street price of RMB15 (about RM8).
An original one costs RM109. You totally got ripped.

PS: An AppleCare+ plan which gives a user 1 year additional warranty for iPhones costs USD99 (about RM300).
Damn.

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QUOTE(Crozac @ Dec 22 2013, 08:38 PM)
Let the admin/mod decide all this. You are the one that telling lies since day one.  I dont have so many time like you to scam people. And this is not the first time i buy something in lowyat forum. You are the scammer and keep wasting my time. People can judge.
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Your first lie, you will forego warranty issue if I refund you rm100
2nd lie, the earpod
3rd lie, I sold you my first price as u never keep pressing my price.

Yes let admin decides what kind of scammer you are.
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Your first lie, you will forego warranty issue if I refund you rm100
2nd lie, the earpod
3rd lie, I sold you my first price as u never keep pressing my price.

Yes let admin decides what kind of scammer you are.
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If you said that im lying. I ask once again, come meet me face 2 face. I can return all of your item. And you refund my money. Simple.
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If you said that im lying. I ask once again, come meet me face 2 face. I can return all of your item. And you refund my money. Simple.
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are you high or something? U have told so many lies here and expect me to meet up? You bought RM1750 from me??? Hello, it was RM1500 after you kept on pressing my price. I have refunded RM100 and yet you have the face to ask for full refund.

You are the worse buyer i ever had.

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are you high or something? U have told so many lies here and expect me to meet up? You bought RM1750 from me??? Hello, it was RM1500 after you kept on pressing my price. I have refunded RM100 and yet you have the face to ask for full refund.

You are the worse buyer i ever had.
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How you do your math? 1750 - 100 = 1650. that the amount of refund. Get it? When did i pressing your price? i paid 1750 the first day. i can show my whatsap message here the price we deal.
Now u said i bought it rm1500 coz im pressing your price? Hahahahahah my lucky day to prove u lied. I will post whatsap message here.

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info : he ask me to go giant kota damansara. but after discusion, we decide to go maybank the curve. i also have prove that we change location. ill post if needed.

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QUOTE(Crozac @ Dec 22 2013, 09:11 PM)
How you do your math? 1750 - 100 = 1650. that the amount of refund. Get it? When did i pressing your price? i paid 1750 the first day. i can show my whatsap message here the price we deal.
Now u said i bought it rm1500 coz im pressing your price? Hahahahahah my lucky day to prove u lied. I will post whatsap message here.

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haha...got you. now you know the feeling of being lied?
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haha...got you. now you know the feeling of being lied?
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I dunno what drama you want to create more. Lets the admin decide and judge.
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just wanted you to feel what i felt thus far.

I have also proof he has broken his promise.


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just wanted you to feel what i felt thus far.

I have also proof he has broken his promise.
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I dont know what you are trying proof here. I have no problem with this screenshot at all. Everything good. But please answer the lie about your statement in my previous post/screenshot.

Please admin and mod come to jugde my case.

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I dont know what you are trying do proof here. I have no problem with this screenshot at all. Everything good. But please answer the lie about your statement in my previous post/screenshot.
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If everything is ok, why you kept on repeating the warranty issue? now some more the earpod issue. Did i not explain that it was from my previous seller and i gave you what i got.

Ok, tell me then, is the charger ori?
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Just give the buyer back his money and take back your phone. Its not reflecting well on you right now. By claiming the seller is lying is not helping at all too.
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Just give the buyer back his money and take back your phone. Its not reflecting well on you right now. By claiming the seller is lying is not helping at all too.
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We cod and he tested the phone and he also agreed on the warranty issue. Pls refer to my whatsapp. I dont believe him anymore as he could scam me with fake charger and fake cable later.

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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 22 2013, 09:42 PM)
We cod and he tested the phone and he also agreed on the warranty issue. Pls refer to my whatsapp. I dont believe him anymore as he could scam me with fake charger and fake cable later.
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Who are the one lying, he know himself better. biggrin.gif
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suntzulee.. no matter how i read, not bias'ed. Why are you accusing the buyer for the charger now? He want to settle the earpod ONLY with you.

You got scam by the previous seller right? Thats your problem for not knowing ori and fake no?

Now Crozac is your buyer and you hold responsibility to help him right? He found out the earpod is a fake, why not help him instead of accusing him will say everything else is a fake.

This just makes you look like a fool running away with excuses again you know.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(StratOS @ Dec 23 2013, 09:14 AM)
This way too rclxub.gif

suntzulee.. no matter how i read, not bias'ed. Why are you accusing the buyer for the charger now? He want to settle the earpod ONLY with you.

You got scam by the previous seller right? Thats your problem for not knowing ori and fake no?

Now Crozac is your buyer and you hold responsibility to help him right? He found out the earpod is a fake, why not help him instead of accusing him will say everything else is a fake.

This just makes you look like a fool running away with excuses again you know.. doh.gif
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I need to clarify 2 things from him first. Please answer me is the charger is ori? Is the cable also ori? I dont later he come back and scam me again.

If he is honest at the first place, yes i'm willingly to help him from the beginning. However, he already made destruction and nasty remarks here. I also no confident he's telling the truth either. Let him answer me here. If he is honest this time, i'm willing to help him.

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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 23 2013, 10:03 AM)
I need to clarify 2 things from him first. Please answer me is the charger is ori? Is the cable also ori? I dont later he come back and scam me again.

If he is honest at the first place, yes i'm willingly to help him from the beginning. However, he already made destruction and nasty remarks here. I also no confident he's telling the truth either. Let him answer me here. If he is honest this time, i'm willing to help him.
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But the problem now is he already posted a page back saying he only want to settle the earpod with you. The charger and cable is irrelevant.

So if he make a huge fuss over the charger and cable after this we know he is playing with you BUT the case now is he want to settle the earpod with you. blink.gif
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But the problem now is he already posted a page back saying he only want to settle the earpod with you. The charger and cable is irrelevant.

So if he make a huge fuss over the charger and cable after this we know he is playing with you BUT the case now is he want to settle the earpod with you.  blink.gif
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can you guarantee he will not do another second or third trick on me?
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Dude.. he just want to settle the earpod. He stated at almost his every reply ler.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(Crozac @ Dec 22 2013, 07:52 PM)
I already get the charger from you since day 1. I already check, and Im not saying anything about the charger since i receive it. The issue now is about a fake earpod. I dont know why you keep asking about the charger?
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Why u said later? As i said I already, i got the charger since day 1. Im not saying anything about the charger. The earpod is exactly what you send me in the box. You suggest me what prove you want more? We can meet together and ill show you face to face.
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QUOTE(Crozac @ Dec 22 2013, 08:26 PM)
I buy your phone with the first price you giving me. Im not asking for any discount at all. A lot of other user sell much cheaper than you, with more time warranty. I choose your phone because of the so call "10month" warranty. Now you accuse me that i want more money from you? Are you sure about that?

I ask to meet me to discuss about this fake earphone face to face, you refuse. Why?

I ask for full refund and i give back all of your items. And you said no? Why?
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He just want to settle the earpod's.. doh.gif
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are you high or something? U have told so many lies here and expect me to meet up? You bought RM1750 from me??? Hello, it was RM1500 after you kept on pressing my price. I have refunded RM100 and yet you have the face to ask for full refund.

You are the worse buyer i ever had.
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So buyer is lying about price bought too? Or seller lying? Whao...now is it 16XX or 15XX..lol.
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QUOTE(StratOS @ Dec 23 2013, 10:25 AM)
Dude.. he just want to settle the earpod. He stated at almost his every reply ler.. doh.gif
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He just want to settle the earpod's.. doh.gif
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agree... with this statement...
just refund him rm30-40... and close this case
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He just want to settle the earpod's.. doh.gif
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ok i agree to pay him RM30 as one of the forumer quoted here. I will give him the benefit of doubt.
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Why you guys waste your time with this unrepentant serial fraudster? His record speaks for itself.

What TS should do is refer him to the Consumer Tribunal and see if justice can be brought against him there. He is full of bull. All can judge from his posts. Enough said.
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 22 2013, 05:25 PM)
Yes, i sold a iphone 5 16gb maxis set to him last week. During cod i told him the warranty is until Sept 2014 because i personally checked on apple warranty website and the set was belong to my previous seller. I also clearly told him the earpod is used and often buyer dont want it because of hygiene purpose.

After an hour, he kept on whatsapp, sms and calling me while i was driving. Due to repeating distraction, i pull over my car and pick up his call. He told me the warranty is not Sept 2014 but is end December 2013. But i told him it was impossible because i personally check on the apple warranty website and it shown Sept 2014. Nevertheless, i told him that i will check with  my previous seller.

From that night onwards, he kept on disturbing and pestering me about the warranty day after day. After few days, i replied him that i couldn't find the seller as the phone was cut off. Then he asked me to compensate him RM100 for the warranty issue. At first i was contemplating as i am also got conned by my previous seller about the warranty. Eventually i agreed with his terms and he promised he will forgo the warranty issue.

Next, after i sent him the earpod, he said it was fake. Then i explained to him that it was the earpod i got from the previous seller and i did not test whether it is ori or fake. I'm just a trader and i sold phone and all accessories where i got from my previous seller.

I regretted that i refunded him the money if i know he will keep on doing his trick on me. Later i believe he will tell me that the cable and charger is also fake. Then, ask me to refund him again sad.gif

The main reason why i refund the money to him because i know both of us also a victim and i tried my every best to assist him. But he never satisfied and keep on asking me for refund by telling the accessories are fake. I will not believe him anymore. Yet he is spamming my selling thread with his make up story.
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what happens in case 1 stays in case 1. u should do ur own due diligence before selling it
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Why you guys waste your time with this unrepentant serial fraudster? His record speaks for itself.

What TS should do is refer him to the Consumer Tribunal and see if justice can be brought against him there. He is full of bull. All can judge from his posts. Enough said.
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QUOTE(PeeEl @ Dec 23 2013, 12:04 PM)
Why you guys waste your time with this unrepentant serial fraudster? His record speaks for itself.

What TS should do is refer him to the Consumer Tribunal and see if justice can be brought against him there. He is full of bull. All can judge from his posts. Enough said.
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what kind of piece of shit is this seller ? TS clearly state that the earpod is fake . not even once did he mention that the ip5 cable and charger are fake . he even said that those 2 pieces are fine , only the earpod has problem . you know you are the one scamming and yet you accused TS of scamming ? he even has proof that he bought the phone at RM1750 (minus the rm100 for the warranty issue , which is ofc , YOUR MISTAKE IN THE FIRST PLACE) . be a man , refund with original earpod .
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I hope, Mod/Admin can help me in this case faster. I really tired with this sunzlee. As i state clearly. I want the original earpod coz i paid for it for fullset package. Thats it.
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QUOTE(Crozac @ Dec 23 2013, 10:08 PM)
I hope, Mod/Admin can help me in this case faster. I really tired with this sunzlee. As i state clearly. I want the original earpod coz i paid for it for fullset package. Thats it.
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i will give you the benefit of doubt. Refund you the price of a used earpods.
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i will give you the benefit of doubt. Refund you the price of a used earpods.
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Bro, very tired to state the same thing all over again.. I tell you again what i want

1)earpod
2)earpod
3)earpod

I paid already for the fullset. U want to refund used price of earpod. And im sure later i need to topup to get the earpod. Why should i do that? My deal with you is fulset item. Original earpod is part the fullset.

As per whatsapp you send me today, you want to refund used price of earpod. how much it is?

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i will give you the benefit of doubt. Refund you the price of a used earpods.
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QUOTE(Crozac @ Dec 23 2013, 10:50 PM)
Bro, very tired to state the same thing all over again.. I tell you again what i want

1)earpod
2)earpod
3)earpod

I paid already for the fullset. U want to refund used price of earpod. And im sure later i need to topup to get the earpod. Why should i do that? My deal with you is fulset item. Original earpod is part the fullset.

As per whatsapp you send me today, you want to refund used price of earpod. how much it is?
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Not to be biased or what. Its just my suggestion. Im in no way siding either side.

1. Since you want to prove your innocence, suntzulee, why not meet Crozac face to face to solve the earpod issue? Just verify the earpod at an authorized apple retailer. If its fake, then suntzulee refund a new earpod and crozac returns the previous earpod. If its original, then Crozac apologize or treat suntzulee to a meal or something.

2. Full refund from sunztulee and Crozac returns all items in good condition face to face.

Dont need to assume who's gonna ask who to top-up, scam, fake etc.

Just my 2 cents. Im just a prob mod so there ya go. My suggestion.

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QUOTE(Crozac @ Dec 23 2013, 10:50 PM)
Bro, very tired to state the same thing all over again.. I tell you again what i want

1)earpod
2)earpod
3)earpod

I paid already for the fullset. U want to refund used price of earpod. And im sure later i need to topup to get the earpod. Why should i do that? My deal with you is fulset item. Original earpod is part the fullset.

As per whatsapp you send me today, you want to refund used price of earpod. how much it is?
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As i quoted in the whatsapp, RM50. By refunding money, i will not worry you will argue the earpod i sent u again is fake again. Like wise, you will not worry getting a fake earpod. Win win.
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QUOTE(tarvalslain87 @ Dec 23 2013, 10:59 PM)
Not to be biased or what. Its just my suggestion. Im in no way siding either side.

1. Since you want to prove your innocence, suntzulee, why not meet Crozac face to face to solve the earpod issue? Just verify the earpod at an authorized apple retailer. If its fake, then suntzulee refund a new earpod and crozac returns the previous earpod. If its original, then Crozac apologize or treat suntzulee to a meal or something.

2. Full refund from sunztulee and Crozac returns all items in good condition face to face.

Dont need to assume who's gonna ask who to top-up, scam, fake etc.

Just my 2 cents. Im just a prob mod so there ya go. My suggestion.
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Hi bro, thanks for helping. Your option 1 is workable. However there is a problem, the price that i sold him is an used earpod. How can i refund him a new earpod. Is not fair for me.

In addition, how i know when we meet up, he's taking a fake earpod to show me? He doesnt trust me and i dont trust him either. Best i refund him an used earpod price.
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 23 2013, 11:01 PM)
As i quoted in the whatsapp, RM50. By refunding money, i will not worry you will argue the earpod i sent u again is fake again. Like wise, you will not worry getting a fake earpod. Win win.
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 23 2013, 11:06 PM)
Hi bro, thanks for helping. Your option 1 is workable. However there is a problem, the price that i sold him is an used earpod. How can i refund him a new earpod. Is not fair for me.

In addition, how i know when we meet up, he's taking a fake earpod to show me? He doesnt trust me and i dont trust him either. Best i refund him an used earpod price.
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Why dont you just refund him/her RM109 (price of an earpod in apple store) and he/she gives you back the claimed fake earpod. Since its not his/her fault that you get a fake earpod and since you are a trader, its your responsibility now for your buyer.

Im sure Crozac would agree to this and solve this case.



In my opinion with a dispute tag, you are on a losing side since people dont trust you. I think by doing that it will at least clear your name wouldnt it? He/She dont trust you and neither do you. Reputation for a trader definitely worth more than that extra RM59. Meeting face to face will solve this better where it shows sincerity.

Logically for me, Crozac wouldnt waste his/her time creating this thread, PMing me multiple times to solve this case etc just for an earpod?

Just solve this and go on with your business.

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1st .. seller still a scammer
2nd .. buyer just want an earpod (new)
3rd .. seller still a scammer ..
4th .. seller is noob because got scam by previous ip5 owner .. scam the scammer

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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 23 2013, 11:01 PM)
As i quoted in the whatsapp, RM50. By refunding money, i will not worry you will argue the earpod i sent u again is fake again. Like wise, you will not worry getting a fake earpod. Win win.
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ya rm50. so i need to topup to get the earpod. thats what i dont want. i already paid for it in you fullset deal. why should i spend more money to get the earpod? u tell me..

If you send me the original one, ill not argue more. thats my promise. but since you refuse. we can arrange to meet at the same place, which is maybank the curve. and i will test it in front of you. then this problem will settle.

the key thing here, if you send me original earpod by postage or by hand. this case will settle.

to remind you.. this issue will not occur at all, if you provide me the original earpod for the first place. I just want to claim my right which is the earpod, because i already paid for it. Thats it. I already waste a lot of time because you provide me a fake earpod.

I will not accept your refund (rm50) because i know, after this i need to topup to get the original earpod. why should i do that. I PAID already for fullset item from you. you should provide me the original earpod coz your are responsible with the item you sell. do i clear about this?
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QUOTE(Crozac @ Dec 23 2013, 11:16 PM)
ya rm50. so i need to topup to get the earpod. thats what i dont want. i already paid for it in you fullset deal. why should i spend more money to get the earpod? u tell me..

If you send me the original one, ill not argue more. thats my promise. but since you refuse. we can arrange to meet at the same place, which is maybank the curve. and i will test it in front of you. then this problem will settle.

the key thing here, if you send me original earpod by postage or by hand. this case will settle.

to remind you.. this issue will not occur at all, if you provide me the original earpod for the first place. I just want to claim my right which is the earpod, because i already paid for it. Thats it. I already waste a lot of time because you provide me a fake earpod.

I will not accept your refund (rm50) because i know, after this i need to topup to get the original earpod. why should i do that. I PAID already for fullset item from you. you should provide me the original earpod coz your are responsible with the item you sell. do i clear about this?
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bro i think this seller is not so clever .. u just want ur earpod .. he should be thankful that you not complaining about the warranty .. cause he did said warranty until 2014 .. siyesly .. i thought all scammer are clever .. damn!

anyway good luck bro .. next time check background 1st before buying anything anywhere online smile.gif
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QUOTE(tarvalslain87 @ Dec 23 2013, 11:09 PM)
Why dont you just refund him/her RM109 (price of an earpod in apple store) and he/she gives you back the claimed fake earpod. Since its not his/her fault that you get a fake earpod and since you are a trader, its your responsibility now for your buyer.

Im sure Crozac would agree to this and solve this case.
In my opinion with a dispute tag, you are on a losing side since people dont trust you. I think by doing that it will at least clear your name wouldnt it? He/She dont trust you and neither do you. Reputation for a trader definitely worth more than that extra RM59. Meeting face to face will solve this better where it shows sincerity.

Logically for me, Crozac wouldnt waste his/her time creating this thread, PMing me multiple times to solve this case etc just for an earpod?

Just solve this and go on with your business.
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Not fair to me at all. First i suspected he scam me the earpod. Can you guarantee he did not scam me? He said the earpod is fake and you believe him? Since, you said i'm at the losing side. Fine. I will give him the benefit of doubt and refund him a used earpod but not a new earpod. The whole deal is used unit. That's the best i can do for him
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 23 2013, 11:20 PM)
Not fair to me at all. First i suspected he scam me the earpod. Can you guarantee he did not scam me? He said the earpod is fake and you believe him? Since, you said i'm at the losing side. Fine. I will give him the benefit of doubt and refund him a used earpod but not a new earpod. The whole deal is used unit. That's the best i can do for him
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Ok but can I guarantee that you didnt purposely put in a used earpod? I cant guarantee either one. If its a used unit, then get a used original earpod if you wanna go through the hassle. Im sure Crozac wouldnt mind eaither as long as its a workable used original earpod.

I believe him due to the information you guys provide in the few pages of posts. Like I say logically, why would someone go through so much hassle to scam you for a new earpod? Agree in meeting you face to face again wasting time, petrol, money etc.

Or you can always choose option 2.

Im here to give my opinions. In the end both of you have to come out with a solution.

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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 23 2013, 11:20 PM)
Not fair to me at all. First i suspected he scam me the earpod. Can you guarantee he did not scam me? He said the earpod is fake and you believe him? Since, you said i'm at the losing side. Fine. I will give him the benefit of doubt and refund him a used earpod but not a new earpod. The whole deal is used unit. That's the best i can do for him
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you can search this forum. there are people selling original used earpod. why dont you get from them coz it is used condition and cheaper that new one. and send me by hand. i can test on the spot in front of you. the original earpod is original earpod. or we can go apple store together for checking. and this problem settle.
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buyer already negotiate for used earpod still dont want to settle .. doh.gif
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QUOTE(Crozac @ Dec 23 2013, 11:32 PM)
you can search this forum. there are people selling original used earpod. why dont you get from them coz it is used condition and cheaper that new one. and send me by hand. i can test on the spot in front of you. the original earpod is original earpod. or we can go apple store together for checking. and this problem settle.
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If this is what you wish. Honestly, this will go through a lot of hassle compared to my immediate refund. When i get a seller, will arrange cod to test it.
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If this is what you wish. Honestly, this will go through a lot of hassle compared to my immediate refund. When i get a seller, will arrange cod to test it.
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Ok. I agree with this.
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If this is what you wish. Honestly, this will go through a lot of hassle compared to my immediate refund. When i get a seller, will arrange cod to test it.
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3076625

Hurry go buy, original unused with rm59.00
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QUOTE(acexii @ Dec 24 2013, 11:08 AM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3076625

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i pm him already. Waiting for reply...
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i pm him already. Waiting for reply...
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This sunzlee play way too many drama. As i state before, i want to meet him at same place like before. maybank the curve coz it is easy for me and easy for him. Now he arrange one COD with i dont know who (the earpod seller) at Taman Mayang (yesterday), Petrol pump Sunway pyramid (today). And ask me to go meet that seller to take the earpod..

I dont know what to say again with this sunzlee. he suppose to deal with his earpod seller, then settle this problem with me. What is wrong with this sunzlee. He wont settle this the easy way. And llways put me on his problem.

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QUOTE(tarvalslain87 @ Dec 23 2013, 11:29 PM)
Ok but can I guarantee that you didnt purposely put in a used earpod? I cant guarantee either one. If its a used unit, then get a used original earpod if you wanna go through the hassle. Im sure Crozac wouldnt mind eaither as long as its a workable used original earpod.

I believe him due to the information you guys provide in the few pages of posts. Like I say logically, why would someone go through so much hassle to scam you for a new earpod? Agree in meeting you face to face again wasting time, petrol, money etc.

Or you can always choose option 2.

Im here to give my opinions. In the end both of you have to come out with a solution.
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Hi bro, today i have made arrangement since yesterday to cod with a earpod seller. So i whatsapp crozac to meet up as well so he can test the earpod whether is ori or not. However crozac refused to meet at seller's place and insisted at the curve. The seller is from sunway pyramid and he already said only can cod at there. Now you see, crozac is giving all these problems to me and dont want to co operate. This is getting too much and i cant help him anymore.

Pls judge from the whatsapp record. Apparently he dont trust me and i dont trust him either.

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Hi bro, today i have made arrangement since yesterday to cod with a earpod seller. So i whatsapp crozac to meet up as well so he can test the earpod whether is ori or not. However crozac refused to meet at seller's place and insisted at the curve. The seller is from sunway pyramid and he already said only can cod at there. Now you see, crozac is giving all these problems to me and dont want to co operate. This is getting too much and i cant help him anymore.

Pls judge from the whatsapp record. Apparently he dont trust me and i dont trust him either.
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ya, i want to provide same screenshot. good thing you post it here.
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The seller suggested another place, amcorp mall today. can come or not?
If cant, fine again. I will find a seller until one who sells used earpod at the curve, PJ as you wanted.
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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 25 2013, 11:00 AM)
The seller suggested another place, amcorp mall today. can come or not?
If cant, fine again. I will find a seller until one who sells used earpod at the curve, PJ as you wanted.
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Why don't you buy the earpods from the seller first and meet crozac back at the same place? I know crozac is being unreasonable this time but nothing you can do. You are at a losing side now. Better settle this fast
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QUOTE(victorian @ Dec 25 2013, 11:03 AM)
Why don't you buy the earpods from the seller first and meet crozac back at the same place? I know crozac is being unreasonable this time but nothing you can do.  You are at a losing side now.  Better settle this fast
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bro, the reason why i want crozac to meet up together is to test the earpod whether is ori or not. I'm no expert in this. In addition, i have also have the seller as my witness that crozac testified it is ori and he will not argue back again later.

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I want to COD at Maybank the Curve because I already know the place.
If you want to COD other place, Setapak or Gombak is a good choice, but i cant put such demand coz u wont agree for sure.

One more thing is maybe i dont clear about your plan. So please state clearly in this thread. So i can understand.
If you want me to meet the seller myself only, I dont want. Coz i dont want to involve with your deal with your seller. It is not my responsible and my problem. Cleared?

BUT, if you want me to go with you, and meet the seller to check the item. Im totally agree. We meet at maybank the curve and Ill follow your car to where ever the place you deal with your seller. Coz im not familiar with all the place you suggest. problem solve.


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QUOTE(suntzulee @ Dec 25 2013, 11:05 AM)
bro, the reason why i want crozac to meet up together is to test the earpod whether is ori or not. I'm no expert in this. In addition, i have also have the seller as my witness that crozac testified it is ori and he will not argue back again later.
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Go together with ts & earpod seller to nearest machine or mac city to verify the earpod. Take video the verification as back up for evidence.
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I really don't know what's in his head. He called me 30 mins ago while I was driving. Then when I reply him & he asked me to answer in this forum....


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I really don't know what's in his head. He called me 30 mins ago while I was driving. Then when I reply him & he asked me to answer in this forum....
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Yes I want you to read my last post here. And answer it. I give suggestion there. Today im free so i want to settle this problem.
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Yes I want you to read my last post here. And answer it. I give suggestion there. Today im free so i want to settle this problem.
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My car doesnt take stranger and what more is you. Today is public holiday and jam everywhere. LRT is the best transportation. You may meet me there at lrt station. Let me know early as i still need to arrange with the seller.
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My car doesnt take stranger and what more is you. Today is public holiday and jam everywhere. LRT is the best transportation. You may meet me there at lrt station. Let me know early as i still need to arrange with the seller.
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I have my own car. Ill follow back of your car. Haiya. Dunno what u think la.
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I have my own car. Ill follow back of your car. Haiya. Dunno what u think la.
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today road too jam. use LRT. if you dont want to settle today, the deal is off for the seller. If you insist using car, can. Pls use gps and point to amcorp mall. It will direct you there or google where is it.

Do google for you https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Setapak+...t=h&mra=ls&z=13

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today road too jam. use LRT. if you dont want to settle today, the deal is off for the seller. If you insist using car, can. Pls use gps and point to amcorp mall. It will direct you there or google where is it.

Do google for you https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Setapak+...t=h&mra=ls&z=13
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Its not about the ts , its about you . You should settle everything for him since you made a mistake earlier on . Stop pushing everything to TS . Just my 2 cent .
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Today i join, sunzlee with his earpod seller at Sunway Pyramid. Everthing is good. I already got the original earpod, and return the fake earpod to sunzlee. Thnx everyone. Case closed.

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