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post Feb 14 2014, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 14 2014, 01:13 PM)
what is the normally installing an air cond included?
1) installing compressor and blower
2) the copper pipe joining from compressor to blower with insulation
3) outlet pvc pipe ( water dripping from blower )
4) power cable from compressor to nearest power point/ power socket included the surface mount casing
5) switcher to on and off the air cond
am i right the standard procedure normally the aircond man will do above?

only things would be extra charges is

1)concealed the copper pipe
2)concealed the power cable
am i correct?
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1,2,3 is the standard job.
4,5 should be done during main renovation work, as it may need hacking job.
If you do the wiring now, the installer may just tap wire from 1 of your socket points which is quite dangerous on long run.
For me, I don't really like concealed piping as when problem happens, you have more headache.
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post Feb 14 2014, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 14 2014, 01:21 PM)
1,2,3 is the standard job.
4,5 should be done during main renovation work, as it may need hacking job.
If you do the wiring now, the installer may just tap wire from 1 of your socket points which is quite dangerous on long run.
For me, I don't really like concealed piping as when problem happens, you have more headache.
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thanks for your reply... the room is ready as it were... im not going to concealed the wiring...

is that item 4 & 5 is additional cost?
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post Feb 14 2014, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 14 2014, 01:45 PM)
thanks for your reply... the room is ready as it were... im not going to concealed the wiring...

is that item 4 & 5 is additional cost?
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Laying new cable sure need to pay extra.
With such hot climate, when doing renovation, make sure every room have an air cond point.
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post Feb 14 2014, 02:27 PM

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normally they will do the entire thing cabling, insulation, piping (10 ft), bracket, setup & testing. the only (!) thing they dont do is the power cable from your DB box. either provide a blank wire (conceiled or otherwise) or a free power point to connect to.

little advise: keep the copper piping as short as possible for optimum performance and if you can talk to the installer, ask them to do two layers of the insulation. the foam is cheap. i always do back to back installation and ask them to insulate each pipe individually with double wrap.
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post Feb 14 2014, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 14 2014, 10:17 AM)
Air cond must lay new cable, regardless of inverter or non inverter. Don't ever compromise on this. But upgrading single phase to 3 phase is not a must, as long as those heavy power consumption appliance you have dedicated socket/wire laid.
The main TNB incoming cable can support up to 50-60A but not inside the house and have to see quality of the wires used during construction.
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Does the new cable laid from DB or from nearest electric point?
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post Feb 14 2014, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(syafu @ Feb 14 2014, 03:49 PM)
Does the new cable laid from DB or from nearest electric point?
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most of the time nearest power point..

actually its quite easy if air cond cable is similar to normal our lighting/ ceiling fan cable running...

cause my room fan i install myself including the cabling lolz
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post Feb 14 2014, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 14 2014, 03:51 PM)
most of the time nearest power point..

actually its quite easy if air cond cable is similar to normal our lighting/  ceiling fan cable running...

cause my room fan i install myself including the cabling lolz
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If the intention of putting extra points for small load equipment, is ok to tap on the nearest point (in their term is called looping). But if you intend to use it for A/C or water heater, need to run direct from the DB box.
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post Feb 14 2014, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 14 2014, 04:04 PM)
If the intention of putting extra points for small load equipment, is ok to tap on the nearest point (in their term is called looping). But if you intend to use it for A/C or water heater, need to run direct from the DB box.
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not really, as long as u identify is the load for the point MCB for over or not...
if not u are safe to use...
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post Feb 14 2014, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 14 2014, 04:20 PM)
not really, as long as u identify is the load for the point MCB for over or not...
if not u are safe to use...
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You never know, especially after sometime, people forgot about it and plug in an hair dryer to dry the hair, while switching on the A/C. And MCB do fail time to time. Very common I see a bedroom with one MCB use and is tap for A/C and use with hair dryer. And some Powerful hair dryer can go up to 2000Watt
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post Feb 14 2014, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 14 2014, 04:25 PM)
You never know, especially after sometime, people forgot about it and plug in an hair dryer to dry the hair, while switching on the A/C. And MCB do fail time to time. Very common I see a bedroom with one MCB use and is tap for A/C and use with hair dryer. And some Powerful hair dryer can go up to 2000Watt
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agree with u =)

i do the calculation already for the MCB will be using for my air cond... the 16A MCB only cater for my Ceiling fan and 1 Power Outlet, which i intend to change the power outlet to air cond outlet which means the MCB only cater for my air cond and a ceiling fan =)

shouldnt be any problem

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post Feb 14 2014, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 14 2014, 04:28 PM)
agree with u =)

i do the calculation already for the MCB will be using for my air cond... the 16A MCB only cater for my Ceiling fan and 1 Power Outlet, which i intend to change the power outlet to air cond outlet which means the MCB only cater for my air cond and a ceiling fan =)

shouldnt be any problem
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meaning to say if power point MCB cannot support the load, need to add new MCB for air cond?
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QUOTE(syafu @ Feb 14 2014, 04:38 PM)
meaning to say if power point MCB cannot support the load, need to add new MCB for air cond?
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New MCB and independent wires to the a/c unit.
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post Feb 14 2014, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(syafu @ Feb 14 2014, 04:38 PM)
meaning to say if power point MCB cannot support the load, need to add new MCB for air cond?
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http://www.actewagl.com.au/About-us/The-Ac...l-circuits.aspx



some reading to understand =)
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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 14 2014, 05:02 PM)
Usually this electrical works to be left for wire man job.


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post Feb 14 2014, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 14 2014, 05:07 PM)
Usually this electrical works to be left for wire man job.
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well if you understand this, u may do it... but take note u die dont blame me... lolz my home socket and fan installed by myself lolz...

very easy actually.
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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 14 2014, 05:11 PM)
well if you understand this, u may do it... but take note u die dont blame me... lolz my home socket and fan installed by myself lolz...

very easy actually.
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Last time when my house after get key and only marking where I need for aircond points, lighting points, water heater points, exhaust fan points and add few more power points all tap from MSB Leh.
Even wiring for aircond they also explain why I used use it bigger size of wire.
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post Feb 14 2014, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 14 2014, 05:11 PM)
well if you understand this, u may do it... but take note u die dont blame me... lolz my home socket and fan installed by myself lolz...

very easy actually.
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If i die cannot blame oredi.. oredi 8 feet under ground. smile.gif
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post Feb 14 2014, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 14 2014, 05:18 PM)
Last time when my house after get key and only marking where I need for aircond points, lighting points, water heater points, exhaust fan points and add few more power points all tap from MSB Leh.
Even wiring for aircond they also explain why I used use it bigger size of wire.
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Ya... normally i will go for 2.5mm cable or go wiring shop ask them what is the recommended wiring... sometimes pay more it is ok... since is ur own home...


QUOTE(syafu @ Feb 14 2014, 05:19 PM)
If i die cannot blame oredi.. oredi 8 feet under ground.  smile.gif
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lolz... i mean dont ask ur family sue me >.<
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post Feb 14 2014, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(syafu @ Feb 14 2014, 03:49 PM)
Does the new cable laid from DB or from nearest electric point?
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Shall be from DB for safety reason, unless you know the plug point wire they used is high quality type.
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Sound like here really owner to self DIY...

Inb4 all job is belong to aircond man, wireman, electrical man and alarm man jobs

This post has been edited by kimsim: Feb 14 2014, 06:08 PM

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