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English Clubs Liverpool Kop Talk 2013, Liv vs Stoke - CH811 or 831 @ 2355

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post Dec 28 2013, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 28 2013, 12:02 PM)
It's like I've said countless times, we need to look at the times decisions have gone our way as well. It all balances up in the end. Skrtel for example could have been penalised multiple times this season for shirt grabbing, the same offence some fans are up in arms over that Kompany committed.
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Duke bro, I had noticed everytime we are on defensive set piece situation(free kick or corner), Skrtel would always look to block/push his marker rather than winning the ball. Any thought on this? Is it because he knows he cant win the ball?

Some people suggest he is the MOTM against City because of the important sliding challenge/block he made, but for me, if not for his mistake for the first goal, the result can be different. I still think MOTM against City is Suarez.

Btw, thanks for your deep thought on the previous post, really great to read it, some people would only focus on what happen on the pitch, knowing our financial, administration and long term strategy is really great.
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post Dec 28 2013, 01:38 PM

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Just let the City game move on, we will be facing another top 4 on Monday morning 12.00am, so I really hope those stupid and incompetent decision from the ref not happen again in this game. Yeah, Torres!
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post Dec 28 2013, 01:46 PM

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i hope BR and players know we are please with their performance against MenCity and we are asking the same performance against Chelsea tomorrow....
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post Dec 28 2013, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 28 2013, 09:14 AM)

I did not say Liv has no financial power.
I said financial power make a big difference whether whoever team can rise. (As dillon pointed the rise of blue or Spurs or whoever that may mean Liv has tougher competition)
So bigger stadium, better merchandised and business plan that build the financial power is very crucial for Liv further progress.
So if Liv can build up financial power, there is needless to fear other can rise or not, or whether they settled down or not. 


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So the worry is about whether Liv will have financial power or strength to compete as well as good players around to compete on the top. But not about other whether they are more settled or not.

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I had seen how Liv from a dominating force in First Division and Europe, then down to the packing order behind ManUtd, Arsenal, Chelsea, now even behind Mancity.

Complacency. Happy what they had, while other busy developing their team and financial power, Liv was status quo.
Once they get pass, you have mountain to climb or may not able to climb back as well.

That's why I repeated said, don't be overjoyed until the last match of the season.
There is too much false dawn in the past already.

Yes, currently there is much joy for supporters to see on top before Christmas and even 4th after Boxing day. But we have to remind ourself that this team is still far from a title contender, many improvement need to be made.

I did say Liv has good progress so far, just my pov that the progress is not until the title contender material or not yet reach that level. smile.gif
Is there any wrong that my pov that Liv is not a title contender yet?
While if my view Liv is not a title contender yet, why it can spoil the joy of other supporter? Even myself glad to see current Liv standing and progress, despite I view Liv is not a title contender (or yet).
I also giggle why cannot agree to disagree on title contender issue, and how it can spoil other joy. smile.gif
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You think you are the only one here who have seen the 3 European Cups and 19 titles? rolleyes.gif

A real fan would probably mention the tragedies of Hillsborough and Heysel. nod.gif

iTS not your realistic view of a non title contender but
Every step is met by a jab from you. You certainly don't come across as a optimistic fan.

A fan would welcome the troughs as well as the crests of supporting Liverpool FC.

As for the other clubs managing their finances while Liverpool was complacent, all they did was sold out to oil shieks and Ruskie mobster.Call that management?
I suggest the history and culture is more than that. That's why MancsC and Crapski will always crave for the culture that we have and they don't inspite
of their recent triumphs dominated by easy financing.

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post Dec 28 2013, 01:47 PM

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post Dec 28 2013, 01:51 PM

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The amount of repetition by some fans is seriously tiring and not to mention their negativity also feed others, who recycled their junk for a rhetorics....I agree that had they bother to look in finer details, they wouldve notice the changes happening to the team, from team play, to how the club is being manage. AS it stand, they still write with intent to embarass themselves, there's nothing a fellow kopite can do for some of their lack of awareness.

I support what BR said about the refereeing and i did mentioned earlier, if the linesman decide to turn hero, the spot light should be directed to him..its his call, he should live with it...BR merely point the direction where the spotlight, i felt nothing wrong with that....btw its my pet peeves, especially linesman to make the call - for penalty, or very bad line call....Altho I am critical of lee mason too, but decisions good or bad, they even out but never decide the title or league position, dont they...

If our prev squad is thin, now is even thinner without VM...just wish the backup are ready when call upon..could it be the same 1st eleven against city? maybe...but i hope BR would rotate a lil....as I felt Sakho already feeling the strain...a fit and top defender dont lose focus towards the final minutes...
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 28 2013, 01:46 PM)

You think  you are the only one here who have seen the 3 European Cups and 19 titles?  rolleyes.gif

A real fan would probably mention the tragedies of Hillsborough and Heysel.  nod.gif

iTS not your realistic view of a non title contender but
Every step is met by a jab from you. You certainly don't come across as a optimistic fan.

A fan would welcome the troughs as well as the crests of supporting Liverpool FC.

As for the other clubs managing their finances while Liverpool was complacent, all they did was sold out to oil shieks and Ruskie mobster.Call that management?
I suggest the history and culture is more than that. That's why MancsC and Crapski will always crave for the culture that we have and they don't inspite
of their recent triumphs dominated by easy financing.
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i only remember seeing heysel on live tv...and wondering wtf the match not yet started.
and as fans we should be thankful that we didnt get thaksin as owner back then tongue.gif


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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 28 2013, 01:47 PM)
If it happens to Maureen, he will scream to the rooftop of the world and The FA will fine him tongue.gif
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IF twas Fergie, the lineman would be relegated to the out regions of the irish league.
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QUOTE(AmmoShaf @ Dec 28 2013, 12:32 PM)
Duke bro, I had noticed everytime we are on defensive set piece situation(free kick or corner), Skrtel would always look to block/push his marker rather than winning the ball. Any thought on this? Is it because he knows he cant win the ball?

Some people suggest he is the MOTM against City because of the important sliding challenge/block he made, but for me, if not for his mistake for the first goal, the result can be different. I still think MOTM against City is Suarez.

Btw, thanks for your deep thought on the previous post, really great to read it, some people would only focus on what happen on the pitch, knowing our financial, administration and long term strategy is really great.
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quite alot of defenders do that la...why want to make it easier for them to get the ball...as long as they all dont trip and fall over...the ref probably wont see.
but some good attacking teams can take advantage of the pushing etc if they know which defenders like doing it and use it as decoy to create space for others...


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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 28 2013, 02:02 PM)
quite alot of defenders do that la...why want to make it easier for them to get the ball...as long as they all dont trip and fall over...the ref probably wont see.
but some good attacking teams can take advantage of the pushing etc if they know which defenders like doing it and use it as decoy to create space for others...
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Yep. Shirt tugging is a common sight in the pen area during setpiece. I think most if not all the refs in England see it as fair game. But they are more critical when it comes to push and pull. Having said this, the ref must also use common sense la. Kompany and Skrtel are two big CBs so maybe you let them tussle. But perhaps protect the small sized players who can't compete physically.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 28 2013, 02:02 PM)
quite alot of defenders do that la...why want to make it easier for them to get the ball...as long as they all dont trip and fall over...the ref probably wont see.
but some good attacking teams can take advantage of the pushing etc if they know which defenders like doing it and use it as decoy to create space for others...
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No, I know push and block are normal to defend a set piece, but push and block without even trying to win the ball is different. quite a lot of defender do that? Which defender, top team defender? Terry, Kompany, and other top class defender wont do that.
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post Dec 28 2013, 02:41 PM

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An interesting observation on why we are doing poorly in setpiece from the ever insightful Rawk. The guy that wrote it is a part-time coach or something.

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It's certainly a huge issue, but I also think we need to apply a slightly different slant to it too. The biggest culprits in our set-piece defending are actually Rafa players. This isn't a slight on Rafa (a sainted man), but he was very much into micromanaging the tactics of the game - you can see it in his sideline behaviour as he directs, redirects and repositions players every few minutes. So in effect, when he worked on set-pieces, everyone had a job to do, and they weren't to deviate from it. Clarke is much the same, and you could see his imprint at both Liverpool and West Brom in that sense. Rodgers, though, expects his players to work it out for themselves. In the attack phase, Kenny was the same - he believed the players had to be able to create on their own. So to a degree, there is a form of learned helplessness from some of our players in these situations. It's the one compromise I think Rodgers could make to his methods, with a tip of the hat to Rafa. Set-pieces are the one part of the game you CAN rehearse and micromanage, and we're suffering a little because of the freewheeling nature of how Rodgers sees the game. It makes for a brilliant attack though!

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QUOTE(AmmoShaf @ Dec 28 2013, 02:27 PM)
No, I know push and block are normal to defend a set piece, but push and block without even trying to win the ball is different. quite a lot of defender do that? Which defender, top team defender? Terry, Kompany, and other top class defender wont do that.
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QUOTE(hfi @ Dec 28 2013, 02:41 PM)
An interesting observation on why we are doing poorly in setpiece from the ever insightful Rawk. The guy that wrote it is a part-time coach or something.
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the guy who wrote it sounds delusional.
at the start, he blames 'rafa' players.
at the end, he blames rodgers for his freewheeling nature.

rubbish article if u ask me.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Dec 28 2013, 02:07 PM)
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the restaurant doesnt belong to fowler...haha.
marco is a multi-millionaire himself, hes probably just using / partnering with fowler in the hopes lfc fans will come in droves to his restaurant tongue.gif
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When we are talking about the current landscape of the football nowadays, and how money play a huge factor in influencing the success of some clubs, there you go again, some "true" fans appear out of nowhere with their same old rhetorics slagging their fellow kopites accusing them of spreading negativity and the same usual BS.

It's not so hard to stick to the point, isn't it?

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 28 2013, 02:49 PM)
the guy who wrote it sounds delusional.
at the start, he blames 'rafa' players.
at the end, he blames rodgers for his freewheeling nature.

rubbish article if u ask me.
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Hmm it makes sense to me. If Rafa's players were heavily depended on Rafa and Clark to intervene during setpieces, then it make a compelling reason that they now perform poorly without those interventions and having to improvise on the fly.
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QUOTE(hfi @ Dec 28 2013, 03:03 PM)
Hmm it makes sense to me. If Rafa's players were heavily depended on Rafa and Clark to intervene during setpieces, then it make a compelling reason that they now perform poorly without those interventions and having to improvise on the fly.
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assuming hes talking about the city game, technically 3 'rafa' players on the pitch that day...tho johnson didnt get to play much with rafa.
so quite easy to blame the 2 then eh? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 28 2013, 03:14 PM)
assuming hes talking about the city game, technically 3 'rafa' players on the pitch that day...tho johnson didnt get to play much with rafa.
so quite easy to blame the 2 then eh? tongue.gif
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He's talking about our it generally. Apparently 43% of the goals we conceded this season have been from set-pieces.

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