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post Feb 14 2014, 01:45 AM

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 13 2014, 11:20 PM)
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last question of the day tomorrow i will go purchase my inverter lolz
my room is 12 feet x 12 feet x 11 feet ceiling height,
room facing north, 2 adults in the room... is that 1HP is good enough? i dont want asked shop they sure said 1.5hp better cause the can earn more...
im asking them for the calculation non of them can proof that...
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You better think carefully 1st.

For sure of your room size = 3.6m x 3.6m x 3.2m H and height does not so an issue.

The 1st thing if you die die for go Panasonic non inverter, then I would said you better go for 1.5hp.

I had it experience to switch from inverter between a year and totally trade the unit for top up an installation fee only.

Regarding the any single 1hp inverter really can be support your room size more than 3.6m to 4m x 4m wide.
Due to inverter really from any user claims as 24-25c is the actual set point as deg of temp.

If you really when to 1.5hp inverter but don't talk to the daikin inverter still using old technology were R22 gas lah, that is also not really cold enough for you, causes friend still using it of 1hp daikin R22 gas inverter he also said to me if really wanna play with inverter must be try to get the latest one on running gas R410a to be save in future.

So my conclusion is you go for any inverter brand as : 1hp inverter but come in specs as used R410a Gas only, that is really cold for you and really power saver.

Sorry here : (Unless you are the really fat body and really won't feel that are airconds cooling to suit for you and really needed to more horse power to be support like very old Ads from Carrer brand and Sumo bigger size and sit on below the airconds vent then would be feels cold enough)

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 14 2014, 01:45 AM)
You better think carefully 1st.

For sure of your room size = 3.6m x 3.6m x 3.2m H and height does not so an issue.

The 1st thing if you die die for go Panasonic non inverter, then I would said you better go for 1.5hp.

I had it experience to switch from inverter between a year and totally trade the unit for top up an installation fee only.

Regarding the any single 1hp inverter really can be support your room size more than 3.6m to 4m x 4m wide.
Due to inverter really from any user claims as 24-25c is the actual set point as deg of temp.

If you really when to 1.5hp inverter but don't talk to the daikin inverter still using old technology were R22 gas lah, that is also not really cold enough for you, causes friend still using it of 1hp daikin R22 gas inverter he also said to me if really wanna play with inverter must be try to get the latest one on running gas R410a to be save in future.

So my conclusion is you go for any inverter brand as : 1hp inverter but come in specs as used R410a Gas only, that is really cold for you and really power saver.

Sorry here : (Unless you are the really fat body and really won't feel that are airconds cooling to suit for you and really needed to more horse power to be support like very old Ads from Carrer brand and Sumo bigger size and sit on below the airconds vent then would be feels cold enough)
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oh... cut it short means 1 HP is okay for my room size? and yes im very sure of the room size... and yes im going to use R410a instead of R22


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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 14 2014, 08:04 AM)
oh... cut it short means 1 HP is okay for my room size?  and yes im very sure of the room size... and yes im going to use R410a instead of R22
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I'm not sure my wife kampung house slightly bigger than your and installed York inverter 1hp only.

Still can feels the confirt level as my sleeping, regarding the house all be the wooded house can be keep more warm than bricks.

Here is my installed before my wife was given birth of my 2nd baby, is around 1.5 yrs already.
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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 13 2014, 11:20 PM)
Thanks PJusa =)

last question of the day tomorrow i will go purchase my inverter lolz
my room is 12 feet x 12 feet x 11 feet ceiling height,
room facing north, 2 adults in the room... is that 1HP is good enough? i dont want asked shop they sure said 1.5hp better cause the can earn more...
im asking them for the calculation non of them can proof that...
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Use google to search for BTU input. Some site have easy input and get the result immediately.

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Hi all,

I'm looking for an air cond for my bedroom.

Since I'm staying at flat, few thing need to be done:
1) no electric point for air cond. Do inverter need different type of electric point?
2) not using sliding windows, installer need to cut the windows steel bar.
3) no balcony to put the compressor (outside wall 9th floor above ground).

As the compressor going to be near my bedroom windows, I'm looking for quiet compressor (Mitsubishi is my option right now).

I have been offer RM1599 for MSY-GJ10VA complete with standard installation (10 feet cobbler hose, 10 feet wiring to electric point). Is the price reasonable?

Can anybody suggest good installer and estimated cost for above activity?

Thanks.


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post Feb 14 2014, 09:18 AM

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anyone from kajang, and any recommendation on which shop / installer buy from? looking for York or Daikin
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post Feb 14 2014, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(syafu @ Feb 14 2014, 09:08 AM)
Hi all,

I'm looking for an air cond for my bedroom.

Since I'm staying at flat, few thing need to be done:
1) no electric point for air cond. Do inverter need different type of electric point?
2) not using sliding windows, installer need to cut the windows steel bar.
3) no balcony to put the compressor (outside wall 9th floor above ground).

As the compressor going to be near my bedroom windows, I'm looking for quiet compressor (Mitsubishi is my option right now).

I have been offer RM1599 for MSY-GJ10VA complete with standard installation (10 feet cobbler hose, 10 feet wiring to electric point). Is the price reasonable?

Can anybody suggest good installer and estimated cost for above activity?

Thanks.
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I notice Inverter compressor sounded different from non-Inverter. Anyone noticed that?

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Feb 14 2014, 09:44 AM)
I notice Inverter compressor sounded different from non-Inverter. Anyone noticed that?
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What is ur model?

To compare mine and my neighbor used Daikin non inverter really noisy and installed newer than mine.

If you want hear I can record down brows.gif
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post Feb 14 2014, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 14 2014, 09:50 AM)
What is ur model?

To compare mine and my neighbor used Daikin non inverter really noisy and installed newer than mine.

If you want hear I can record down brows.gif
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I am not talking about loudness. I am talking about the tone being different.

The tone of Inverter compresser sounded more like jet engine.
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Feb 14 2014, 09:52 AM)
I am not talking about loudness. I am talking about the tone being different.

The tone of Inverter compresser sounded more like jet engine.
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Lol jet meant when starter boot up right?
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post Feb 14 2014, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 14 2014, 09:54 AM)
Lol jet meant when starter boot up right?
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I notice "inverter" or partial load starts coming in after 15 minutes switching on. Once it did that, I notice the TONE of the compressor changes to sound more like jet engine.

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Feb 14 2014, 09:57 AM)
I notice "inverter" or partial load starts coming in after 15 minutes switching on. Once it did that, I notice the TONE of the compressor changes to sound more like jet engine.
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For sure this is normal to booting up with full load ma.
After that were going down to variable runs.

That why power saver
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post Feb 14 2014, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(syafu @ Feb 14 2014, 09:08 AM)
Hi all,

I'm looking for an air cond for my bedroom.

Since I'm staying at flat, few thing need to be done:
1) no electric point for air cond. Do inverter need different type of electric point?
2) not using sliding windows, installer need to cut the windows steel bar.
3) no balcony to put the compressor (outside wall 9th floor above ground).

As the compressor going to be near my bedroom windows, I'm looking for quiet compressor (Mitsubishi is my option right now).

I have been offer RM1599 for MSY-GJ10VA complete with standard installation (10 feet cobbler hose, 10 feet wiring to electric point). Is the price reasonable?

Can anybody suggest good installer and estimated cost for above activity?

Thanks.
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Air cond must lay new cable, regardless of inverter or non inverter. Don't ever compromise on this. But upgrading single phase to 3 phase is not a must, as long as those heavy power consumption appliance you have dedicated socket/wire laid.
The main TNB incoming cable can support up to 50-60A but not inside the house and have to see quality of the wires used during construction.
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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 13 2014, 11:20 PM)
Thanks PJusa =)

last question of the day tomorrow i will go purchase my inverter lolz
my room is 12 feet x 12 feet x 11 feet ceiling height,
room facing north, 2 adults in the room... is that 1HP is good enough? i dont want asked shop they sure said 1.5hp better cause the can earn more...
im asking them for the calculation non of them can proof that...
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it totally depends. desired temperature, kind of windows (draft!), tinting, color of wall outside, what kind of ceiling do you have (insulated or not, plaster ceiling or panels etc).

i have a similar sized room and am running a 1HP without problems. i can also run a 1 HP in low low load in my bedroom (14x17x11) at 27 in the night and 29 during the day without issues. but we have spend money on insulation. if you have regular windows w/o tint and want to cool the room to 25° on hot days you might have a problem. you will to evaluate your personal room situation first (how hot does it get etc.) and ideal condition first before you decide on the proper size. the normal calculation is a rule of thumb which doesnt apply to everyone or better most ppl. each situation is different.
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QUOTE(PJusa @ Feb 14 2014, 10:53 AM)
it totally depends. desired temperature, kind of windows (draft!), tinting, color of wall outside, what kind of ceiling do you have (insulated or not, plaster ceiling or panels etc).

i have a similar sized room and am running a 1HP without problems. i can also run a 1 HP in low low load in my bedroom (14x17x11) at 27 in the night and 29 during the day without issues. but we have spend money on insulation. if you have regular windows w/o tint and want to cool the room to 25° on hot days you might have a problem. you will to evaluate your personal room situation first (how hot does it get etc.) and ideal condition first before you decide on the proper size. the normal calculation is a rule of thumb which doesnt apply to everyone or better most ppl. each situation is different.
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thanks for the feed back now i know what i need haha...

oh ya normally the shop quoted the price with installation c/w 10m copper pipe...

but not included the insulation is that norm way ?

and the power point is not included as well as the wiring from the compressor to power switch
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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 14 2014, 10:56 AM)
thanks for the feed back now i know what i need haha...

oh ya normally the shop quoted the price with installation c/w 10m copper pipe...

but not included the insulation is that norm way ?

and the power point is not included as well as the wiring from the compressor to power switch
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How come no rubber insulation come with?
How bout bracket?
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ya include bracket... power point not included as well...

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 14 2014, 12:14 PM)
ya include bracket... power point not included as well...
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Usually power point is extra charge or you buy 3pin round one type for them.
As long as they can pull from nearest power point, but not really safe.

But insolation really cheap for each size at 1m long.
Please add insolation for solution to solve water marks.

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 14 2014, 10:56 AM)
thanks for the feed back now i know what i need haha...

oh ya normally the shop quoted the price with installation c/w 10m copper pipe...

but not included the insulation is that norm way ?

and the power point is not included as well as the wiring from the compressor to power switch
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Very obvious that this installer wants to con you.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 14 2014, 12:51 PM)
Very obvious that this installer wants to con you.
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what is the normally installing an air cond included?


1) installing compressor and blower
2) the copper pipe joining from compressor to blower with insulation
3) outlet pvc pipe ( water dripping from blower )
4) power cable from compressor to nearest power point/ power socket included the surface mount casing
5) switcher to on and off the air cond


am i right the standard procedure normally the aircond man will do above?

only things would be extra charges is

1)concealed the copper pipe
2)concealed the power cable


am i correct?

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