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dillonyong
post Dec 28 2013, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(digilife @ Dec 28 2013, 09:45 AM)
The FA is investigating BR comment on Mason, will we get back our dis allow goal ?

There was video evidence to proof.
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Normally they investigate to see if they can fine the manager and the club. That is the FA
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post Dec 28 2013, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 28 2013, 09:59 AM)
Normally they investigate to see if they can fine the manager and the club. That is the FA
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post Dec 28 2013, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(digilife @ Dec 28 2013, 10:04 AM)
Oh ya FA chief is on Scum's payroll too
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 28 2013, 09:42 AM)
Plus all they do is label us as contender for everything - from title to europe to mid table to relegation survivor contender, wow, we will be relegated because we cannot stand the word "contender".

Now I may sound like a composer biggrin.gif
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its not about chickening out but how the team handles the pressure. seems that the team handled it better this season than the last few seasons flex.gif flex.gif

above all, still would love to see the team maintaining the form they have til the end of season! thumbup.gif
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post Dec 28 2013, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 28 2013, 09:45 AM)
Modern football is about $$ now.
If Liv has no financial power to pay top player at 100~200k pounds per week, and the team is not competing in CL, do you think any top player will stay in the team for 3-4 years and wait the team to develop and progress?

I did not say Liv has no financial power, don't get me wrong.
I just said, financial power is also a very crucial factor how Liv can progress.
At the moment, Liv financial power under FSG is rather ok.

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Absolutely agree with you cherroy. The landscape of EPL football has changed dramatically since the day Man U commercialize football. Those who fail to see this or adapt to these changes will eventually get left behind.

Dortmund? What about Dortmund? Sure they won the Bundesliga for one season, but now their best players are slowly being pried away from the club one by one, GUESS WHO? By richer clubs. Even a great coach like Jurgen Klopp will not be able to sustain the success of the club without solid financial backing. If Liverpool does win the EPL this season, are they able to sustain the success and maintain their competency level for the next 2-3 seasons like Manchester United, Barca or Bayern Munich? Valencia under Rafa was a great team, built from ground up, but can they SUSTAIN the success level after they won the La Liga? Look at where are they right now?

That is the sad reality we are in right now, thanks to Abramovich and his ilk.

Will injecting a huge investment in the club yields success? At first I was a bit skeptical to the idea, but looking at Chelsea,Man Citeh it's hard to rebuke the fact anymore. And I'm not even talking about investing to win trophies, I'm talking about investing to stay competitive. The game is to KEEP UP not CATCH UP. Unless you have a coach like Arsene Wenger.....but even Wenger has his turbulent days in Arsenal for not splashing the cash.

This is modern football. FIFA financial fairplay rules is is not created out of amusement and boredom. Someone exploited it and now it has become cancerous. It's either we join the elite or we get left behind.

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post Dec 28 2013, 10:28 AM

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FA should be investigating who appointed a Manchester referee for Manchester City vs Liverpool game, this is much more crucial than anything, how can such a low class error can be made by FA which is more than hundreds years of history. Second thing is why the linesman can easily given an offside decision when he is standing behind the last defender? All these are really low class error. Now most of the games are not really won the team with their true strength, but referee helped them to win the game, if Sterling did not wrongly judge and the goal allowed, this whole game would be totally different. But I have to admit that our defender not really doing well especially Martin Skrtel, he should be standing in front Kompany to win the header, I really don't know why he used to stand behind the opponent and allow them to win the header. Look back to those game we have lost, most of the errors were from our defenders, especially Skrtel who used to give opponent the advantage to win the header!

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QUOTE(feelfree @ Dec 28 2013, 10:28 AM)
FA should be investigating who appointed a Manchester referee for Manchester City vs Liverpool game, this is much more crucial than anything, how can such a low class error can be made by FA which is more than hundreds years of history. Second thing is why the linesman can easily given an offside decision when he is standing behind the last defender? All these are really low class error. Now most of the games are not really won the team with their true strength, but referee helped them to win the game, if Sterling did not wrongly judge and the goal allowed, this whole game would be totally different. But I have to admit that our defender not really doing well especially Martin Skrtel, he should be standing in front Kompany to win the header, I really don't know why he used to stand behind the opponent and allow them to win the header. Look back to those game we have lost, most of the errors were from our defenders, especially Skrtel who used to give opponent the advantage to win the header!
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post Dec 28 2013, 10:43 AM

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So whatever it is, Fernando, Pastore, Salah, Betul, Mabuk, tongue.gif just sign... we need to gamble now. Because we dont have Euro distraction. Our main aim is to pounce on the 2nd half when our rivals are feeling fatigue with Europe Hangover. Of course Man City have the squad to compete, etc etc...and bla bla bla... but they are still inconsistent and it is evident that part time bench fellas aint gelling all over that well yet.

I am sure John Henry sees this opportunity as well as BR.
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post Dec 28 2013, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(wadefak @ Dec 28 2013, 10:14 AM)
its not about chickening out but how the team handles the pressure. seems that the team handled it better this season than the last few seasons flex.gif  flex.gif

above all, still would love to see the team maintaining the form they have til the end of season! thumbup.gif
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post Dec 28 2013, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(digilife @ Dec 28 2013, 09:45 AM)
The FA is investigating BR comment on Mason, will we get back our dis allow goal ?

There was video evidence to proof.
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is it possible to get the goal and claim 1point? hmm.gif
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post Dec 28 2013, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 28 2013, 09:14 AM)
I did not say Liv has no financial power.
I said financial power make a big difference whether whoever team can rise. (As dillon pointed the rise of blue or Spurs or whoever that may mean Liv has tougher competition)
So bigger stadium, better merchandised and business plan that build the financial power is very crucial for Liv further progress.
So if Liv can build up financial power, there is needless to fear other can rise or not, or whether they settled down or not.

I had seen how Liv from a dominating force in First Division and Europe, then down to the packing order behind ManUtd, Arsenal, Chelsea, now even behind Mancity.

Complacency. Happy what they had, while other busy developing their team and financial power, Liv was status quo.
Once they get pass, you have mountain to climb or may not able to climb back as well.

That's why I repeated said, don't be overjoyed until the last match of the season.
There is too much false dawn in the past already.

Yes, currently there is much joy for supporters to see on top before Christmas and even 4th after Boxing day. But we have to remind ourself that this team is still far from a title contender, many improvement need to be made.

I did say Liv has good progress so far, just my pov that the progress is not until the title contender material or not yet reach that level.  smile.gif
Is there any wrong that my pov that Liv is not a title contender yet?
While if my view Liv is not a title contender yet, why it can spoil the joy of other supporter? Even myself glad to see current Liv standing and progress, despite I view Liv is not a title contender (or yet).
I also giggle why cannot agree to disagree on title contender issue, and how it can spoil other joy.  smile.gif
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If I were to ask you last season if you thought we would be title contenders this season, would you have said "yes"? Fact of the matter is that we've come a long way since then, and in such a short time I might add.

You speak of financial prowess and I agree but instead of inheriting an oil tycoon looking for a hobby, we have businessmen looking to build a profitable club. Is Man City or Chelsea profitable? Both clubs make losses each year despite winning titles. Can't remember the number if times I've repeated FSG's model for success. It isn't instant and it will take awhile but we are headed in the right direction. Already our wage bill has been reduced significantly, sponsorship deals have been signed, not just globally but regionally. Standard Chartered and Warrior are global sponsors but we also have sponsors specific to a country or region like Courts and Honda. This is a big improvement from the days of Gillet and Hicks. Are our owners not spending? Yes they are but not foolishly, not anymore at least. The willingness to pay top dollar for Suarez to stay is testament of this. It also sends a clear signal to the footballing world that if you're good enough, we will renumerate you. FSG won't pay premium prices, they've already said that unless it makes business sense. I agree with them completely on this because the last thing I'd want to see is the club accumulating massive debt again. Many I feel fail to really understand how close we were to administration. FSG's contracts are performance based. They didn't succumb to Sterling's demands and instead offered him a contract that motivates him to play well, instead of paying him in hope that he will.

As for being title contenders, it isn't Brendan's fault that the expectations of fans have been raised. He had first said that the goal this season was to improve over our league position over last season. I personally hoped for a top 6 finish but low and behold we found ourselves leading the league at one point, and this led to fans expecting us to challenge for the title. Was Brendan supposed to intentionally lose games to manage our expectations? No, we're adults with an understanding for the game and it is up to us to be realistic but sadly, I've noticed that expectations change literally every game which baffles me.

Like you I've been a fan for awhile now, since the 80's and I've seen the club decline over the years. Our mistake was closing our doors to the concept of globalisation, preferring instead to keep the club local and as a result we're years behind the likes of the mancs. FSG have embarked on a mission to correct this just 3 years ago and some fans are expecting us to suddenly compete with the likes of City or Chelsea financially. What? I do often wonder if these fans truely understand anything that happens off the pitch? Blaming the club out of ignorance is just plain stupid and I'm embarrassed to know that we have fans of that ilk despite proudly proclaiming to be the most knowledgeable fans in the world. FSG have been nothing but consistent with articulating their vision and the have so far delivered on everything they've said. Not their fault some fellas don't remember or understand what they've said they'd do.

If you compare our squad to our closest neighbours in the league table, we are punching above our weight. Players who have quote often been criticised are playing out of their skin. Pound for pound, our team sheet suggests that we don't belong in the top four. Last season we finished 28 points off the top with virtually the same squad, bar Mignolet and Sakho. Our current league position is testament of how much work Brendan has put in. I get the impression that some folk don't think about this. After all it's hard to take notice to what happens off the pitch if you don't even watch to see what's happening on it and you only look at the final score in the papers.

Are we title contender material? On paper, no, we are not but if anyone were to tell me we aren't playing like ones, I'd laugh in his face. The team has already shown improvement. Earlier in the season we would buckle in the second half of games. Now we're beginning to play well the whole game. We didn't get a result against City but we've played better than any other visiting team. This season we've scored more goals than anyone bar City. Sure, Suarez has played a massive part but we've also has 10 different goals scorers this season. How many clubs can say the same?

The problem is that there are fans who don't pay attention to the details because if they did, they'd note how far the club has come in the last 3 years.
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Dec 28 2013, 11:03 AM)
is it possible to get the goal and claim 1point?  hmm.gif
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post Dec 28 2013, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Dec 28 2013, 11:03 AM)
is it possible to get the goal and claim 1point?  hmm.gif
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Nope. Not unless if an angel fly out from my arse. If at all they wanted to do something about it, then it will be just to give you a comfort word of "I am sorry" and then you should move on.

Too bad. That's football. As Sepp said, human errors are part of the game. BS.

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 28 2013, 11:36 AM)
Nope. Not unless if an angel fly out from my arse. If at all they wanted to do something about it, then it will be just to give you a comfort word of "I am sorry" and then you should move on.

Too bad. That's football. As Sepp said, human errors are part of the game. BS.
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you'd love that, wouldn't u? angels flying out from ur arse lol tongue.gif

human error, to me it adds to the beauty of the game. on the other hand, can also be used to sabotage others shakehead.gif

btw been a little occupied lately. end of the year only can relax a bit biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Dec 28 2013, 11:36 AM)
Nope. Not unless if an angel fly out from my arse. If at all they wanted to do something about it, then it will be just to give you a comfort word of "I am sorry" and then you should move on.

Too bad. That's football. As Sepp said, human errors are part of the game. BS.
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Human error is part of the game, true and I accept, but still have to depend on the error, like the City game, that offside was totally insane, this one I really cannot accept because seem like that linesman purposely made that mistake to help City. If you talk about the goal line or penalty, then really, human not god, sometimes cannot see it clearly and we can't blame the ref, but come on Sterling was like 3-4 feet onside and the linesman was not standing on the straight line with the last defender and he dare to flag up, bravo to him.

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QUOTE(wadefak @ Dec 28 2013, 11:45 AM)
you'd love that, wouldn't u? angels flying out from ur arse lol tongue.gif

human error, to me it adds to the beauty of the game. on the other hand, can also be used to sabotage others  shakehead.gif

btw been a little occupied lately. end of the year only can relax a bit biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Dec 28 2013, 11:50 AM)
Human error is part of the game, true and I accept, but still have to depend on the error, like the City game, that offside was totally insane, this one I really cannot accept because seem like that linesman purposely made that mistake to help City. If you talk about the goal line or penalty, then really, human not god, sometimes cannot see it clearly and we can't blame the ref, but come on Sterling was like 3-4 feet onside and the linesman was not standing on the straight line with the last defender and he dare to flag up, bravo to him.
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Yup. So at most, they will just relegate the linesman or he takes care of less important games. Well, we pay the price for his mistake.
What to do? Unless football really embrace full-scale technology.
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Dec 28 2013, 11:50 AM)
Human error is part of the game, true and I accept, but still have to depend on the error, like the City game, that offside was totally insane, this one I really cannot accept because seem like that linesman purposely made that mistake to help City. If you talk about the goal line or penalty, then really, human not god, sometimes cannot see it clearly and we can't blame the ref, but come on Sterling was like 3-4 feet onside and the linesman was not standing on the straight line with the last defender and he dare to flag up, bravo to him.
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It's like I've said countless times, we need to look at the times decisions have gone our way as well. It all balances up in the end. Skrtel for example could have been penalised multiple times this season for shirt grabbing, the same offence some fans are up in arms over that Kompany committed.
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Dec 28 2013, 10:28 AM)
FA should be investigating who appointed a Manchester referee for Manchester City vs Liverpool game, this is much more crucial than anything, how can such a low class error can be made by FA which is more than hundreds years of history. Second thing is why the linesman can easily given an offside decision when he is standing behind the last defender? All these are really low class error. Now most of the games are not really won the team with their true strength, but referee helped them to win the game, if Sterling did not wrongly judge and the goal allowed, this whole game would be totally different. But I have to admit that our defender not really doing well especially Martin Skrtel, he should be standing in front Kompany to win the header, I really don't know why he used to stand behind the opponent and allow them to win the header. Look back to those game we have lost, most of the errors were from our defenders, especially Skrtel who used to give opponent the advantage to win the header!
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ya,might as well appoint Pelegrini as the referee.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 28 2013, 09:47 AM)
The manager is fighting at wrong end if keep on talking on referee decision.

Look forward.
No matter how, the goal won't be allowed, despite whatever evidence of proof.

Don't repeat what had happened on 2008.
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Everyone and their dogs could see the officials weren't at their best in the City match. That horrendous offside call was as bad as disallowing a legit goal. Maybe he's thinking ahead and trying to make sure it doesn't happen again - at least not in foreseeable future. or Maybe he's just thinking out loud and expressing what every Liverpool supporters felt that night. Maybe it's all mindgames and he's trying to divert the attention onto himself and ease the pressure off the team. Who knows what BR is really up to.
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True. It may even out at the end. But still, it is a football "killjoy".

I hate it just as much if we win via officials help. Well, we shall see how many errors they will make in the coming World Cup.

I guess the world has more and more perfectionists and we wont be able to tolerate mistakes that much soon.

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