Mmm... I will wait for Oppo UDP-205D which I believe will come soon after UDP-203.

UDP-203... next UDP-203D... next UDP-205 and then UDP-205D ?

For those who wants Darbee incorporated into the Oppo, then don't pull the trigger so fast. I believe Oppo will soon add in Darbee into their Oppo 4K Players.

http://www.darbeevision.com/4k-samples/

Normally Oppo doesn't increase the prices but maybe it will increase for their 4K Players. With our RM value drowning in the ocean, it will be more expensive for us and won't be easy for many just to buy UDP-203 !! Malaysia Boleh... "turun lagi teruk"

This post has been edited by jamesleetech: Dec 2 2016, 06:59 PM

actually just a generic question ah.....dont marah me ok

for Darbee setting...do you all use alot?

for me...after the projector calibration...the Darbee is used about 5%....

what about u guys?

I guess UDP-203 --> UDP-205 --> UDP-203D --> UDP-205D
Heard the price for UDP-203 is about the same like UDP-103D

A reasonable question so nothing to marah loh.

My personal opinion is to use Darbee set to as low as possible because using too high setting such as over 20% will not improve and will even make it worse !!

Just like a very blur photo, no matter how good I am in sharpening it using different tools in Photoshop, I just cannot retouch the tiny pixels to make it perfectly sharpened. What is worse is that distortion with black shadows and jagged edges will show at high settings. Even the video will appear very grainy too. Also, whenever any sharpening is done to the video, the picture will become a bit harsh and looses its smoothness. What Darbee can only do is reduce or minimise such bad effects due to the sharpening done to the video BUT, no matter how good is ANY such Video Processing tools, excessive sharpening will never be good.

The Oppo Darbee setting has a maximum of 120%. Using 5% is a reasonable amount of sharpening but this depend on your TV/Projector screen size. Just use the minimum that your eyes tell you that is the right amount of sharpening.

You should know that there ARE many many people that do NOT even want any sharpening done to the original video so most (maybe all) of us usually set the TV own internal "Sharpening" to ZERO. What is different for Darbee is that it uses its own proprietory method of "sharpening" that is far better than the TV own internal sharpening. Darbee can do a reasonable job of sharpening without causing grain appearing and reduced edge jaggies with minimal black shadow at the edges BUT.... even Darbee CAN cause problems if set too high.

My Oppo 105D have 3 settings for HDMI 1 which I can preset for use on different types of video sources. I didn't touch Setting 1 and 2 which have the Darbee set to OFF. My Setting 3 have Darbee set to 10%. I don't use Darbee at all for my bluray videos. I only use Darbee at 10% for watching HD MKV videos.

You may ask... I don't use Darbee so why did I buy Oppo 105D ? Two reasons... jailbreak don't work properly on Oppo 105, AND Oppo 105 is no longer sold at the time when I upgraded from Oppo 95.

Actually I did buy Oppo 105 display unit together with the jailbreak in USB flashdrive at a very special low price BUT... many of my SACD discs with Multichannel 5.1 become Stereo only. Cinavia still appeared on some bluray movies (ssh!!). Worse is when this player sometimes can hang on actual genuine 3D blurays. I returned it and exchanged it for the Oppo 105D... so far no problems loh.

When Oppo UDP-205 is released, I am actually interested to buy it without Darbee BUT I fear that any Jailbreak may again have problems so if that is the case, then I have no choice in getting UDP-205D loh.

If anyone is to ask me whether I will buy the external DarbeeVision DVP-5000 Darblet HDMI Video Processor... my answer is NO.

Anyway, I believe different people with Darbee will use different percentages. In my personal opinion, just set to the right small amount that you see is okay without causing the video to appear too artificial and without too much "bad effects". Oh... settings for me? I just turn Darbee off most of the time for blurays BUT.... I do set to 10% rarely. For HD MKV videos, its 10% always. My Dune Solo 4K media player don't have Darbee but I think it may not help for 4K videos which are already very sharp and detailed on my 55 inch TV.

As long as you feel that 5% is okay for your TV/Projector, then don't change it.



This post has been edited by jamesleetech: Dec 2 2016, 09:23 PM

Remember... not for Bolehland... maybe you are right BUT it will be difficult for me to believe that the price will be the about the same here loh.

jamesleetech yah....i can see the grain quite bad if i set it higher than 8%....
at 5% for me is a balance of sharpening but not too much...

the grain is probably also bcoz I zoom my projector alot due to screen size....

Mine set to 15% after calibrated

lol, let's wait for the official launch and price in Malaysia
Lot of ppl waiting for their X'Mas gift

Enjoy....

Oppo UDP-203 4K UHD Blu-ray player YouTube Video

CEDIA 2016 Coverage - Oppo UDP-203 Ultra HD Blu-ray Player YouTube Video

This post has been edited by jamesleetech: Dec 3 2016, 08:15 PM

Nice

Today audition oppo BDP-103D for music, hdmi sound better than RCA.. Unbelievable

Depend how the connection to what hardware

mean the cable +outside dac (hdmi avr) combination able to perform well

HDMI, AES, Co-Axial, Optical are Digital Connections.
RCA (Interconnect) and XLR are Analog Connections.

Remember, different DACs used for the decoding for the Oppo 103D and also for the AVR makes it even more difficult to compare whether HDMI or RCA sounds better. When set to "Bitstream", its the connected AVR DAC that decodes the audio. I am not sure whether the Oppo internal DAC decodes the audio when its Oppo Pre-Outs are used.

Try audition BDP-105D using XLR Stereo Output by playing CD or SACD and see whether you can get poisoned or not, hehehe.

For a more reliable comparison between HDMI and RCA, audition Oppo BDP-103D using these methods...

1) Bring your own CD and Blurays (preferably 1 Concert and 1 Movie Bluray) that you already know the character. Yes, you should also want to know Oppo 103D musicality by playing Stereo CD and Multi-channel Concert Bluray... and then find out how good is the Bluray movie sound experience. For this... each same discs, test with HDMI and 7 channel Pre-out from Oppo 103D to the same AVR Amplifier (which also have Multi-Channel Pre-In).

2) Audition using the same system... same speakers, same amplifiers, same player, etc. Just switch between HDMI and RCA. If they used Oppo 103D HDMI out to an AVR (example Denon X4000) and Oppo 103D RCA Pre-Out to ANOTHER Stereo Amplifier, then it will NOT be a good comparison.

3) Use all cable connections from the same brand and range. Example... DH Labs RCA and DH Labs XLR.

Then only will it be fairly equal to your own ears and its your own ears that decide. Therefore, I won't say which is better, HDMI or RCA because I don't have your ears !!

Many times I somehow always felt that different source recordings go with different connections. Concert blurays go with Digital HDMI, then Vinyl LPs go with analogue Turntable and then the DSD Audio files to DAC using XLR, etc

Of course, do bear in mind that different hardware used between HDMI and RCA will always have different sound quality so which is better just cannot be clearly defined. Example... for my Oppo 105D, I play a CD using HDMI to my AV Pre-Amp and then compare the same CD using XLR Stereo out to my external DAC... and you will change your opinion on whether HDMI or XLR or RCA is the best. I will just say that its difficult to say which connection is better... what I can only say is that each sounds "different" and suitable for different types of source, hehehe.

For comparison between Co-Axial and Optical connections.... looooong debates will never end.

This post has been edited by jamesleetech: Dec 4 2016, 03:26 PM

Will be a while before there will be a Darbee 4k implementation with Oppo.



I'm not on a projector, but on an OLED. Darbee can actually make things look worse on it, even at a very low %. All depends on the source really. But it's inconsistent enough that I just couldn't be arsed about turning it on and off every time.

This is more so with 4k sources. Since the 4k Darbee algorithm has not yet been finalized, I don't expect this to change too soon.

Tested on method 2, same player, same avr, same speaker but forgot to check the hdmi and RCA. But both is Chord brand
3 of us there included the shop boss, the boss also noticed that. He told us might be config or technical issue but we were in the rush so didn't look into it
My target is UDP-203, heard this player will be using high end AKM DAC

For people who wants it, then yes, it will take a longer time to wait for Darbee 4K.

Actually, Darbee is not my priority and not important for me. What I would want is a jailbreak that works without problems. I believe when UDP-205D is released, any newer jailbreaks will not work for UDP-205 anymore and which is why I would prefer the UDP-205D.

As it is now, even for BDP-105D, the latest JB was for the November 2015 official firmware. No newer JB eventhough another new official firmware was released in August 2016 and another beta one in November 2016. Rumours says that newer JBs for 103D and 105D will no longer be released as the direction moves to the new UDP units.

Anyway, at the present time, all such talk on JB will only be an incomplete one because I believe that AACS 2.0 hasn't been broken yet. Hehehe... when I purchased any UHD blurays in the future, I can't even archive them as ISOs to my harddisk ! In that sense, JB to break such protection may never come so I guess its just my fantasy and no longer relevant for UHD blurays! Gosh... just think about huge disk space used for the UHD bluray that averages around 180GB per movie!

This post has been edited by jamesleetech: Dec 5 2016, 05:10 PM

Well unfortunately, the future of digital media is a compressed digital medium - streaming. The age of compression for everything is very near.

Sad reality, but it's the truth.
It will come to a point where P2P groups will just give up and go for an alternative.

Time to start buying BD more

I'm streaming all movies from NAS. Is the JB affecting network streaming and USB?
Any user here with non-JB version of Oppo BDP-103D can share the experience with network streaming or USB playback?