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saitong09
post Dec 11 2016, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Dec 11 2016, 06:21 PM)
Well if you do this the effect of the sound will be gone. You won't be able to tell the different
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Too bad, how about Front Height + Front Wide?
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post Dec 11 2016, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 11 2016, 07:11 PM)
Are you talking about Dolby Atmos up-firing speaker modules? If yes, then understand that they don't work very well.
The correct way to implement height speakers is to have them as close to the ceiling as possible if in-ceiling speakers isn't an option for you. So of course, the height speakers MUST be placed higher than your surround speakers.
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No problem on the height, the problem is I have constrain to put my surround speaker down to the ear level which is below the atmos speaker sweat.gif
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post Dec 11 2016, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Dec 11 2016, 07:12 PM)
Too bad, how about Front Height + Front Wide?
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The same rules apply
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post Dec 11 2016, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Dec 11 2016, 07:15 PM)
No problem on the height, the problem is I have constrain to put my surround speaker down to the ear level which is below the atmos speakerĀ  sweat.gif
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Wait I don't understand... putting the surround speakers to ear-level is EXACTLY what Dolby recommends everyone to do in their setups. Not saying it's the best, but that's the correct guideline. So what's the problem?

What really matters most is that the height speakers MUST always be higher than your bed layer speakers by at least 6 ft., generally speaking. Of course different rooms, different measurements.


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post Dec 11 2016, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Dec 11 2016, 07:17 PM)
The same rules apply
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 11 2016, 07:26 PM)
Wait I don't understand... putting the surround speakers to ear-level is EXACTLY what Dolby recommends everyone to do in their setups. Not saying it's the best, but that's the correct guideline. So what's the problem?

What really matters most is that the height speakers MUST always be higher than your bed layer speakers by at least 6 ft., generally speaking. Of course different rooms, different measurements.
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In this case I might consider to move the surround to the back so that it can lower to the ear level smile.gif
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post Dec 11 2016, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Dec 11 2016, 07:30 PM)
In this case I might consider to move the surround to the back so that it can lower to the ear level smile.gif
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Where are you mounting your height speakers? On top of your current L/R surround but near the ceiling? It's difficult to give a recommendation if you don't list down your room dimensions.
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post Dec 11 2016, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 11 2016, 07:35 PM)
Where are you mounting your height speakers? On top of your current L/R surround but near the ceiling? It's difficult to give a recommendation if you don't list down your room dimensions.
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This is my current 5.1 surround placement, red box
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post Dec 11 2016, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Dec 11 2016, 07:44 PM)
This is my current 5.1 surround placement, red box
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I will think this is better option
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post Dec 11 2016, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Dec 11 2016, 07:44 PM)
This is my current 5.1 surround placement, red box
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Alright, your surrounds are too high and adding in the height speakers will have a negative effect on your overall system.

Is it impossible to place your surround speakers 5 ft. lower but remain at the same side positions? Rear placement for surround speakers can work, but you need to position them properly otherwise you may hear a gap between the front and sides during panning effects.
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post Dec 12 2016, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 9 2016, 07:21 PM)
To put it very simply, lobing refers to the issue where speakers of MTM design has an issue where woofers can cancel out one another causing dialog intelligibility to become an issue when the listener is sitting off axis (meaning not directly infront of the center speaker).

Not a big issue if you only have 1 MLP, but if you have a wide room and have many seats, you should choose a WTMW center speaker design or just buy a vertical bookshelf and use that as the center channel instead (of which then you would absolutely want to match it with your L/R speakers).

Angle adjustment is not a feature. You can just DIY yourself by buying a pack of door stoppers (if speaker feets are not an option) and get the exact angle you want for any kind of speaker.
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Lobing usually happened to TM. MTM Will not cause lobing , in fact , MTM eliminate those lobing.
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post Dec 12 2016, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 11 2016, 09:27 PM)
Alright, your surrounds are too high and adding in the height speakers will have a negative effect on your overall system.

Is it impossible to place your surround speakers 5 ft. lower but remain at the same side positions? Rear placement for surround speakers can work, but you need to position them properly otherwise you may hear a gap between the front and sides during panning effects.
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I can only lower down 1 side of the surround only, the other side wall very far away. How to position the surround at the back?
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QUOTE(fx20 @ Dec 12 2016, 09:47 AM)
Lobing usually happened to TM. MTM Will not cause lobing , in fact , MTM eliminate those lobing.
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TM is a 2-way bookshelf no? So of course, if you position it horizontally then lobing will occur.

MTM does not eliminate lobing issues - http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-des...evaluation.html

http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-des...asurements.html

See the difference between an MTM placed horizontally vs vertically?

Of course, not all MTM designs causes lobing issues. There are those like KEF Q series or ELAC Unifi series that places the tweeter ontop of the mid-range driver which minimizes the issue.


QUOTE(saitong09 @ Dec 12 2016, 12:30 PM)
I can only lower down 1 side of the surround only, the other side wall very far away. How to position the surround at the back?
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Is your surround monopole or dipole/bipole?

If monopole, just place it behind you, pointing directly forward. The distance between them, that you will have to measure out yourself because you didn't provide any info on your room dimensions or measurements.

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post Dec 12 2016, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Dec 11 2016, 07:44 PM)
This is my current 5.1 surround placement, red box
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if the red box is your surround, that means the setup is the old conventional 5.1 setup.
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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Dec 12 2016, 12:30 PM)
How to position the surround at the back?
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are you planning for 7.1?

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post Dec 12 2016, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 12 2016, 01:26 PM)
Is your surround monopole or dipole/bipole?

If monopole, just place it behind you, pointing directly forward. The distance between them, that you will have to measure out yourself because you didn't provide any info on your room dimensions or measurements.
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Monopole, my HT area 20ft long and 13ft wide. If add only front height speaker to my current setup, is that advantage for DTS-X sound?

QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 12 2016, 06:21 PM)
are you planning for 7.1?
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I'm planning for 5.1.4
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post Dec 12 2016, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Dec 12 2016, 06:37 PM)
Monopole, my HT area 20ft long and 13ft wide. If add only front height speaker to my current setup, is that advantage for DTS-X sound?
I'm planning for 5.1.4
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Height and over head is different sound effect so it won't really work
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post Dec 12 2016, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Dec 12 2016, 06:37 PM)
Monopole, my HT area 20ft long and 13ft wide. If add only front height speaker to my current setup, is that advantage for DTS-X sound?
I'm planning for 5.1.4
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That's quite a decent sized room. Just a pair of front heights will not be enough for height effects IMO, even if you hang bookshelfs with 6.5" drivers. You'll want all 4 to really have the immersive height sound in a room that size.

So far it seems to me your room situation is a bit complicated. You can put your monopoles to the back surround location, about 1 feet above ear level. Then see if you can have 2 front height speakers in front and 2 in the rear. It's not going to be optimal, but I think that's a decent solution without going into some minor renovation.
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post Dec 13 2016, 09:37 PM

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Not sure if here is the right forum re my issue. I have samsung home cinema system HT TX35R but my base speaker i think is broken down. Where can i go to fix this? Its over warranty
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post Dec 13 2016, 10:47 PM

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Oppo UDP-203 released
http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-udp-203/
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post Dec 14 2016, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Dec 13 2016, 10:47 PM)
CMY Sungei Wang Plaza will be having a "Launch Party" on 15th December 2016 (11 am to 4 pm) for Oppo UDP-203 4K UHD Player AND Ben-Q W11000 4K UHD Projector. Received WhatsApp invitation message from John Yew. Mmm... may have a "look see look see" if I am able to make it.

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